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InvisibleAWS
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Re: OH!! FUCKING SHIT THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!! [Re: Synthe]
    #18922699 - 10/02/13 06:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Synthe said:
Okay I'll admit I can't see how he still has as many diehard supporters as he does considering he often does a bad job.




He is black and giving away free stuff.


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Re: OH!! FUCKING SHIT THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!! [Re: Synthe]
    #18922715 - 10/02/13 06:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Synthe said:
Okay I'll admit I can't see how he still has as many diehard supporters as he does considering he often does a bad job.




Most black intellectuals despise Obama, they know he's nothing more than a puppet for the rich white boys, and that just kills them.


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Re: OH!! FUCKING SHIT THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!! [Re: AWS]
    #18922746 - 10/02/13 06:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You guys must understand. They pull this kind of crap in DC because they're fucking tools. They want to make it seem as bad as possible to support the brother in the white house. Thats how they think. We're talking about the city that reelected marion barry for what, 30 some years? I've got to admit its gotten alot better since he's been out of powere but its still hard to believe Obama didnt play a part having the parks fenced in.
I've also pretty much stopped listening to politics. The way it looks to me is the dems are clearly crooks and the republicans seem to be just a seething group of retards. Now i just remember that the world is always getting better despite these jackasses and focus on my life to make sure i come out winning no matter what these fucks do.

They do need to cut the average guys taxes though. Im tired of working for free for the first half of the day.


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Re: OH!! FUCKING SHIT THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!! [Re: Patlal]
    #18922752 - 10/02/13 06:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Patlal said:
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Nova said:
obama and the dems are really thwoing a hissy fit over this one. obama was on cnbc preaching doom and gloom (what happened to hope?) saying if things continue this way the ideology divide will widen and government by the people experiment will fail (even though he refuses to negotiate, that really helps the divide).




Probably the first time ever that the truth has come out of a politician's mouth


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Nova said:

why do american citizens need to feel embarrassed about the state the nations leaders have put the country into?




Because you have elected them. Also, to make you guys realize that you're no as untouchable and all mighty like guys think you are.



You're a fucking Canadian.  You have nothing to say.


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Re: OH!! FUCKING SHIT THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18922757 - 10/02/13 06:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Damn straight we're Canadian, watching your government flop around for air is amusing.


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Re: OH!! FUCKING SHIT THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!! [Re: AWS]
    #18922818 - 10/02/13 06:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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AWS said:
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Patlal said:
Also, to make you guys realize that you're no as untouchable and all mighty like guys think you are.




Would you like to have a war with us?




We are too likable. You wouldn't go to war against us if we asked you.


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Re: OH!! FUCKING SHIT THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!! [Re: CidneyIndole]
    #18922823 - 10/02/13 06:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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CidneyIndole said:
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The Ecstatic said:
I find your general outlook on society disturbing.






+1

+2 if I could.


That, and the seemingly constant liberal / progressive / Obama bashing, and the ass-backwards conservative rhetoric.


And that's not just a starfire_xes thing. Not trying to single anyone out. I'm generally getting sick of seeing some of those same fallacious views* parroted in a number of forums and  comment sections online.


*Like this:


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starfire_xes said:
If the government didn't tax the living shit out of people they wouldn't protect their money offshore--it would be working here in the US.  :smirk:






Yeah, the guys who have the means to practically print money-- people whose money can now make money of its own (aka "passive" income streams)... including some people who make as much money as they do, only because they pay their large labor force the bare minimum they can legally get away with paying, an amount that would have been "fair" and "liveable" thirty fucking years ago-- should not have to pay their fair share; an amount proportionate to how much extra income they bring in... to the extent they want to be shady and hide their money off shore, or figure out other tricks and shortcuts to have to pay less. (Essentially, scamming the system)...




The only entity that can print money is the government.  Fair and  livable?  Fuck that.  Fair is what you can get.  Livable does not include cable and a cell phone.  You have a problem with interest?  Without interest there would be no loans at all.  That's a real spiffy idea.
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...and yet they'll bitch endlessly about the "welfare queens" who they say "feel entitled to a handout" etc, which they cry is an unfair and selfish manipulation of the system. :rolleyes:






http://www.ijreview.com/2013/08/72344-obamas-food-stamp-program-ca-surfer-buys-sushi-lobster-avoids-work/

Yeah, nothing to complain about there.  Nor is there anything to complain about bums having baby after baby with no father contributing.  Fucking spare me your crap
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I just find it really disgusting, and a really glaring example of how morally corrupt and bankrupt certain segments of our society have become.




I agree but we probably disagree about who the corrupt are.  You can be generous with your own money.  I'd rather light a cigar with a hundred dollar bill than see either of the above referenced scumbags get it.
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Anyway, back to this specific case, and Obama...



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starfire_xes said:
Does anyone find it disturbing that Obama's whole mode of governing is to go to a college or before a group of people, and give a speech?  A speech in which he blames republicans?

