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trampis
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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: trampis]
#18924980 - 10/03/13 08:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Saw it in my paper today.
They were saying it was used to sell weaponry, hitmen and ATM hacks.
seems like bullcrap if you ask me the site hasn't been around that long and they pulled that stuff
there were never any hitmen sections either, fucking dumb
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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: Konyap]
#18925010 - 10/03/13 08:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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What paper?
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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: B_BOY]
#18925035 - 10/03/13 09:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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aw11driver said: My mine pool is under attack now.. wtf is going on??
The feds are ddosing all btc sites and hacking ur info from them
Lol could be, mining isnt illegal. It just seems fishy that SR goes down and now mining pools are attacked.
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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: aw11driver]
#18925043 - 10/03/13 09:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah i read where other btc sites were under attack also, trading forums mainly
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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: SurReality]
#18925053 - 10/03/13 09:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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SurReality said: What paper?
I heard it on my local news radio station last night also, seems to be pretty legit
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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: B_BOY]
#18925127 - 10/03/13 09:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've been following this news story out of curiosity and I'm a little confused. From what I've always understood about this, tor made it so that the identities of people using the site were basically anonymous. Why are some people who purchased things on there stressing out now? Just because the person who ran it got caught or because they have their servers, people seem to be acting as if the fundamental workings of tor itself have been compromised.
I get that they apparently have PM's that people sent on that site but still. Wouldn't you have had to send your home address, unencrypted, through a PM on that site for them to have your info? From my understanding, even sending an address unencrypted through the order form automatically encrypted that info.
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trampis
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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: Shpongle1]
#18925148 - 10/03/13 09:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't know the specifics, but if they can obtain information about vendors from what they have, that would be the big blow they need to make this operation effective. I wouldn't imagine going after users is a priority unless they were ordering bulk. It wouldn't be practical to track down someone for allegedly buying a personal amount of stuff. They want the big fish. Still, people are going to be concerned, as they should be. Even if this hadn't occurred, people in the drug community from the small time user to the big time pusher should always be on their toes. This is a war after all. . .
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i]magicbroncoride said: Ulbricht first came to the attention of federal agents in 2011 when they figured out he was "altoid," someone who they say was marketing Silk Road on other drug-related websites the FBI was watching. From an ap article. Means we are being watched huh?
He didn't come to attention because of that post. If you read the indictment they were trying to figure out the exact date the SR started. Upon doing research the oldest mention of silk road on the searchable internet was the "altoid" post.
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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: nooneman]
#18925164 - 10/03/13 09:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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nooneman said: It's possible he was about to bail, and that's why they went ahead now.
But, I think the most likely possibility is that he was a true believer and was determined to go down with the ship. That's the kind of guy he was. A real hero. Man, what a loss.
I doubt he is a true believer. I imagine he had a goal in mind when he started this up and then it exploded and grew way bigger than he ever imagined. At that point the income is almost unimaginable for someone that isn't used to it and it makes it very difficult to give up. Pretty much becomes Breaking Bad syndrome where you just get too big to quit and you get addicted to the rush and drawn into the lifestyle.
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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: freeworld]
#18925170 - 10/03/13 09:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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i]freeworld said: Curious how much bitcoins was in escrow while the products were in route?
The $3.6 million they seized was probably the BTC in escrow. If you read the indictment the SR escrow wallet fluctuated around $2.5M a few months ago so I could see it being about $3.6M constantly now.
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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: Smushroom]
#18925174 - 10/03/13 09:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Smushroom said:
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nooneman said: It's possible he was about to bail, and that's why they went ahead now.
But, I think the most likely possibility is that he was a true believer and was determined to go down with the ship. That's the kind of guy he was. A real hero. Man, what a loss.
I doubt he is a true believer. I imagine he had a goal in mind when he started this up and then it exploded and grew way bigger than he ever imagined. At that point the income is almost unimaginable for someone that isn't used to it and it makes it very difficult to give up. Pretty much becomes Breaking Bad syndrome where you just get too big to quit and you get addicted to the rush and drawn into the lifestyle.
Yeah, I think his true intentions were expressed on his LinkedIn profile, I believe it was. His quote, in big letters, was: "I don't think I'm a millionaire...yet."
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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: Smushroom]
#18925177 - 10/03/13 09:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just a little digging brings up more court orders, and seizures of SR by the government.
http://info.publicintelligence.net/SilkRoadProtectiveOrder.pdf
http://www.scribd.com/doc/172993645/Civil-Forfeiture-Complaint
I'll eat my hat, along with everyone else s if this turns out to be a hoax.
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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: Shpongle1]
#18925187 - 10/03/13 10:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Shpongle1 said: I've been following this news story out of curiosity and I'm a little confused. From what I've always understood about this, tor made it so that the identities of people using the site were basically anonymous. Why are some people who purchased things on there stressing out now? Just because the person who ran it got caught or because they have their servers, people seem to be acting as if the fundamental workings of tor itself have been compromised.
