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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: freeworld]
    #18925856 - 10/03/13 01:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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freeworld said:
Silk Road and its many many copycat websites are good because there is a lot of competition so prices are lower.





You should get a career doing stand-up comedy, because that's some funny shit you just said.


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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: QT3BFLEE]
    #18925878 - 10/03/13 01:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I think it's foolhardy to still think that the FBI cannot go to ANY country, regardless of laws, and just seize property related to crime in the U.S. There is no safe haven, you're always compromised, the only way to win is to be one step ahead.





They FBI didn't seize the servers, they got the hosting company via whatever country it was in's law enforcement to give them a clone/copy of everything on it.

There are multiple issues with hosting illegal websites. The countries that tend not to honor request by the US government don't have the internet infrastructure to host large, complex, and frequently visited sites like SR. Also since it was behind Tor there was already a lot of lag because of the info bouncing around various proxies between you and the site. If it were hosted in a 3rd world country it would be so slow people would get frustrated. Most people prefer simplicity and being ignorant about their safety over actual safety.

SR had to host some complex scripts on its site to tumble the bitcoins so transactions aren't traceable as well as to remain somewhat anonymous and encrypted. This requires being hosted on servers that are capable of running those scripts. Most of the hosting companies that are capable of that are ran for legitimate purposes and require proof of identity to host there (thus DPR buying fake IDs). Trying to find new hosting companies constantly presents tons of issues and would be a full time job.

The most practical solution would be to physically rent a space, rent a connection, and physically host the site yourself in the country of your choosing. This requires actually travelling to the country and also being there to troubleshoot problems. Or hiring someone you trust to do it. Very expensive and time consuming. SR could have afforded it recently but not in he beginning and the beginning is where they got screwed.


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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: freeworld]
    #18925884 - 10/03/13 01:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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freeworld said:
So do you think they will go after buyers?





Did you read any of this thread? There has been quite a bit of discussion already.

Short answer: No


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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #18925886 - 10/03/13 01:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

This thread is going to be way easier to follow if I just post to subscribe. I don't think the effects of this are as significant as people are making it out to be. I was a big fan of DPR though, sad to see him go.


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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: bryguy27007] * 1
    #18925964 - 10/03/13 01:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Wow, this is the first time I have ever seen a thread getting as big as this in the news service subforum. Kind of disappointing actually, considering some of the articles posted in the subforum about the atrocities committed in the war on drugs.

I mean this is just an online drug marketplace. There's still drugs on the streets and soon other drug ebays will become as popular as silk road. The genie is out of the bottle on this one.


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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #18925972 - 10/03/13 01:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Samuel L Jackson said:
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freeworld said:
Silk Road and its many many copycat websites are good because there is a lot of competition so prices are lower.





You should get a career doing stand-up comedy, because that's some funny shit you just said.




Thank you@!


There are 1000 other sites doing the same shit with btc right now; business as usual. IF SR went down, it would take, what, 2% of the product available on TOR sites off of the market?

Great job DEA *high five*


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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: Lord_McLovin]
    #18925987 - 10/03/13 01:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Lord_McLovin said:
Wow, this is the first time I have ever seen a thread getting as big as this in the news service subforum. Kind of disappointing actually, considering some of the articles posted in the subforum about the atrocities committed in the war on drugs.

I mean this is just an online drug marketplace. There's still drugs on the streets and soon other drug ebays will become as popular as silk road. The genie is out of the bottle on this one.




no, there are, and have been, a thousand different sites "like" SR since SR entered the scene. they are a drop of water in the bucket. only reason they got caught? Maybe the pirates mouth, maybe because people actually talked about the site where they shouldent :smile:

Believe me, anyone who buys online via  tor can and is doing so as we speak. SR going down means nothing at all.


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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
    #18926005 - 10/03/13 01:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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LongStrangeTrip said:
Quote:

Lord_McLovin said:
Wow, this is the first time I have ever seen a thread getting as big as this in the news service subforum. Kind of disappointing actually, considering some of the articles posted in the subforum about the atrocities committed in the war on drugs.