Just go look--every speech is him standing before a couple of blacks, a mexican or two, some old people, a few women, a native american, one or two asians, a couple of cripples in wheelchairs, and a token white male.





Now that just kinda seems like hyperbole. Certainly exaggeration. Yes, he does have a number of minority supporters. Why should that be a surprise? The first female president would have a ton of female supporters as well. No mystery there. But don't pretend Obama hasn't had plenty of white support.




He didn't win them.
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Don't get me confused, either. I'm no fan of Obama. He's pretty damn far from our best president. (My favorite  presidents are some of the guys whose term ended in a coffin, i.e. JFK) But he's not our worst president, either. Just another slick socially-engineered piece of puppetry. :shrug:




He is more harmful even than Jimmy Carter.  What do you know of JFK?  He was a fiscal conservative
http://www.debtordebt.com/forum/does-john-f-kennedy-sound-like-a-fiscal-conservative-t146171.html

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John F. Kennedy on taxation:

"It is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high and tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now ... Cutting taxes now is not to incur a budget deficit, but to achieve the more prosperous, expanding economy which can bring a budget surplus."

"Lower rates of taxation will stimulate economic activity and so raise the levels of personal and corporate income as to yield within a few years an increased – not a reduced – flow of revenues to the federal government."

"In today's economy, fiscal prudence and responsibility call for tax reduction even if it temporarily enlarges the federal deficit – why reducing taxes is the best way open to us to increase revenues."

"It is no contradiction – the most important single thing we can do to stimulate investment in today's economy is to raise consumption by major reduction of individual income tax rates."

"Our tax system still siphons out of the private economy too large a share of personal and business purchasing power and reduces the incentive for risk, investment and effort – thereby aborting our recoveries and stifling our national growth rate."

"A tax cut means higher family income, business profits and a balanced federal budget. Every taxpayer and his family will have more money left over after taxes for a new car, home, conveniences, education and investment. Every businessman can keep a higher percentage of his profits in his cash register or put it to work expanding or improving his business, and as the national income grows, the federal government will ultimately end up with more revenues."






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If you really want to blast Obama regarding his speeches, how about you look into the fact that he has been caught using "covert hypnosis" and NLP techniques to influence voters? IMO that's far more interesting, scarier, and more "damning."  Based on what I wrote above, you should probably realize I'm not a member of the biased "Let's lynch this shuck and jive clown" crowd.... yet after weighing the evidence, I'd say his use of hypnotic suggestion in speeches is plausible.


/rant




What "lynch this shuck and jive clown crowd".  Who's hyperbolic now?


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Re: OH!! FUCKING SHIT THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!! [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #18922828 - 10/02/13 06:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Bodhi of Ankou said:
Damn straight we're Canadian, watching your government flop around for air is amusing.



The more it flops the better I feel.


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Re: OH!! FUCKING SHIT THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18922831 - 10/02/13 06:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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Patlal said:
So you mean that the government paid someone to install fences around the parks????

Just let people go in the parks, I'm sure they won't mind the longer grass...




Why are you asking me?  I don't live there.  Let the DC government pay for the DC park.




DC would love to have control over its own governance. Ask the republicans why the won't let a city that runs a half billion dollar surplus have control over itself. They won't even allow the elected representative in congress have her vote count. DC did have its vote count in the house, but that was stripped when the republicans took back control.


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Re: OH!! FUCKING SHIT THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18922846 - 10/02/13 06:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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Bodhi of Ankou said:
Damn straight we're Canadian, watching your government flop around for air is amusing.



The more it flops the better I feel.




This is the problem with conservative ideology - you don't believe government works, and then you make sure it doesn't by being totally inept at governing.

Look at California, for a decade, it had a republican governor that trashed democratic fiscal policy. They were a fiscal disaster. Now that republicans have absolutely zero power in California, the state has completely turned itself around and runs a surplus. The only time governments are inept in the US is  when Republicans insert their 4th grade economic theories into the mix.


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Re: OH!! FUCKING SHIT THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18922848 - 10/02/13 06:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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Patlal said:
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Nova said:
obama and the dems are really thwoing a hissy fit over this one. obama was on cnbc preaching doom and gloom (what happened to hope?) saying if things continue this way the ideology divide will widen and government by the people experiment will fail (even though he refuses to negotiate, that really helps the divide).




Probably the first time ever that the truth has come out of a politician's mouth


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Nova said:

why do american citizens need to feel embarrassed about the state the nations leaders have put the country into?




Because you have elected them. Also, to make you guys realize that you're no as untouchable and all mighty like guys think you are.



You're a fucking Canadian.  You have nothing to say.




Yeah we have a say. We're kinda right there next to you guys on the same continent. We're also your main trading partner and your best ally. We both exchange international intelligence to each other. We're not Mexico and our economies are welded together. Therefore we have the right to critic you guys, but I will admit that our opinions are worthless to the debate unless you choose to listen to one. Different perspective you know


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Re: OH!! FUCKING SHIT THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!! [Re: koods]
    #18922851 - 10/02/13 06:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I was under the impression that DC doesn't have its own representatives?


