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Re: OH!! FUCKING SHIT THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!! [Re: zappaisgod]
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Dark_Star said: I was under the impression that DC doesn't have its own representatives?
Not in Congress. It is Unconstitutional. It does have it's own government that collects taxes and runs the municipality.
It is not unconstitutional. You really do have a limited understanding of these topics, don't you. The constitution grants congress full authority over DC. It is completely in the hands of congress as to how much democracy the residents of DC are allowed.
As for running the municipality, the laws passed by the council are subject to authorization by congress.
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On December 24, 1973, Congress enacted the District of Columbia Home Rule Act, providing for an elected mayor and the 13-member Council of the District of Columbia.[21] Each of the city's eight wards elects a single member of the council and five members, including the chairman, are elected at large.[22] There are 37 Advisory Neighborhood Commissions (ANCs) elected by small neighborhood districts. ANCs traditionally wield a great deal of influence and the city government routinely takes their suggestions into careful consideration.[23] The Council has the ability to pass local laws and ordinances. However, pursuant to the Home Rule Act all legislation passed by the D.C. government, including the city's local budget, remains subject to the approval of Congress.[24] The Home Rule Act specifically prohibits the Council from enacting certain laws that, among other restrictions, would:[25] lend public credit for private projects; impose a tax on individuals who work in the District but live elsewhere; make any changes to the Heights of Buildings Act of 1910; pass any law changing the composition or jurisdiction of the local courts; enact a local budget that is not balanced; and gain any additional authority over the National Capital Planning Commission, Washington Aqueduct, or District of Columbia National Guard. As noted, the Home Rule Act prohibits the District from imposing a commuter tax on non-residents who make up over 60% of the city's workforce. In addition, over 50% of property in the District is also exempt from taxation.[26] The Government Accountability Office and other organizations have estimated that these revenue restrictions create a structural deficit in the city's budget of anywhere between $470 million and over $1 billion per year.[26][27][28] While Congress typically provides larger grants to the District for federal programs such as Medicaid and the local justice system, analysts claim that the payments do not resolve the imbalance.[27][28]
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Re: OH!! FUCKING SHIT THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!! [Re: zappaisgod]
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koods said: Actually, the most inefficient way to allocate resources is to give contracts to for profit corporations to do the things that government should be doing itself..
No it isn't. That's ridiculous. For instance the government is not a construction company. They solicit bids for work and then sift through competing bids. The government can't even effectively monitor the work.
There's a big difference between contracting for construction, and contracting for trash pickup.
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Re: OH!! FUCKING SHIT THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!! [Re: koods]
#18922949 - 10/02/13 07:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dark_Star said: I was under the impression that DC doesn't have its own representatives?
Not in Congress. It is Unconstitutional. It does have it's own government that collects taxes and runs the municipality.
It is not unconstitutional. You really do have a limited understanding of these topics, don't you. The constitution grants congress full authority over DC. It is completely in the hands of congress as to how much democracy the residents of DC are allowed.
The Constitution makes no provision whatsoever for there to be either a Senator or a Representative from the Washington DC territory. These things are reserved to the states.
Does DC not have an elected mayor and council (or whatever it is called)? Do they not run the schools and whatnot? Do they not collect taxes?
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Re: OH!! FUCKING SHIT THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!! [Re: zappaisgod]
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So the 2 party system is doing its job here. polarizing the people while the rich get richer and the poor poorer. It is a perfect storm to keep the voters occupied with each other while they, the politicians do whats best for whose hand is in their back pocket.
Keep on keeping on
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Re: OH!! FUCKING SHIT THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!! [Re: koods] 1
#18922962 - 10/02/13 07:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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koods said: Actually, the most inefficient way to allocate resources is to give contracts to for profit corporations to do the things that government should be doing itself..
No it isn't. That's ridiculous. For instance the government is not a construction company. They solicit bids for work and then sift through competing bids. The government can't even effectively monitor the work.
