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Cyclic
    #18923297 - 10/02/13 08:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'd like to start a convo.... if I may be so bold... about why peace and love can't ever seem to win... and why humans refuse to learn from past mistakes globally.

First off... I'm 23... I've always been better than everyone my age intellectually.... and always sound arrogant to more aged veterans who seem to have experienced everything I have... and every attempt for those more intellectually advanced to "show me the light" have been blocked by my impervious ability to out logic any ideology that comes into play. So I will admit... before going further.... I probably have some underlying self-esteem issues that... coupled with my intelligence beyond my years... lead me in my own self-perpetuating cycle of SUPER intelligence.... and SUPER stupidity. I suppose I feel like I have "smarts" beyond my information in my head.

Basically what I'm saying... is I'm sorry if I sound like a douche bag... I can't help it. But I do care more about your guys' opinions than you will ever care about mine... so you win by default. Congratulations. Lol.




Now.... here's whats been troubling my mind lately... this cycle.

Anarchy leads to revolution.... revolution leads to democracy.... democracy leads to compromise... compromise leads to socialism... socialism leads to anarchy.

I mainly speak of the united states... for being an American... I know only about.... America.... lol. But it shows itself to vividly as my country is showing the signs of freedom turning to socialism.

Why can't our chaos be kept in line with peace love and goodwill?

Why is that such a difficult thing to ask of humanity?




I believe it is because we are all selfish. And when we fall in love.... our selfishness... turns to selfish for the one we love and ourself.... then we have kids... and our selfishness goes to our kids. We work hard for our families. We submit for our families. We "grow up" for our families.

Those of us without families... who strive to find philosophy... find Anarchy the only answer.... because we refuse to be selfish... but physically can't stop ourselves?

Why can no one care about random people more than themselves? Or the entire human race....

In movies people give their lives all the time to save the extinction of the race.... I like to believe under that grave circumstance people would give their lives...

But where else? Where else do we go outside our own bubble? Truly.

I give money to the poor... I'll help an old lady with her groceries...

But am I really taking my own pleasures out of the equation? Or does it just make me feel good to help others?

I truly believe this part.... and I know its going to sound left-wing nutjob kind of thing....

The human race has a flaw.... and that flaw is selfishness.... and even when I realize it's there.... I can't stop it. I can't. Unless I have kids.... then its just there in another form.

I've come close to losing my mind a few times pondering these ideals...

Ways to fix it...

But how can I fix the world... if I can't even fix myself?

I've been told to find god.... but really.... god is just a common ground for us to replace out selfishness with. Something to strive for when we die... its still being selfish to believe in god. To hope there's a bigger role.

Why can't our common ground be... that we need no common ground?

I'll end with two lines I love the most...

Come together... right now.... over me. - Beatles


Cogito Ergo Sum  - Descartes


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Re: Cyclic [Re: MuffinShroomMan]
    #18923389 - 10/02/13 09:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Anarchy leads to revolution.... revolution leads to democracy.... democracy leads to compromise... compromise leads to socialism... socialism leads to anarchy.




Are you certain of this cycle? How many iterations have you observed?


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Re: Cyclic [Re: DisoRDeR]
    #18923447 - 10/02/13 09:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Anarchy leads to revolution.... revolution leads to democracy.... democracy leads to compromise... compromise leads to socialism... socialism leads to anarchy.




Are you certain of this cycle? How many iterations have you observed?





I suppose I'm not certain... What does that mean? Am I wrong? Is that not the cycle?

I feel like greed will always overcome... you know? Why must my father slave like a beast to keep everything in check? To what avail? He's 49 now... probably going to die in a few years... smartest man I know... and he has nothing. I mean... he has a house... a new truck... wife has a new car... he has everything.... but what does he really have? 10 hour days? 6 days a week? 2 hour commute.

What hope do I have if a better man than me can't make it?

What do I strive for?

