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Re: Silk Road, the 'eBay of illegal drugs', busted by the FBI [Re: Enlil] * 2
    #18922395 - 10/02/13 04:49 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

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LOLOL. You want all drug dealers to pay taxes on their illegal earnings? LOL



Yes.  I'm not a fan of people cheating on taxes...whether it's a wealthy wall-street type, or a blinged out drug dealer.




Well too bad. That's how it works. Don't like it? Legalize it.

I don't like churches being tax exempt


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Re: Silk Road, the 'eBay of illegal drugs', busted by the FBI [Re: Shroomism]
    #18922406 - 10/02/13 04:51 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

oh but they keep us all healthy, warm and fuzzy.

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Re: Silk Road, the 'eBay of illegal drugs', busted by the FBI [Re: Shroomism]
    #18922414 - 10/02/13 04:52 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

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I don't like churches being tax exempt



I don't either.


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Re: Silk Road, the 'eBay of illegal drugs', busted by the FBI [Re: Enlil]
    #18922432 - 10/02/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

I was awaiting this day for a couple years now. Ever since I first heard of Silk Road, it was already too popular for me to trustingly use it. Bitcoins were only $5-6 at the time, but they quickly rose as the prices of the drugs did too.

The underground drug market on the internet should never have a central forum for casual users to flock to and buy from any bulk dealer. That website was a bad idea terribly executed IMO, it was a fed case waiting to happen from the start. Plus, fuck, it was expensive.

The only thing Silk Road had going for it was you couldn't get scammed as easy, but at what cost? The DEA now has all of your info.

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Re: Silk Road, the 'eBay of illegal drugs', busted by the FBI [Re: isolate]
    #18922440 - 10/02/13 04:59 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

Vendors don't advertise their addresses on SR, and everyone should be using PGP anyway.


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Re: Silk Road, the 'eBay of illegal drugs', busted by the FBI [Re: isolate]
    #18922442 - 10/02/13 05:00 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

If they had all of the users info they would've been busted en masse. The simple fact is they werent, and its owner wasnt even busted through the feds hacking into the servers. He was brought done by old fashioned surveillance. The sites security measures were air tight, why do you think it managed to stay up so long?

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Re: Silk Road, the 'eBay of illegal drugs', busted by the FBI [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] * 5
    #18922477 - 10/02/13 05:11 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

Just a reminder folks:

Source discussion is not allowed here.

We can discuss SR now, because it is news and it is no longer a source.

But please do not mention alternatives in this thread.

There is a reason we have this rule. Seems one post from 2011 slipped through the cracks, perhaps because nobody here even knew it was a source at the time.

Please keep our source discussion policy in mind as this discussion continues.


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Re: Silk Road, the 'eBay of illegal drugs', busted by the FBI [Re: isolate]
    #18922482 - 10/02/13 05:12 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

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The only thing Silk Road had going for it was you couldn't get scammed as easy, but at what cost? The DEA now has all of your info.





You are misinformed. The head guy was busted. Users of SR are still completely anonymous.


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Re: Silk Road, the 'eBay of illegal drugs', busted by the FBI [Re: Shroomism]
    #18922511 - 10/02/13 05:18 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

so they linked all of sr to this guy, damn..

but it was the only way they could bring down all sr.



link sr to guy - check

take guy down - check

sr + guy down = ?

profit

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Re: Silk Road, the 'eBay of illegal drugs', busted by the FBI [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #18922530 - 10/02/13 05:22 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

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If they had all of the users info they would've been busted en masse. The simple fact is they werent, and its owner wasnt even busted through the feds hacking into the servers. He was brought done by old fashioned surveillance. The sites security measures were air tight, why do you think it managed to stay up so long?




They don't have all their straight info, you're right, but they could possibly investigate into a username to eventually find you online (like they found SR's creator through his online loud-mouth), and I don't ever give law enforcement the benefit of the doubt. Certain users in SR might easily have given up themselves by posting too much personal info as well, but I don't know much about how SR works because I avoided it.