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Re: OH!! FUCKING SHIT THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!! [Re: Dark_Star]
    #18922859 - 10/02/13 06:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Dark_Star said:
I was under the impression that DC doesn't have its own representatives?




Taxation, without representation.

All always wondered why that put on license plates. Isn't it a bad thing? Paying and yet not have a voice?


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Re: OH!! FUCKING SHIT THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!! [Re: koods]
    #18922869 - 10/02/13 06:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

They'd better be running a surplus with all the parking tickets they write.:shocked:
I guess i cant talk too mush shit, i still go there pretty much every day to work.


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Re: OH!! FUCKING SHIT THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!! [Re: Dark_Star]
    #18922873 - 10/02/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Dark_Star said:
I was under the impression that DC doesn't have its own representatives?




DC elects a delegate to the House. She can sit on committees but cannot vote of the floor. DC has no representation in the Senate. There have been numerous attempts to change this, but republicans have always blocked it because DC has a solid democratic advantage.

As for fiscal responsibility and wealth generation, it shouldn't be a surprise that Maryland is the richest state per capita in the US - we don't elect republicans. Do I have to provide an example what happens when Repblicans run the entire show? OK. Mississippi.


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Big_Dave said:
They'd better be running a surplus with all the parking tickets they write.:shocked:
I guess i cant talk too mush shit, i still go there pretty much every day to work.




I stayed overnight at my friends place near DuPont last night, and I realized this afternoon that the ANC permit for parking on the residents only side of the street expired on Sunday. Fortunately, I didn't get a ticket.


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Re: OH!! FUCKING SHIT THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!! [Re: koods]
    #18922924 - 10/02/13 06:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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koods said:
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zappaisgod said:
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Bodhi of Ankou said:
Damn straight we're Canadian, watching your government flop around for air is amusing.



The more it flops the better I feel.




This is the problem with conservative ideology - you don't believe government works, and then you make sure it doesn't by being totally inept at governing.




The Dems are far more inept.  Government is the most inefficient allocation of resources and should do only that which is essential to security and safety. 
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Look at California, for a decade, it had a republican governor that trashed democratic fiscal policy. They were a fiscal disaster. Now that republicans have absolutely zero power in California, the state has completely turned itself around and runs a surplus. The only time governments are inept in the US is  when Republicans insert their 4th grade economic theories into the mix.




The state of California is utterly fucked.

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/meredith-whitney-worst-states-business-growth-122115417.html

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She tells The Daily Ticker, “Underneath the surface you would be shocked to see how they [California] got there. “They raised taxes and did it retroactively… a lot of people booked 2013 gains into 2012 because of tax incentives… and they’re cramming down state expenses onto local communities without providing local communities the resources to pay for them… They are not paying into their pension funds adequately… and they’re still cutting from education…. It’s so much worse than the rosy picture that the headlines suggest.”





Why do think city after city is declaring bankruptcy?


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Re: OH!! FUCKING SHIT THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!! [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #18922928 - 10/02/13 06:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Patlal said:
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zappaisgod said:
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Patlal said:
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Nova said:
obama and the dems are really thwoing a hissy fit over this one. obama was on cnbc preaching doom and gloom (what happened to hope?) saying if things continue this way the ideology divide will widen and government by the people experiment will fail (even though he refuses to negotiate, that really helps the divide).




Probably the first time ever that the truth has come out of a politician's mouth


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Nova said:

why do american citizens need to feel embarrassed about the state the nations leaders have put the country into?




Because you have elected them. Also, to make you guys realize that you're no as untouchable and all mighty like guys think you are.



You're a fucking Canadian.  You have nothing to say.




Yeah we have a say. We're kinda right there next to you guys on the same continent. We're also your main trading partner and your best ally. We both exchange international intelligence to each other. We're not Mexico and our economies are welded together. Therefore we have the right to critic you guys, but I will admit that our opinions are worthless to the debate unless you choose to listen to one. Different perspective you know



You personally, as a Canadian, have consistently proven that you have no fucking idea what you are talking about vis a vis the United States.


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Re: OH!! FUCKING SHIT THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18922930 - 10/02/13 06:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Actually, the most inefficient way to allocate resources is to give contracts to for profit corporations to do the things that government should be doing itself..


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Re: OH!! FUCKING SHIT THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!! [Re: Dark_Star]
    #18922931 - 10/02/13 06:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Dark_Star said:
I was under the impression that DC doesn't have its own representatives?



Not in Congress.  It is Unconstitutional.  It does have it's own government that collects taxes and runs the municipality.


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Re: OH!! FUCKING SHIT THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!! [Re: koods]
    #18922936 - 10/02/13 07:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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koods said:
Actually, the most inefficient way to allocate resources is to give contracts to for profit corporations to do the things that government should be doing itself..



No it isn't.  That's ridiculous.  For instance the government is not a construction company.  They solicit bids for work and then sift through competing bids.  The government can't even effectively monitor the work.


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