This life is just wasted unless high. Everyone looks at me as lost potential... WHAT FUCKING POTENTIAL? What can I do??? HOW can I change the world if I can't fix myself?


I truly feel this feeling... deep in me... I can't even describe it... when I listen to music... when I read of phiosophy.... I feel like I have the answer... but every time I try to utter it... im shot down by SOMEone.

There MUST be an answer.... there MUST be some perfect collection of words... that will tear the binds of our cultures... create perfect harmony... create a life worth living... for itself. I dont know... I'm lost.

I don't even know what I'm talking about anymore... I go back and forth between my ideology and my personal strafes... I'm so egotistical and I can't stop it.


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Re: Cyclic [Re: MuffinShroomMan]
    #18923508 - 10/02/13 09:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'm sorry if I ramble on... I go off topic way too easily.


I have a skill... I can tell what people are thinking...

Now bare with me...

By saying a certain phrase... or asking a series of questions... or observing an individual... you can find out their ulterior motives... for everything.

And the moment you bring that thing to the service... they use a beautiful diversion to hide it... they cry. And the way I know it is a diversion... is they cry for the wrong thing. This barrier that stops a fake person from being real...

They lie to THEMSELVES. Its incredible. I have found... that every person I've picked apart... including my own father... is FAKE. It blows my god damn mind every time I do it.

But here's the kicker.... every person I've proven to be fake... HASNT CHANGED. They just smile like they are caught and CONTINUE doing it. I don't fucking get it. If you are PROVEN fake... you STOP. Logically that is sound.


I believe the way to bring peace and love is through education.... and I believe education is only retained when education is sought...

So how can I stop someone from being fake... if they 1. dont know they are fake... and 2. dont want to change.



Edit:

Just looking to talk really. Any thoughts about anything are welcome. The main focus is world peace here. How can it be obtained. Lets brainstorm ideas even if we know its impossible.


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Re: Cyclic [Re: MuffinShroomMan]
    #18923729 - 10/02/13 10:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Putting aside my previous question for a moment...

I can relate to some of what you're saying.  I'm sure in the eyes of many I'm a big bag of wasted potential as well.  I think there are plenty of 'too smart for their own good' people around here who fell off the mainstream culture-wagon and are rather disappointed with the world.  Welcome. 


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If you are PROVEN fake... you STOP. Logically that is sound.




It is sound only if the person proven fake values being genuine above all else.  If they value other things then other behaviours can be expected. 

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I suppose I'm not certain... What does that mean? Am I wrong? Is that not the cycle?




It may be a possible cycle, but you've created a strange linkage there.  There are obviously alternatives and gradations to that process.  If there weren't, then every power structure in the world could easily be placed at a point in the cycle.

Revolution is a change in political structure, and since I know of no surviving anarchic societies I won't argue about the first stage in your cycle (anarchy -> revolution).

Revolutions have resulted in non-democratic societies though, so the next linkage (revolution -> democracy) is a fail.

Democracy leads to compromise?  I don't know what this means.  Compromise was present since the first two humans made a deal.

To say that compromise leads to socialism and socialism leads to anarchy is to paint with rather broad strokes.  I don't really know what you're talking about at this point.  Compromise has led to fat-free yogurt and low-quality chinese lawnmowers. 

Show me where socialism has led to anarchy.


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Re: Cyclic [Re: DisoRDeR]
    #18923749 - 10/02/13 10:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Let me try to explain my erratic thoughts...

When I say democracy... I kind of mean ... a grouping of people. So a society being formed to be strong. They start off to guard themselves... and welcome others with the promise of safety... and the compromises would be slowly taking more and more of their people... until the structure turns from strong and safe... to strong and controlled. The control goes beyond the strength... and the anarchy begins.

I suppose saying democracy and socialism was too broad...

Can you help me reword it? There's definitely something there...


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Re: Cyclic [Re: MuffinShroomMan]
    #18923759 - 10/02/13 10:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not very good with forum quotes and what not...

