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    #18919918 - 10/02/13 08:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Christians and the bible [Re: TrentBoyett] * 1
    #18919924 - 10/02/13 08:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

In lieu of its supposed hindrance to societal and scientific advancement, we seem to be doing okay.
You're not the first to bring this up, you won't be the last, and this thread is still utterly pointless.


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Re: Christians and the bible [Re: something super extreme]
    #18919932 - 10/02/13 08:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You and I are pointless, though, so who cares?

Why don't you go to some other place where they don't
rehash old topics time to time, like 9gag?


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Re: Christians and the bible [Re: something super extreme]
    #18919936 - 10/02/13 08:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Christians and the bible [Re: TrentBoyett]
    #18919940 - 10/02/13 08:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The idea that the meanings of things in the Bible are open to interpretation dates back to before Christianity, Jewish scholars were constantly debating this stuff. Insisting on absolute literalism must be exhausting.


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Re: Christians and the bible [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #18919943 - 10/02/13 08:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

A quick search and you could pull up an endless number of similar or identical threads. Every possible insight and opinion in regards to this topic has been beaten to death, exhumed, resurrected, and beaten some more.
OP just wants to demonstrate what a profound and insightful free-thinker he is with his unorthodox thoughts and nonconformist opinions.
So, like I said, entirely pointless.


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Re: Christians and the bible [Re: something super extreme] * 1
    #18919956 - 10/02/13 08:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

So what?

Everyone deserves to think things out on their own, with their own words and other people.

Personally the god debate shit is a worn out topic for me, and it bores me
to ever living hell.


but, At one point the topic was new to you, also.


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Re: Christians and the bible [Re: something super extreme]
    #18919964 - 10/02/13 08:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

its entirety possible that when trying to write down the words of god, stuff gets lost in "translation" i mean, god has to use their language, and human language is probably pretty limited compared to how god must think

so i think its pretty easy to understand the bible isnt perfect

and it isnt all the word of god, sometimes its depicts the life of the first priests and histories like that


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Re: Christians and the bible [Re: hidenseek1] * 1
    #18919969 - 10/02/13 08:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

So why would God give us something difficult to translate?
That example makes god out to either be

A. An idiot

b. Malevolent

or

C. not real.

Although I identify with atheism the most

I always had fun that imagining if god did exist,
hed be evil as fuck.


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Re: Christians and the bible [Re: psi]
    #18919974 - 10/02/13 08:36 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Good point

nobody can see the truth fully....

and the bible is open to interpretation

our bodies are the temple of god, so we should appreciate our bodies
but our soul is the most holy gift we have... should be appreciated more than our bodies...

how do we appreciate our bodies?

I'd say, live in moderation, love it/appreciate it, don't destroy it with drugs all the time(don't be careless about it), honor your parents by not destroying your body/soul, spread love to others by loving yourself/your body (if you love/accept yourself you love others) i.e.

but some think appreciating our bodies is about watching porn, having lots of sex with strangers, doing all kinds of drugs :wink:


that's the thing about the bible, every person reads it differently
gods love can't be put into words, it can only be experienced from within when you try your best to do things right

I'm sure nobody here interprets the above exactly like me
Christianity is the learning to love/worship god, it doesn't happen from one day to the next by knowing gods words, for you can never understand without living by them
you have to live by gods words

I think there is a lot of truth in the bible, mostly truths...
haven't read it all though... don't even have one
but I believe in God and that giving is better than receiving, there are many ways to worship god

play guitar for peace, make others happy, love yourself(don't be careless about yourself, but love every part of yourself), love others, accept others and never judge, forgive etc.
(do what brings happiness to others and yourself, stop doing what makes you unhappy)

btw I'm not holy myself ;P
I don't live 100% by gods words all the time, but I try my best to...
when I get old I hope to... one day, because I know it is the truth

peace


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Re: Christians and the bible [Re: lessismore] * 1
    #18919976 - 10/02/13 08:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I agree, God's love cannot be put into words
Which makes the bible useless.


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Re: Christians and the bible [Re: hidenseek1] * 1
    #18919977 - 10/02/13 08:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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its entirety possible that when trying to write down the words of god, stuff gets lost in "translation" i mean, god has to use their language, and human language is probably pretty limited compared to how god must think

so i think its pretty easy to understand the bible isnt perfect

and it isnt all the word of god, sometimes its depicts the life of the first priests and histories like that




Yeah I think the Hebrew parts were written down with no vowels, so in certain cases it's not even certain which word was meant.