I personally don't think it was up for very long. And "old fashioned" surveillance shouldn't be that hard to get by if you're actively working to keep yourself anonymous, modern surveillance is a lot more refined though (coughNSA). But this guy advertised his anonymous SR service online WITHOUT first making himself anonymous to do so, that in itself seems rather reckless to me.

Sorry 'bout the source discussion earlier mods, still new around here!


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Re: Silk Road, the 'eBay of illegal drugs', busted by the FBI [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] * 2
    #18922533 - 10/02/13 05:23 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

So much misinformation in this thread so I will quote myself from another one:
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It seems like this bust largely stems from the "random" and rather unfortunate discovery of his fake IDs by CBP. Everything else seems to have come to light as a result of that event and probably things seized at the time (apparently including SSH keys that allowed access to at least one SR related server).

From the rest of the evidence we can conclude that tracks at were not covered as well as they could have been at times. But everyone makes mistakes, and unfortunately you can't control content on services owned by other people so even if you cover tracks later there still may be a record. From the complain his security doesn't look too shabby, and it really just looks like LE got very lucky.

I have been stating since the inception of SR that ultimately you are probably misplacing too much trust in vendor security. The SR/Tor/BTC system ultimately shields a vendor more than a user who has to provide a physical address. If vendor security is not extremely tight and does not assume a potential bust everyday then customer data should be expected to eventually fall into LE hands. It would only take some number of transactions for LE to track down all but the most sophisticated vendors given the cooperation of the USPS with LE. Remember the very security conscious vendor who was busted fairly early on? It can happen to even the best.

The legal document suggests at least one case of piss poor vendor security which placed many customers at risk.

When you are public enemy number one (SR) all it takes is one slip-up or even one unfortunate circumstance for everything to come crashing down.

Fortunately Ulbricht seems rather dedicated to "the cause" so I doubt that he cooperated with the Feds except to misdirect them.




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Re: Silk Road, the 'eBay of illegal drugs', busted by the FBI [Re: isolate]
    #18922540 - 10/02/13 05:24 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

Wait wait, a guy made millions of millions of dollars on a site and the site is considered a screw up? :tongue2: He did awesome, he just apparently got sloppy or greedy.

Shorty:peace:


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Re: Silk Road, the 'eBay of illegal drugs', busted by the FBI [Re: Shroomism]
    #18922574 - 10/02/13 05:31 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

Unfortunately, the complaint details private messages and hidden forum messages that were recovered off an image of the SR server. That's really bad news. One of the messages supposedly contained a sample of a vendor customer database that was being used for blackmail against DPR. So it would be safe to assume that those addresses are probably known. This is speculation, but DPR was according to the complaint apparently able to track down the real name and potentially the address of whoever was supposedly blackmailing him indicating that user security was not as high as it should have been and that personal details may have been archived.

In any case, since LE has had an image of the SR server since late July there has been plenty of time to exploit holes in SR security since then and watch transactions, users, and vendors. This has the potential to turn into another Operation WebTryp. Hopefully all vendors are cleaning house with the utmost urgency.


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Re: Silk Road, the 'eBay of illegal drugs', busted by the FBI *DELETED* [Re: naum] * 1
    #18922619 - 10/02/13 05:42 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Silk Road, the 'eBay of illegal drugs', busted by the FBI [Re: Shortknight] * 1
    #18922625 - 10/02/13 05:45 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

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Wait wait, a guy made millions of millions of dollars on a site and the site is considered a screw up? :tongue2: He did awesome, he just apparently got sloppy or greedy.

Shorty:peace:





He didn't do that shit for money, if he did he would have shut it down when the feds made that announcement.  He's going to prison for his ideals, the money was just a bonus.


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Re: Silk Road, the 'eBay of illegal drugs', busted by the FBI [Re: Enlil]
    #18922633 - 10/02/13 05:48 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

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Again, the guy is innocent until proven guilty, but the allegations are that he tried to hire someone to kill a user, and that it was his second time doing this.