But thank you for welcoming me into non-mainstream culture. I've been here a while... just figuring it out myself you know? Gotten to the point where I crave direction... as well as knowledge...  I need to get back into college to get more info in my head. Trying to learn on your own has its benefits... but definitely has its limits.

Sure does suck you cant fix people... I cant grasp why they would want to lie over telling the truth. Especially when they are found out. Its like they want a story to be told instead of the real them.


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Re: Cyclic [Re: MuffinShroomMan]
    #18923925 - 10/02/13 11:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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why peace and love can't ever seem to win




Direct answer please with no quibbling. If humans were not extremely violent and aggressive creatures do you think you would be alive today?


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    #18923941 - 10/02/13 11:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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why peace and love can't ever seem to win




Direct answer please with no quibbling. If humans were not extremely violent and aggressive creatures do you think you would be alive today?




No I don't. I guess a good virus is an aggressive one.


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Re: Cyclic [Re: MuffinShroomMan]
    #18923983 - 10/02/13 11:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Well then, your question about peace and love has been answered. :mypleasure:


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Re: Cyclic [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18924005 - 10/02/13 11:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Well then, your question about peace and love has been answered. :mypleasure:




So the answer is... we are an infection that can never change? Seriously?


Edit:

I'm sorry but I refuse to end it there. We need the nuclear war. We need an apocalypse. We need an answer. Reboot! REBOOT! Wheres the god damn button! I'll press the fuck out of it.


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Re: Cyclic [Re: MuffinShroomMan]
    #18924062 - 10/03/13 12:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

A group of people... rising up with an idea... with no ulterior motives in mind... fighting for peace... will end this facade. It will. And once we are there.... it will all come crashing down. So I say.... for my own life.... fuck it. I'm gonna be fucked up... whenever I can... give two shits about nothing... and speak of broken and flawed logic anarchy. For as long as I have a breath to take in. I will be the armchair philosopher... arguing into the wind. Fighting the troll army forever.


So.... lets talk about peace and love shall we? Is pot the answer? Woodstock worked pretty solid I hear.


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Re: Cyclic [Re: MuffinShroomMan] * 1
    #18924123 - 10/03/13 12:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Woodstock was an event - a celebratory escape if you will; not a way of life.

The Haight was an experiment that quickly degraded into a drug-fueled slum. There was nothing beautiful about it after that first summer.

Community? Eventually someone has to be in charge which brings resentment.

Sharing and equality? Someone always gets the best house with the best view.

Free love? That is fine until jealousy sets in then all hell breaks loose.

Sorry to tell you there is no utopian answer. :ohwell:


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with no ulterior motives in mind




That is pure naivete. What is the glue if there is no end game?


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Re: Cyclic [Re: MuffinShroomMan]
    #18924155 - 10/03/13 01:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

When I say no ulterior motives I mean a selfless motive. Something like education to all. Bringing the idea to everyone.

Eventually someone has to be in charge?

Why is that? Why can't we all run around in circles and talk on the interwebs about idears. It works doesnt it? Seriously. Outcasts change because they are outcasts.... and if we had no system in place... who would they blow up? Who would they shoot down? The group that shunned them in the first place? So be it!

Sharing and equality? Tricky statement.... I believe in earning what you get... and if that means you need to earn your right for me to share with you... so be it. And if all that means is become a friend... have we won? Or if I dont have to spare... don't? If my wants outweigh their needs.... so be it. Work can be done for services rendered... to keep the needy alive.

Free love? I don't mean to share women... I mean to just simply give a fuck. Hell... GIVE TWO!


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Re: Cyclic [Re: MuffinShroomMan]
    #18924169 - 10/03/13 01:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Shit is complicated.... seriously complicated....

I just want everyone to care.... thats all I want. Care about themselves... care about others... care about their race... care about the past... care about the future...

Why are people either fake or dont give a shit? Where is the true hero? The one who fights for what he believes in for the sake of those beliefs. One who doesnt fold under pressure. One who stays true to his ideals. One who takes himself out of the equation.