I get that they apparently have PM's that people sent on that site but still. Wouldn't you have had to send your home address, unencrypted, through a PM on that site for them to have your info? From my understanding, even sending an address unencrypted through the order form automatically encrypted that info.
It depends on the type of encryption they used. The Feds to have a backdoor into several encryption schemes (thanks Edward Snowden for confirmation).
As I've said several times in this post, regular buyers/users don't have anything to really worry about. However the Feds may go to the effort to try and track down bulk buyers/sellers hoping to get them to flip on others and also seize assets. The site has always been pretty secure. There are several ways that one could be compromised:
1) DPR gives up a master key to decrypt PMs if he set one and then everything is available to them.
2) People sent PMs with personal info, either address, cell #, email, etc without it getting encrypted. I'm not sure exactly how the contact system on there works.
3) DPR was also conducting business on the site, either buying or selling. The fake ids were evidence that he was a little bit. There is a chance he could have had personal info stored on his computer for his personal orders and they use that to go after people he dealt with personally.
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All are pretty far fetched but all are possible.
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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: funkerdslr]
#18925202 - 10/03/13 10:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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funkerdslr said: Just a little digging brings up more court orders, and seizures of SR by the government.
http://info.publicintelligence.net/SilkRoadProtectiveOrder.pdf
http://www.scribd.com/doc/172993645/Civil-Forfeiture-Complaint
I'll eat my hat, along with everyone else s if this turns out to be a hoax.
I can't get the scribd document to open right now.
I doubt this is a hoax. If someone in San Fran could actually go to the address listed and see if the Feds busted the door in that would go a long way to proof.
Although this could be an interesting way to go out. Pick a random person to pin it on, possibly the guy that as blackmailing SR. Find out his info and use it to publish a fake take down. He would become notorious and would face intense questions.
The #1 biggest question is WTF is DPR's personal wallet? The $3.6M is only the escrow wallet. There has been no mention of DPR's $80M wallet. He could use that as leverage when copping a plea. For $80M the feds will knock a lot of time off our sentence.
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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: Smushroom]
#18925491 - 10/03/13 11:52 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Its a shame DPR went down but he made some stupid mistakes and got himself compromised. The technology has not been compromised. It was totally his own fault for getting caught. Forget SR, the genie was let out of the bottle years ago.
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shopdropper said: I for one am happy its down... get things back to normal like actually going to your local dealer for your party favors.
heroin cut with 50% baking soda, served just the way i like it.
Heroin is not cut with baking soda. An idiot dealer like that would lose customers fast.
Heroin is more commonly cut with mannitol.
And to those saying "See, I told you guize we shouldn't talk about that stuff here!" That's complete BS. And you should read the Affidavit. Posting here had nothing to do with this bust, other than the fact that DPR supposedly, quite stupidly used a throwaway account here to make a forum post, to advertise for SR back when it started, and he used an account with that very same screen name on another site asking for technical information to help him get started (more or less.)
SR was not discussed here extensively until it was all over the mainstream media. If it had not been for those MSM articles, I would be 100% in agreement with you. But once MSM publications start to give a lot of coverage to a site like SR, it is no longer a secret, and the feds are watching it very closely, I assure you.
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I usually feel I'm pretty good at putting myself into hypothetical situations as thought experiments. I've thought about what it would be like to operate a SR like enterprise and the idea's were pretty solid and somewhat along the lines of what DPR did (the good, that made the site practically impenetrable).
However, I've also thought about the "what if" of being completely stupid, wholly uneducated and frankly daft. And that's exactly the type of person DPR ended up being. No master's degree in the world can change a person from being a moron.
It's a shame such a neat concept, viable business model and seemingly flawless execution of said model were all brought down by the foolish mistakes of one man.
Another thing to remember folks, the SilkRoad servers were seized by the FBI long before a lot of things that contributed to their case against Ulbricht were established. This provides, along with the freedom hosting closure, very good reason why services like this need a decentralized model.
Switching server locations once a month could hardly be too difficult. One or two days of downtime to switch everything over every 30-45 days would not hurt the overall market.
I think it's foolhardy to still think that the FBI cannot go to ANY country, regardless of laws, and just seize property related to crime in the U.S. There is no safe haven, you're always compromised, the only way to win is to be one step ahead.
Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not a tech. person by my nature and I may be misunderstood on how these things can be handled.
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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: QT3BFLEE]
#18925785 - 10/03/13 01:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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This article is depressing, I can't believe its real, I thought it was gonna be another bullshit "we almost got them" article.
Well...no question about it, shroomery is on the watch list. I bet there is at least one fed among us in here now 
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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: QT3BFLEE]
#18925789 - 10/03/13 01:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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So do you think they will go after buyers?
Silk Road and its many many copycat websites are good because there is a lot of competition so prices are lower. Also with all the peer reviews the product is better and safer. Also nobody gets their head chopped off over a turf war. Like it or not, these websites reduce all the other crime associated with the drug trade.
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