I'm glad to see law enforcement earning their pay.  The site allegedly did over a billion in business secretly.  That is a shitload of unpaid taxes that could go to reduce the deficit.







No offense, but that's kind of a dumb argument. The second part, not the first. The first is valid-- however, I suspect that "second" hit was just something dumb he said to better haggle. This is a common technique. Make it look like you can get it cheaper elsewhere-- even if you're full of shit.

I've also seen some speculating that he knew the user redandwhite was in collusion with FriendlyChemist (or was the same person) and that he was just using talk of "a hit" as a pre-text to haggling the price to "make it all go away" down from 500k to 150. Maybe that's true, maybe not. But I definitely don't think a second hit ever took place.


Regarding all those taxes the government missed out on-- it's not like they're going to recoup all of those taxes through forfeiture. Are they even able to get to all his money?


And if that's really a concern, why not just legalize and regulate all drugs? Then, they could collect just about all the taxes, on all drugs?


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Re: Silk Road, the 'eBay of illegal drugs', busted by the FBI [Re: daburghpsychonaut]
    #18922687 - 10/02/13 06:01 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

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Canadian authorities deny the existence of the name passed between the two (DPR and redandwhite).



Ever think that someone who deals drugs on a large scale with ties to organized crime might have been living off the record?

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An unnamed amount of time passes and DPR is caught by an intercepted package from redandwhite containing fake identification. This slip up leads to DPR being revealed as Ross Ulbricht.



It's not clear the fake documents that were intercepted were from redandwhite. You are jumping to conclusions.

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When I see these things together, including more I care not to continue to write out, I am left with a growing suspicion that Ross Ulbricht is the user friendlychemist, and that redandwhite and DPR are the same person. What do you guys think?



No, the subsequent crumbs LE found seem to clearly indicate that Ulbricht is DPR or at least one of the administrators of SR regardless of redandwhite and/or friendlychemist.

Redandwhite/friendly chemist however might have been LE or at least people working in cooperation with LE or more sinisterly SR competition. That's just speculation, but a much more likely scenario than what you proposed. That being said let's keep wild speculation and speculation in general to a minimum in this thread.


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Re: Silk Road, the 'eBay of illegal drugs', busted by the FBI [Re: CidneyIndole] * 4
    #18922691 - 10/02/13 06:02 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

Dread Pirate Roberts wasn't greedy at all. The dude made millions of fucking dollars and he was still subletting a room in somebody's house. That's not exactly living like a baller or anything.

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Re: Silk Road, the 'eBay of illegal drugs', busted by the FBI [Re: Enlil]
    #18922702 - 10/02/13 06:04 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

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So you have never bought weed once in your entire life?
Even if you have never purchased drugs(which I find very hard to believe) if you have taken drugs, someone else bought them without paying taxes and you are still a part of it. and if you have never taken or bought any drugs then WTF are you doing on the shroomery?

And I am pretty sure the reason drug dealers do not pay taxes is not because they think they are exempt form the law, in fact I believe is is totally opposite. they do not pay taxes because they do not want to bring attention to themselves from the government . . .



I've never bought weed...I've never even smoked weed.  I've grown shrooms and used them...

But I already admitted that I was lying about never having participated in a black market transaction.  I did pay taxes on the money earned from those transactions, however....







I'm sorry.. I should have read the entire thread before commenting.

But I do find this somewhat hard to believe. I'm rather curious as to how you paid taxes on those transactions. Can you just anonymously pay tax to the government, no questions asked? (And wouldn't that be risky for one involved in drugs? That is, assuming you're not just sending the IRS cash in an envelope :lol:)


And is that not legally fraud of some sort, if they don't allow this as a matter of policy?


And also, what makes you assume that this money wasn't going to be laundered through some more legal channel?  I mean, if someone puts 10k of illegal money through a legal business, they have to pay taxes on that money, just as they would any real transaction that went through that business, no?


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Re: Silk Road, the 'eBay of illegal drugs', busted by the FBI *DELETED* [Re: naum]
    #18922704 - 10/02/13 06:04 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

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