I cant do it. I'm too god damn weak and stupid and unstable and irrational and illogical.


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Re: Cyclic [Re: MuffinShroomMan]
    #18924170 - 10/03/13 01:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Your first post is really long, didn't read it past the first few lines. Anyway, you should take a philosophy class. I think you'd like it.

Also, you should try to be less egotistical.


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Re: Cyclic [Re: MuffinShroomMan]
    #18924171 - 10/03/13 01:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The human race has a flaw.... and that flaw is selfishness..

Duh!  This is old news around here for many of us.  Yet I can't see it as a "flaw" except subjectively.  All life is selfish it seems and that insures it's survival and chances at procreation.  If there's a problem it's with how nature itself operates. We are doing what we were designed to do.


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Re: Cyclic [Re: Icelander]
    #18924179 - 10/03/13 01:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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We are doing what we were designed to do.




Taking enemy heads as trophies, getting drunk and banging bitches?


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Re: Cyclic [Re: nooneman]
    #18924180 - 10/03/13 01:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Your first post is really long, didn't read it past the first few lines. Anyway, you should take a philosophy class. I think you'd like it.

Also, you should try to be less egotistical.




He was hardly being egotistical imo. And his post was not very long and well broken up with paragraphs and so easy to read. 

What a dumb response . :thumbdown:


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Re: Cyclic [Re: nooneman]
    #18924184 - 10/03/13 01:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Your first post is really long, didn't read it past the first few lines. Anyway, you should take a philosophy class. I think you'd like it.

Also, you should try to be less egotistical.





How? When you know it is what is encoded in your DNA....

I've been in and out of the psych ward the passed 2 months... My love for my girl is changing me... and I refuse to change.

She sticks with me through everything... shes still at my side. My care for her grows every day... I find myself thinking of her first... before my ideals... before me.

I dont want to be like everyone else. I cant let the only thing I've known for so long change...

I know it happens... I've pointed it out my whole life... I've fought every step of the way... and now I'm in love. Why must I go with nature? Why must I fall for her... have children... and die.

Why must this cycle continue? Why isnt there another way?

Why cant I stay here and have her too? Why do I tear up when I think of losing her? Why cant I fight it?


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Re: Cyclic [Re: MuffinShroomMan]
    #18924192 - 10/03/13 01:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Check out Ernest Becker and his book Denial of Death.  You might find it enlightening and a possible answer to many of the questions you just posed.


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Re: Cyclic [Re: MuffinShroomMan]
    #18924199 - 10/03/13 01:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I've always been better than everyone my age intellectually.... and always sound arrogant to more aged veterans who seem to have experienced everything I have... and every attempt for those more intellectually advanced to "show me the light" have been blocked by my impervious ability to out logic any ideology that comes into play.



This was the part that I found pretty egotistical. OP isn't better than everyone his own age intellectually, that's pure ego talking. So is this claim about the "ability to out logic any ideology." Again, very egotistical.

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How? When you know it is what is encoded in your DNA....




Being egotistical isn't encoded in anyone's DNA.


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    #18924206 - 10/03/13 01:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I think being egotistical is encoded in our genetic makeup.  We are designed that way.  That doesn't mean it's going to play out the same for everyone.


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Re: Cyclic [Re: Icelander]
    #18924212 - 10/03/13 01:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The human race has a flaw.... and that flaw is selfishness..

Duh!  This is old news around here for many of us.  Yet I can't see it as a "flaw" except subjectively.  All life is selfish it seems and that insures it's survival and chances at procreation.  If there's a problem it's with how nature itself operates. We are doing what we were designed to do.





Why? Why do we have to do what we are designed to do?

Why can't we fight it? I've always thought I could fight it. I've always managed to fight it. Emotion. Popularity. Fitting in.

None of it as ever mattered to me. I've fought the waves my whole life... and now...