I mean this is just an online drug marketplace. There's still drugs on the streets and soon other drug ebays will become as popular as silk road. The genie is out of the bottle on this one.




no, there are, and have been, a thousand different sites "like" SR since SR entered the scene. they are a drop of water in the bucket. only reason they got caught? Maybe the pirates mouth, maybe because people actually talked about the site where they shouldent :smile:

Believe me, anyone who buys online via  tor can and is doing so as we speak. SR going down means nothing at all.




Haha so true.  Well said down from the first to the last sentence.


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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: Shpongle1] * 1
    #18926180 - 10/03/13 02:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i definitely think SR is more than a drop of water in a buck lol. there were step by step instructions on youtube on how to buy shit on there.

anything else takes effort, and i only know about 5% of drug users in person who use effort. and i know more the 5% of drug users in person who use the silk road.


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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: Shpongle1]
    #18926187 - 10/03/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

This is so sad, a young man will rot in jail for the rest of his life for inventing something so great and powerful that challenged the billions of dollars invested in the war on drugs, all from his own personal computer. This guy should be employed by Google and treated like a hero.


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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: NicoCL]
    #18926190 - 10/03/13 02:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

he probably would have been if he didn't hire a hitman.


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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: SurReality]
    #18926225 - 10/03/13 02:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'm actually surprised that the Feds didn't draw up RICO on him. Only takes 3 underlying felonies linked to a criminal enterprise to charge them with it and they listed at least 3 in the indictment, consp. to commit murder, consp. to traffic narcotics, money laundering.


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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
    #18926602 - 10/03/13 04:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Indeed. SR going down means nothing. teh Dark interwebs is more than alive and well.
Poor DPR. Quite genious yet went down over some dumbass mistakes.


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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: Sillyputty67]
    #18926701 - 10/03/13 04:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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malicom said:
I ordered some benzo's and some nbomes. Im not worried. Im sure they have bigger fish to fry. Like OMG xanax, and an unscheduled RC. Oh my...





:facepalm:

Nbomes are unscheduled RCs.  Learn about the drugs you're dealing with, please.


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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #18926725 - 10/03/13 04:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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lifeiswhatyoumake said:
Quote:

malicom said:
I ordered some benzo's and some nbomes. Im not worried. Im sure they have bigger fish to fry. Like OMG xanax, and an unscheduled RC. Oh my...





:facepalm:


Learn reading comprehension
Nbomes are unscheduled RCs.  Learn about the drugs you're dealing with, please.



Learn reading comprehension


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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: dark3st]
    #18926735 - 10/03/13 05:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Now I see it.
I think it'd be better if malicom was portrayed his thoughts with better grammar.


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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #18926753 - 10/03/13 05:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Samuel L Jackson said:
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freeworld said:
Silk Road and its many many copycat websites are good because there is a lot of competition so prices are lower.





You should get a career doing stand-up comedy, because that's some funny shit you just said.




What about Obama?


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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #18926840 - 10/03/13 05:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Now I see it.
I think it'd be better if malicom was portrayed his thoughts with better grammar.




I'm really not trying to get this thread too far off track but I really didn't see anything wrong or unclear in malicom's statement. I wouldn't have said anything if you didn't get aggressive/defensive when somebody pointed out your error.


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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: bryguy27007]
    #18926974 - 10/03/13 05:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

This thread...



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- "Drugs and Drug Policy: The Control of Consciousness Alteration, 2007.


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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: bryguy27007] * 1
    #18926990 - 10/03/13 05:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

A lot of people are saying that its DPR's fault that he got busted and they seem to think he should have anticipated it. I have to play devil's advocate here and say that I think it was an honest mistake that 99% of other people in the same situation would have made.

I imagine when DPR came up with the idea for SR he had no clue how big it would become. I am sure his first thoughts were "This is an awesome idea, I'm going to post on some BTC forums and ask about programming ideas". He then used his real email to register for a forum to ask about programming advice.

Once SR started up he seems to have been very cautious in terms of online security. In any normal scale investigation the Feds would never go to the lengths of linking a random post about a programming question to the creating of a major drug market. However as SR got huge and got major media attention it put the pressure on the Feds to basically look for even the smallest of clues and thus they found the link.

I haven't went to the trouble of finding his post on bitcointalk so I don't know exactly what he ask about but I imagine it wasn't incriminating enough to draw any attention. Just so happens that after the fact it probably filled in a piece to the gov's puzzle.


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