There's a big difference between contracting for construction, and contracting for trash pickup.
Ummmm no. Lots of towns and cities contract out their trash pickup
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Re: OH!! FUCKING SHIT THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!! [Re: unknown1123]
#18922963 - 10/02/13 07:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Keep on keeping on

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Re: OH!! FUCKING SHIT THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!! [Re: zappaisgod]
#18922972 - 10/02/13 07:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dark_Star said: I was under the impression that DC doesn't have its own representatives?
Not in Congress. It is Unconstitutional. It does have it's own government that collects taxes and runs the municipality.
It is not unconstitutional. You really do have a limited understanding of these topics, don't you. The constitution grants congress full authority over DC. It is completely in the hands of congress as to how much democracy the residents of DC are allowed.
The Constitution makes no provision whatsoever for there to be either a Senator or a Representative from the Washington DC territory. These things are reserved to the states.
Does DC not have an elected mayor and council (or whatever it is called)? Do they not run the schools and whatnot? Do they not collect taxes?
Read the wiki article I posted above. All of these things are through laws passed by congress. Congress could give DC voting representation, but the republicans do not want another democratic vote in congress. As for taxes, a majority of people who work in DC live in MD or VA. Out of state residents take advantage of DC services all day and pay not a single cent for them.
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koods said: Actually, the most inefficient way to allocate resources is to give contracts to for profit corporations to do the things that government should be doing itself..
No it isn't. That's ridiculous. For instance the government is not a construction company. They solicit bids for work and then sift through competing bids. The government can't even effectively monitor the work.
There's a big difference between contracting for construction, and contracting for trash pickup.
Ummmm no. Lots of towns and cities contract out their trash pickup
Yes. Republican ideology at work. Costing more money and making a profit for someone on the backs of taxpayers.
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Re: OH!! FUCKING SHIT THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!! [Re: zappaisgod]
#18922996 - 10/02/13 07:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Because you have elected them. Also, to make you guys realize that you're no as untouchable and all mighty like guys think you are.
You're a fucking Canadian. You have nothing to say.
Yeah we have a say. We're kinda right there next to you guys on the same continent. We're also your main trading partner and your best ally. We both exchange international intelligence to each other. We're not Mexico and our economies are welded together. Therefore we have the right to critic you guys, but I will admit that our opinions are worthless to the debate unless you choose to listen to one. Different perspective you know
You personally, as a Canadian, have consistently proven that you have no fucking idea what you are talking about vis a vis the United States.
Naw man, I probably know more about the US than the average US citizen. You're extremely conservative and I'm not.
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Re: OH!! FUCKING SHIT THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!! [Re: Patlal]
#18923010 - 10/02/13 07:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's funny what the conservatives on this site have to say and what they say on Fox Neas are often the same, down to the exact wording. It's like they are being programmed.
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Re: OH!! FUCKING SHIT THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!! [Re: koods]
#18923042 - 10/02/13 07:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Not in Congress. It is Unconstitutional. It does have it's own government that collects taxes and runs the municipality.
It is not unconstitutional. You really do have a limited understanding of these topics, don't you. The constitution grants congress full authority over DC. It is completely in the hands of congress as to how much democracy the residents of DC are allowed.
The Constitution makes no provision whatsoever for there to be either a Senator or a Representative from the Washington DC territory. These things are reserved to the states.
Does DC not have an elected mayor and council (or whatever it is called)? Do they not run the schools and whatnot? Do they not collect taxes?
Read the wiki article I posted above. All of these things are through laws passed by congress. Congress could give DC voting representation, but the republicans do not want another democratic vote in congress. As for taxes, a majority of people who work in DC live in MD or VA. Out of state residents take advantage of DC services all day and pay not a single cent for them.
So? There are 600.000+ people who live in DC. DC has a mayor, a council levies taxes and exerts control on huge swaths of its populace. Quote:
There is a constitutional amendment that provides that DC residents can vote for president and that the winner receives three electoral votes.