Now I just think... I can't work part time.... I can't make "just enough"... I have to support her... make her happy... make her have things...

And she doesnt even share my ideals! Shes CHRISTIAN! WTF! She HATES pot. She says it makes everything seem better and she DOESNT like that! I'm trying to get her to do shrooms... now her reasoning is shes afraid of what might happen to ME! Like I cant handle my drugs!

I've given her a poor example... ive lost my shit. She made me do it.... and I can't show her...




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Icelander said:
Check out Ernest Becker and his book Denial of Death.  You might find it enlightening and a possible answer to many of the questions you just posed.




Adding that to my book list. Wikipedia's description sounds really good.


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Re: Cyclic [Re: MuffinShroomMan]
    #18924218 - 10/03/13 01:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You can fight it but you can't win against nature.  You can only do what you are designed to do.  You can do nothing outside your design. That's basic logic.  That's why rocks can't levitate. :lol:

And imo you and this woman won't last.  You are too different but she's got you by the emotional and physical balls right now and you are having a hard time groking the reality of the situation.

Every young kid thinks that because a woman "believes" in him he needs to support her lifestyle and make her happy. This my friend is the royal road to ruin. 


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Re: Cyclic [Re: Icelander]
    #18924246 - 10/03/13 01:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I know at this point... every young kid argues why they are different.... and I suppose I'm not different....

But I will say I've been with her since middle school on and off... and ages ago she cheated on me... and she came back... ever since I've been aloof from the relationship... just being there... smoking dope... dropping acid... doing shrooms... whatever I can get my hands on...

And a few months ago.... something cracked.... and I threw all the drugs out... laid next to her... and she spoke... she wasn't saying anything important... just some words here and there.... but I heard her in a different way.... I cared so much about what she had to say.... I remember exactly what she said too...

"What was that sound?" I say nothing. "Whats wrong?" I say nothing.

And we went to sleep. It was magical... I cant explain it.... it blows my fucking mind.

The next morning my dad was in my house and in my bed waking me up to an intervention. My whole family was there. My room mate... and my girl too. I told them all to go fuck themselves... and they called the police... I told the police to go fuck themselves and to leave me alone... and I went to the psychward.

It has been a crazy ride.


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Re: Cyclic [Re: Icelander]
    #18924251 - 10/03/13 01:52 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The answer is what I call the forum government. this type of government would work just like this very forum, this type of community on shroomery shares ideas, peacefully debates topics, we all grow from the knowledge we read on the shroomery. This type of society is being created right before your very eyes! All you need is patience, maybe a life time or 2 of it but the human race will straighten its self out in the end or else the race will perish in violence! Look at evolution around you on a broad scale. the human is really the only species that is at war with itself. Every other being is at peace, everybody works together, everybody is happy! The answer your looking for is right in front of you you just have to look for it a little deeper!:grin:


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Re: Cyclic [Re: MuffinShroomMan]
    #18924264 - 10/03/13 02:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Cyclic [Re: MuffinShroomMan]
    #18924270 - 10/03/13 02:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I need pot... i need shrooms.. alcohol isnt doing it for me... im trying so hard to not do anything... i need a job.... i cant have drugs in my system... but i need pot so bad... one text and i could have it... just one text and this will all be old news...

fuck this shit to fucking hell......

shrooms arent anywhere... i need to grow shrooms... i need shrooms again... shrooms dont show up on a drug test....


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Re: Cyclic [Re: MuffinShroomMan]
    #18924276 - 10/03/13 02:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I told the police to go fuck themselves and to leave me alone... and I went to the psychward.





Pardon my blunt observation, but that does not seem like the action of a man more brilliant than those around him.

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Re: Cyclic [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18924284 - 10/03/13 02:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I told the police to go fuck themselves and to leave me alone... and I went to the psychward.





Pardon my blunt observation, but that does not seem like the action of a man more brilliant than those around him.

Just sayin...




