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Glycerin extraction
    #18921589 - 10/02/13 02:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

So I mixed about .6-.7 of some ground up weed in some glycerin, enough to make a gooey paste and a bit more to make sure all surface area is covered and the weed is completely saturated in the glycerin. I'm going to make a hot water bath and cook glycerin mix in a Pyrex glass for 10-15min at a temp of 270f.

Not the tastiest thing, I'm super amped up so I won't mind just gonna dip some bread in it and force it all down. Just a little experiment I'm doing, wanted to do something ez and different. You guys think this will be a successful extraction?

Will give results after a couple hours after consumption.


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Re: Glycerin extraction [Re: zee007]
    #18921624 - 10/02/13 02:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

you have to cook it for a while don't you?

I remember reading this once before. If this proves successful for you keep this thread going and I'll test it out myself. I just don't have much glycerin to toy with right now, on short supply.

Why wouldn't it work though? Unless you don't apply enough heat or too much then you will have complications, but I'm sure you already knew that. Just be cautious with temperatures of the water and surrounding air and you should be fine.

From the wikipedia article:

Botanical extracts

When utilized in 'tincture' method extractions, specifically as a 10% solution, glycerol prevents tannins from precipitating in ethanol extracts of plants (tinctures). It is also used as an 'alcohol-free' alternative to ethanol as a solvent in preparing herbal extractions. It is less extractive when utilized in a standard tincture methodology. Glycerol is approximately 30% more slowly absorbed by the body resulting in a much lower glycemic load. Alcohol-based tinctures can also have the alcohol removed and replaced with glycerol for its preserving properties. Such products are not 'alcohol-free' in either a scientific or consumable sense, but should in all instances more accurately be referred to as "Alcohol-Removed" products. Fluid extract manufacturers often extract herbs in hot water before adding glycerin to make glycerites.[10][11]

When used as a primary 'true' alcohol-free (e.g. no alcohol (i.e. ethanol) ever being used) botanical extraction solvent in innovative non-tincture based 'dynamic' methodologies, glycerol has been shown to possess a high degree of extractive versatility for botanicals including removal of numerous constituents and complex compounds, with an extractive power that can rival that of alcohol and water/alcohol solutions. That glycerol possess such high extractive power assumes that glycerol, with its tri-atomic structure, is utilized with dynamic methodologies as opposed to standard passive 'tincturing' methodologies that are better suited to alcohol's di-atomic structure. Glycerol possesses the intrinsic property of not denaturing or rendering a botanical's constituents inert (as di-atomic alcohols – i.e. ethanolic (grain) alcohol, methanolic (wood) alcohol, etc., do). Glycerol is a stable preserving agent for botanical extracts that, when utilized in proper concentrations in an extraction solvent base, does not allow inverting or reduction-oxidation of a finished extract's constituents, even over several years. Both glycerol and ethanol are viable preserving agents. Glycerol is bacteriostatic in its action, and ethanol is bactericidal in its action.


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Re: Glycerin extraction [Re: MoxyOx]
    #18921673 - 10/02/13 02:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for the info! I decided I will cook for 25min instead at 170f and add honey for flavor. Glycerin doesn't even boil till around 500+ f so I shouldn't have to worry about it evaporating. Not that you mentioned it but it was something I was conserved about since I'm using such a little amount


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Re: Glycerin extraction [Re: zee007]
    #18921733 - 10/02/13 02:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Update: biggest issue so far is main ting glycerin temp, its hard to get it above 160 in the hot water bath... Keep having to add moar water..

Also, you will need gloves to get temp readings if you want to keep hands..


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Re: Glycerin extraction [Re: zee007]
    #18921781 - 10/02/13 03:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Well if you're adding more water you're making it even more difficult for the heat to transfer properly to the glycerin. Water does take a while to increase in temperature due to its molecular properties so you may want to just heat the water up first to the desired temp., then put the glycerin encasement back onto the water bath. Reduce your heat application to make sure the water stays at whatever desired temp you want it at (170?).


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Re: Glycerin extraction [Re: MoxyOx]
    #18921805 - 10/02/13 03:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Well if you're adding more water you're making it even more difficult for the heat to transfer properly to the glycerin. Water does take a while to increase in temperature due to its molecular properties so you may want to just heat the water up first to the desired temp., then put the glycerin encasement back onto the water bath. Reduce your heat application to make sure the water stays at whatever desired temp you want it at (170?).