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Re: Christians and the bible [Re: psi]
    #18919998 - 10/02/13 08:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Yeah I think the Hebrew parts were written down with no vowels, so in certain cases it's not even certain which word was meant.





i didnt mean literal translation, although that is a good point, lots of the hebrew has been supposedly misinterpreted, i think people really fluent in hebrew point out the differences, i seen an article about that

i meant more like if a god was carry the message, it must be frustrating, to all knowing, almost psychic per se, and have to leave the right message with a human language

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I agree, God's love cannot be put into words
Which makes the bible useless.




i think its almost great the bible is like how  it is, because you can take any passage and explain your own meaning for it, its a great tool for priest to write sermons with

i see priest (or at least most of them) with positive values and trying to spread helpful thought out to people, 2 different priest, because of personality/values/experiences, can take the same passage, and add their own meaning to it


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Re: Christians and the bible [Re: hidenseek1]
    #18920003 - 10/02/13 08:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

psi said:


Yeah I think the Hebrew parts were written down with no vowels, so in certain cases it's not even certain which word was meant.





i didnt mean literal translation, although that is a good point, lots of the hebrew has been supposedly misinterpreted, i think people really fluent in hebrew point out the differences, i seen an article about that

i meant more like if a god was carry the message, it must be frustrating, to all knowing, almost psychic per se, and have to leave the right message with a human language

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Apollyphelion said:
I agree, God's love cannot be put into words
Which makes the bible useless.




i think its almost great the bible is like how  it is, because you can take any passage and explain your own meaning for it, its a great tool for priest to write sermons with

i see priest (or at least most of them) with positive values and trying to spread helpful thought out to people, 2 different priest, because of personality/values/experiences, can take the same passage, and add their own meaning to it



Helpful thought? That really depends on your perception of helpful


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Re: Christians and the bible [Re: Fire is Born]
    #18920037 - 10/02/13 08:57 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The bible is a book written by man, so who cares about the interpretations?


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Re: Christians and the bible [Re: qman]
    #18920050 - 10/02/13 09:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

the bible is a greatest hits album of pagan religions,  written by people about people theyd never met.


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Re: Christians and the bible [Re: qman]
    #18920052 - 10/02/13 09:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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i see priest (or at least most of them) with positive values and trying to spread helpful thought out to people, 2 different priest, because of personality/values/experiences, can take the same passage, and add their own meaning to it
"

agree, it makes it possible to learn from each others life experiences

the priest saying how he interprets the bible in his own life

and the other people quickly realizing he is right in what he is saying likely


it is easy to see if a person loves god
because he will radiate that love


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Re: Christians and the bible [Re: qman]
    #18920056 - 10/02/13 09:05 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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The bible is a book written by man, so who cares about the interpretations?




By that metric, no books are worth interpreting.


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Re: Christians and the bible [Re: TrentBoyett]
    #18920075 - 10/02/13 09:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I personally don't like the WBC and if they ever came around my area I'd go counter-protest them, but as Christians how can you not like them?




Jesus taught that you should be led by love and compassion and that you should let God do the judging.

WBC is in utter violation of that, they are led by hate  (GOD HATES *insert half the dictionary*), intolerance and are highly judgemental.

The Old Testament (the early bible books like Leviticus)  were more intended for the olden times and then came the New Testament, gospels based on the teachings of Jesus, and those cast a new light on the interpretation for the new time.

WBC in many things clings onto the OT teachings and ignores the fundamental emphasis Jesus (NT) gave it.

They're religious trolls, addicted to their cult and all the attention it gets.


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Re: Christians and the bible [Re: Asante]
    #18920099 - 10/02/13 09:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Has anyone ever read "living biblically"


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Re: Christians and the bible [Re: psi]
    #18920134 - 10/02/13 09:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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psi said:
Quote:

qman said:
The bible is a book written by man, so who cares about the interpretations?




By that metric, no books are worth interpreting.




Well, trying to interpret with the mindset that the bible is the "word of god" is different than interpreting a great writer.


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Re: Christians and the bible [Re: qman]
    #18920164 - 10/02/13 09:43 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

try reading the bible by what fits your own experience

because then you can see the truth that you know


the truth that I know is moderation is important (don't live by desires)
and giving is better than receiving often (help others)
and never judge (practice acceptance, forgiveness)

the koran teaches the same thing, help others is the best way to be happy and please god (most muslims know this)


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Re: Christians and the bible [Re: qman]
    #18920209 - 10/02/13 09:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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qman said:
Quote:

psi said:
Quote:

qman said:
The bible is a book written by man, so who cares about the interpretations?




By that metric, no books are worth interpreting.




Well, trying to interpret with the mindset that the bible is the "word of god" is different than interpreting a great writer.




For sure. The Bible can also be taken as one might a work of philosophy or fiction though, taking what meaning you can from it personally and not worrying too much about having the "correct" intended interpretation. Debate over supernatural origins aside, it's been a very influential book to Western culture and is definitely of value in understanding it.


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