I didn't literally say go fuck yourself... when the police came... I was polite... i was cordial.. and they just fucking... they just fucking beat me. I cant explain it... I was the only X in the room full of Y's... so of course I lost.


Also I typed that whole thing in a rage of flashing fingers.... I have many other complete works when it was fresh on my mind...

I just get... so... god damn angry when i think about it. And its so hard NOT to think about. Seeing these GOD DAMN BILLS IN FRONT OF ME from these got damn TYRANTS. Thinking of all the other WASTED LIVES in there that CANT BE SAVED...


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Re: Cyclic [Re: MuffinShroomMan]
    #18924292 - 10/03/13 02:22 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

^ That's police brutality pure and simple. You don't need anything. It's only the thinking you need something, society telling you what you need, that is sending you into despair. Listen to your own heart.


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Re: Cyclic [Re: cheeshcat]
    #18924300 - 10/03/13 02:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

What do you do when it happens to you? Seriously. I sound like a maniac to anyone and everyone. I sound like I deserved what I got... but I didn't! I was fucking in my OWN god damn house... minding my OWN god damn business... not hurting ANYONE... I'm not suicidal... never cut myself... never done ANYTHING stupid... and these FUCKS... my FAMILY the POLICE and the psych ward.... the doctors....

I just cant believe it... I just cant. It cant be real. I have to wake up.


I've lost my humanity... I've lost my philosophy... I've lost my edge... all I am is another cyclic piece of shit... I'm just like anyone else... trapped in a loop. The question is when will I submit... when will I give in... fall prey to society... or nature... whatever it is...


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Re: Cyclic [Re: MuffinShroomMan]
    #18924345 - 10/03/13 02:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Must I choose therapy? Can I not delve deeper into the rabit hole? Am I not strong enough? Can I not handle my shit?

The only times I lose my shit is when you take my pot away. That withdrawal.... it kills me. Its my coping mechanism....

Cigarettes and booze dont work... I need my pot.

I love shrooms... acid is a crazy temptress that I need further experiences of.... to harness whatever power it is... that evil.... that bit of evil you feel... that SINGE of FREEZING COLD CHILL up your spine... something about it..... something about it...


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Re: Cyclic [Re: MuffinShroomMan]
    #18924349 - 10/03/13 02:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

MY GOD LETS TALK ABOUT ACID! LOL

That moment... when you're outside.... 1 AM ... walking back from walmart... smokes in hand.... and you realize you've been staring at a lamp post for god knows how long.... and you burst out into laughter...

Thats when you know that 20 bucks was worth it :smile:


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Re: Cyclic [Re: MuffinShroomMan]
    #18924377 - 10/03/13 03:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry guys... ruined a good debate with my own problems... i accept defeat. We are nature. Cant fight it... cant avoid it... Peace simply cannot win when we are not peaceful by nature

We are encoded into our DNA with what we are going to do... we have the ability to vary from the path... though the most at home we will ever feel is when we go with the path we have been made to go on.

Drugs are merely an escape from death just like god and jobs... and knowledge... and fame... and wealth... and power... and women and kids.


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Re: Cyclic [Re: MuffinShroomMan]
    #18924418 - 10/03/13 03:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

We are peaceful by nature. the end


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Re: Cyclic [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18924689 - 10/03/13 06:34 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:thumbup:

I see little in the ops posts to warrant his views on himself.  He's been hanging out with a very dumb crowd and his family most likely and of course then he sees himself as a genius.  (compared to them he likely is)


All the normal illusions and poor conclusions of youth are being made here imo.

Conclusion = Youthful folly.


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Re: Cyclic [Re: cheeshcat]
    #18924774 - 10/03/13 07:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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We are peaceful by nature. the end




Would you not say it's a necessity for the organism to cause ruin, injury and or pain to survive?

According to the dictionary we're evil which is hard to disagree with when observing human nature.

Evil:

2. Causing ruin, injury, or pain

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Re: Cyclic [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18924782 - 10/03/13 07:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Well then, your question about peace and love has been answered. :mypleasure:




So the answer is... we are an infection that can never change? Seriously?