The temp of the water doesn't matter it is the temp of the glycerin mixture. It took a good 30min for the glycerin to reach 170f but now temp is increasing fast so I'm playing around a lot with the stove temp.. As for the water cooling issue im adding boiling water to my boiling water using the microwave


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Re: Glycerin extraction [Re: zee007]
    #19762956 - 03/29/14 04:21 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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zee007 said:
So I mixed about .6-.7 of some ground up weed in some glycerin, enough to make a gooey paste and a bit more to make sure all surface area is covered and the weed is completely saturated in the glycerin. I'm going to make a hot water bath and cook glycerin mix in a Pyrex glass for 10-15min at a temp of 270f.

Not the tastiest thing, I'm super amped up so I won't mind just gonna dip some bread in it and force it all down. Just a little experiment I'm doing, wanted to do something ez and different. You guys think this will be a successful extraction?

Will give results after a couple hours after consumption.




if this works it will not work well when working with glycerin you need to place it in a pressure cooker and leave it over night at least double boil with the jar for 6 hrs

if you're looking for something faster try using a hugh potency alcohol like 151

if you want something which I at least think is easier try THC pills and use coconut oil not olive oil or butter


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Re: Glycerin extraction [Re: zee007]
    #19763233 - 03/29/14 07:49 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

You should turn down the temp a bit to


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Re: Glycerin extraction [Re: pk 1993]
    #19763247 - 03/29/14 07:58 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

You could extract into ethanol, then add glycerol to the extract and drive off the ethanol with heat. Glycerol may be too viscous for effective extractions, which is aided greatly by free movement of the solvent.


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Re: Glycerin extraction [Re: koods]
    #19763251 - 03/29/14 08:02 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

What happens if you steam distill marijuana?


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Re: Glycerin extraction [Re: pk 1993]
    #19763357 - 03/29/14 09:07 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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zee007 said:
So I mixed about .6-.7 of some ground up weed in some glycerin, enough to make a gooey paste and a bit more to make sure all surface area is covered and the weed is completely saturated in the glycerin. I'm going to make a hot water bath and cook glycerin mix in a Pyrex glass for 10-15min at a temp of 270f.

Not the tastiest thing, I'm super amped up so I won't mind just gonna dip some bread in it and force it all down. Just a little experiment I'm doing, wanted to do something ez and different. You guys think this will be a successful extraction?

Will give results after a couple hours after consumption.




if this works it will not work well when working with glycerin you need to place it in a pressure cooker and leave it over night at least double boil with the jar for 6 hrs

if you're looking for something faster try using a hugh potency alcohol like 151

if you want something which I at least think is easier try THC pills and use coconut oil not olive oil or butter




That's not true, my glycerin tincture came out fine and worked pretty well


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Re: Glycerin extraction [Re: zee007]
    #19771949 - 03/31/14 06:13 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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Quote:

zee007 said:
So I mixed about .6-.7 of some ground up weed in some glycerin, enough to make a gooey paste and a bit more to make sure all surface area is covered and the weed is completely saturated in the glycerin. I'm going to make a hot water bath and cook glycerin mix in a Pyrex glass for 10-15min at a temp of 270f.

Not the tastiest thing, I'm super amped up so I won't mind just gonna dip some bread in it and force it all down. Just a little experiment I'm doing, wanted to do something ez and different. You guys think this will be a successful extraction?

Will give results after a couple hours after consumption.




if this works it will not work well when working with glycerin you need to place it in a pressure cooker and leave it over night at least double boil with the jar for 6 hrs

if you're looking for something faster try using a hugh potency alcohol like 151

if you want something which I at least think is easier try THC pills and use coconut oil not olive oil or butter




That's not true, my glycerin tincture came out fine and worked pretty well




how Much of it,did You drink its possible to make a .7 last a long time with the pressure cooker and a lower temp, 3.5 gs Will last a strong ,smoker almost a month


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Re: Glycerin extraction [Re: pk 1993]
    #19772118 - 03/31/14 08:00 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

I mean don't you murder the turpines that way?  I was under the impression they start leaving around 180F right?
I just know when I made the most flavorful extractions I never really got them over that temperature.


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Re: Glycerin extraction [Re: zee007]
    #19772311 - 03/31/14 09:11 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Coconut oil is far better IMO. I've never had glycerin based treats that I've been very impressed with.


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Re: Glycerin extraction [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #19772448 - 03/31/14 09:57 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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I mean don't you murder the turpines that way?  I was under the impression they start leaving around 180F right?
I just know when I made the most flavorful extractions I never really got them over that temperature.




your right It dors with a Lower temp It would have ben way more portent im sure


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