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No it isn't. That's ridiculous. For instance the government is not a construction company. They solicit bids for work and then sift through competing bids. The government can't even effectively monitor the work.
There's a big difference between contracting for construction, and contracting for trash pickup.
Ummmm no. Lots of towns and cities contract out their trash pickup
Yes. Republican ideology at work. Costing more money and making a profit for someone on the backs of taxpayers.
They do it because it is cheaper thus saving the taxpayer money.
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Re: OH!! FUCKING SHIT THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!! [Re: Patlal]
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Because you have elected them. Also, to make you guys realize that you're no as untouchable and all mighty like guys think you are.
You're a fucking Canadian. You have nothing to say.
Yeah we have a say. We're kinda right there next to you guys on the same continent. We're also your main trading partner and your best ally. We both exchange international intelligence to each other. We're not Mexico and our economies are welded together. Therefore we have the right to critic you guys, but I will admit that our opinions are worthless to the debate unless you choose to listen to one. Different perspective you know
You personally, as a Canadian, have consistently proven that you have no fucking idea what you are talking about vis a vis the United States.
Naw man, I probably know more about the US than the average US citizen. You're extremely conservative and I'm not.
The average US citizen can't name the Vice President. That has nothing to do with your lack of understanding
I am only fiscally conservative.
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Re: OH!! FUCKING SHIT THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!! [Re: zappaisgod]
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They do it because it is cheaper thus saving the taxpayer money.
Except it usually isn't cheape.
Not to mention that government contracting is easily the number one way government is defrauded on a daily basis.
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Re: OH!! FUCKING SHIT THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!! [Re: koods]
#18923064 - 10/02/13 07:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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koods said: It's funny what the conservatives on this site have to say and what they say on Fox Neas are often the same, down to the exact wording. It's like they are being programmed.
I don't watch Fox News. You sound exactly like Rachel Madcow. Say baaa.
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Re: OH!! FUCKING SHIT THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!! [Re: zappaisgod]
#18923078 - 10/02/13 07:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Rachel Maddow is awesome, and could intellectually wipe the floor with the entire Fox News staff.
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Re: OH!! FUCKING SHIT THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!! [Re: zappaisgod]
#18923083 - 10/02/13 07:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sorry, poor getting more handouts!
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Re: OH!! FUCKING SHIT THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!! [Re: koods]
#18923111 - 10/02/13 07:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I could depants the hideous moron. I have no idea what the Fox people could do since I don't watch them.
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Re: OH!! FUCKING SHIT THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!! [Re: unknown1123]
#18923113 - 10/02/13 07:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yep. More shit for bums to buy votes.
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Re: OH!! FUCKING SHIT THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!! [Re: zappaisgod]
#18923140 - 10/02/13 08:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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All we are asking for is to give the American people the same break Obama (illegally) extended to big business and the unions. That and making the elite in our government live by the same rules the rest of us have to play by. Hardly unfair.
Fuck Obama and Harry Reid!
You should get down on your knees and thank our God for the Tea Parties. At least there are some adults in the room.
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Re: OH!! FUCKING SHIT THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!! [Re: mpd]
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Fuck Obama and Harry Reid!
You should get down on your knees and thank our God for the Tea Parties. At least there are some adults in the room.
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Re: OH!! FUCKING SHIT THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!! [Re: zappaisgod]
#18923243 - 10/02/13 08:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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koods said: Rachel Maddow is awesome, and could intellectually wipe the floor with the entire Fox News staff.
I could depants the hideous moron. I have no idea what the Fox people could do since I don't watch them.
Yes. She's a moronic Rhodes scholar. Another characteristic of conservative ideology: Intelligence and education are to be ridiculed and demeaned. There's a reason why higher education is dominated by liberals - conservatives aren't intellectually equipped for learning and teaching environments.
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