Edit:

I'm sorry but I refuse to end it there. We need the nuclear war. We need an apocalypse. We need an answer. Reboot! REBOOT! Wheres the god damn button! I'll press the fuck out of it.




Form infracommunity on another host/find another planet to spread social parasitism.

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Re: Cyclic [Re: cheeshcat]
    #18924783 - 10/03/13 07:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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We are peaceful by nature. the end




Wrong, very wrong. This is obvious to anyone not doing this.


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Re: Cyclic [Re: MuffinShroomMan]
    #18925845 - 10/03/13 01:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

"Be certain that the nature of the mind is empty and without foundation.

One's own mind is insubstantial, like an empty sky.

Divorced from views which constructedly determine [the nature of] emptiness,

Be certain that pristine cognition, naturally originating, is primordially radiant-
Just like the nucleus of the sun, which is itself naturally originating.

Be certain that this awareness, which is pristine cognition is uninterrupted,
Like the coursing central torrent of a river which flows unceasingly.

Be certain that conceptual thoughts and fleeting memories are not strictly identifiable,
But insubstantial in their motion, like the breezes of the atmosphere.

Be certain that all that appears is naturally manifest [in the mind],
Like images in a mirror which [also] appear naturally.

Be certain that all characteristics are liberated right where they are,
Like the clouds of the atmosphere, naturally originating and naturally dissolving.

There are no phenomena extraneous to those that originate from the mind.
[So], how could there be anything on which to meditate apart from the mind?

There are no phenomena extraneous to those that originate from the mind.
[So], there are no modes of conduct to be undertaken extraneous [to those that originate from the mind].

There are no phenomena extraneous to those that originate from the mind.
[So], there are no commitments to be kept extraneous [to those that originate from the mind.]

There are no phenomena extraneous to those that originate from the mind.
[So], there are no results to be attained extraneous [to those that originate from the mind.]

There are no phenomena extraneous to those that originate from the mind.
[So], one should observe one's own mind, looking into its nature again and again.

If, upon looking outwards towards the external expanse of the sky,
There are no projections emanated by the mind,
And if, on looking inwards at one's own mind,
There is no projectionist who projects[thoughts] by thinking them,
Then, one's own mind, completely free from conceptual projections, will become
luminously clear.

[This] intrinsic awareness, [union of] inner radiance and emptiness, is the Buddha-body of Reality,
[Appearing] like [the illumining effect of] a sunrise on a clear cloudless sky,
It is clearly knowable, despite its lack of specific shape or form.

This naturally originating inner radiance, uncreated from the very beginning,
Is the parentless child of awareness

It is the naturally originating pristine cognition, uncreated by anyone

[This radiant awareness] has never been born and will never die

Though manifestly radiant, it lacks an [extraneous] perceiver

Though it has roamed through cyclic existence, it does not degenerate

Though it has seen Buddhahood itself, it does not improve

Though it is present in everyone, it remains unrecognized

Still, one hopes for some attainment other than this

Though it is present within oneself, one continues to seek it elsewhere"

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Re: Cyclic [Re: Icelander]
    #18929444 - 10/04/13 02:43 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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We are peaceful by nature. the end




Wrong, very wrong. This is obvious to anyone not doing this.



We have both sides naturally in us. For caring for our offspring or pack we are loving and peaceful towards them naturally, too.


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Re: Cyclic [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18929883 - 10/04/13 06:34 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

How is it a necessity? No I would absolutely not say it's a necessity for an 'organism' to cause ruin, injury and or pain to survive. That is sadism, because an individual does not inflict pain unless an individual wants or chooses to inflict pain and that is governed by the individuals free will. According to your dictionary I'm evil, inferring that I cause ruin, injury and pain but according to my reality I am not. :rolleyes:


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    #18930771 - 10/04/13 11:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

A specific exception does not break the rule.... and I think under the right circumstances... you and anyone else can cause ruin injury and pain... or be evil.

The fact that you don't cause pain would be a product of you're upbringing. And can you really say you don't cause pain? On a physical or an emotional level? To anyone ... ever in your life?

It feels good doing it. It just does.


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    #18930844 - 10/04/13 11:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

How is it a necessity? No I would absolutely not say it's a necessity for an 'organism' to cause ruin, injury and or pain to survive. That is sadism, because an individual does not inflict pain unless an individual wants or chooses to inflict pain and that is governed by the individuals free will. According to your dictionary I'm evil, inferring that I cause ruin, injury and pain but according to my reality I am not. :rolleyes:

What would you feed your stomach with? And the organisms you ruin and injure when breathing air and drinking water or the particles you destroy when moving?

That is sadism, because an individual does not inflict pain unless an individual wants or chooses to inflict pain and that is governed by the individuals free will. According to your dictionary I'm evil, inferring that I cause ruin, injury and pain but according to my reality I am not. :rolleyes:

My dictionary? It's a legal dictionary, pick any other major dictionary and it will define evil as the same. If you don't want to debate using dictionaries to get to conclusions I suggest you stop communicating in English.


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Re: Cyclic [Re: MuffinShroomMan]
    #18930866 - 10/04/13 11:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I didn't even think about going down to the particle level with it... proves the point even better!

And our choice to keep us alive allow us to eat and destroy the world we live on.. everything counters the argument.


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    #18930904 - 10/04/13 11:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I think though that any effort to thwart our evil is valiant... but seems to always be in vain. Maybe its just delaying the inevitable? I mean... it obviously is... inevitably we will all be extinct... maybe we are delaying our self-extinction? Long enough to terraform? And then what? Maybe just delaying for more information to disprove that our end will be our own? Searching for a fight maybe? Something else to conquer? Is that our end? And what then? When we have complete control over everything in existence? What will our race do? Become bloated and fight amongst ourselves? Its just an endless cycle... no point in human history will be worth living... its just a question of how enjoyable of a time you can have I suppose... and I think we could have a lot more fun in space ships than mustangs.


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    #18933352 - 10/04/13 09:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

A blind homeostasis or dynamic flux looks cyclic especially in context of peace and violence.

In peace we grow lax and chaos emerges then a reversal of order and disorder wakes us up and we reestablish some harmony.  It is constant and even rhythmic. Not one cycle but many organic systems that rise into the stream and settle into the waking dream


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    #18933682 - 10/04/13 10:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

What is a dynamic flux?

And a blind homeostasis.... we have the ability to change ourselves... but lack the knowledge or power to choose the best self?


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    #18935008 - 10/05/13 07:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

try dictionaries for the vocabulary, I thought you were smarter than 90% of your local area tribesmen...
anyway, I agree that you may feel lost in the face of what might be the best attitude at any particular moment,
but your choice of who to be at any moment is complicated by your habits which hold more sway than your preferences.

part of waking up to the human condition is understanding that habit is stronger than preference, but you can plan and implement routines that build a  select few new habits. although many people just give up and go to sleep.

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    #18936148 - 10/05/13 01:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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try dictionaries for the vocabulary, I thought you were smarter than 90% of your local area tribesmen...
anyway, I agree that you may feel lost in the face of what might be the best attitude at any particular moment,
but your choice of who to be at any moment is complicated by your habits which hold more sway than your preferences.

part of waking up to the human condition is understanding that habit is stronger than preference, but you can plan and implement routines that build a  select few new habits. although many people just give up and go to sleep.

like choosing your battles





Sorry but you lost me right there. I ask questions. Take it or leave it. I answer them too when I can.


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Re: Cyclic [Re: MuffinShroomMan]
    #18936382 - 10/05/13 02:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I make it up as seems suitable.
Nothing cryptic about habits (operating on automatic) and finding opportunity to act differently than comme d'habitude.


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