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OfflineBlack_Sunset
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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: TheSillyStudent] * 1
    #18910840 - 09/30/13 11:21 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Could anybody help explain how psychedelics heal you? I'm not sure I really understand





They don't literally heal you. They shed layers of mental barriers allowing the user clearer access to their core self. This new perspective of uninhibited thought can bring clarity to personal issues with hard work and goal setting. Therefore, they are a tool for healing.


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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: Black_Sunset]
    #18911403 - 09/30/13 01:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Also, they alt-tab you from your regular train of thoughts and habits, to a fresh way of thinking about things, and from that new place you find new definitions for you, your problems, your whole world.

For quite some hours you have warmth and love and caring and confidence, that help you accept and also face your problems (internally) from a much better place. You can actually do what the AA people talk about: change the things you can, accept the things you can't, and actually know the difference.

Take'em if you have'em, you can't be told what the mushroom matrix is, you have to connect for yourself and experience the awesome.


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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: Spacerific]
    #18912029 - 09/30/13 04:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I think psilocybin mushrooms can heal people. Before I encountered them I was very insecure and depressed, periodically wanting to die. It wasn't always like this though and after experiencing psilocybin mushrooms I realized that the last few years had actually been really weird. I wasn't even aware of the way I was feeling until whatever was wrong was gone or healed. I now feel like I have for most of my life and can't even describe the way I felt. I lost the ability to feel. I questioned why I couldn't cry for things, why I couldn't feel empathy. I wanted to die even though I KNEW that I had an awesome life with people who love me. It was completely irrational. When I looked into the mirror I LITERALLY saw an ugly person. Now I see a beautiful person in the mirror and always smile as a result. I can feel empathy again and actually care. For this I am thankful


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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: TheSillyStudent]
    #18913684 - 09/30/13 10:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Hey everybody, this is my first post. For the past few months I have gotten interested with spiritual subjects as well as psychedelics. I have never done any psychedelics yet (unless MDMA counts). I have had a lot of really negative self-esteem for the last seven years of my life, partially stemming from a lot of social issues in early high school. I went through a break up last year which really affected me. I often have a really hard time motivating myself to do anything and have an insane amount of self criticism. I have heard that psilocybin can help with anxiety/depression but that it can also enhance it. I would like to figure out how to overcome my internal issues and am wondering whether a mushroom experience would help or actually hurt me. Ever since I went to EDC and took four points of molly and smoked a joint I've had a lot of really pessimistic views of the world and I can't decide if they're legitimate fears or paranoid delusions. What do y'all think? Would shrooms help or hurt?




More than likely help.  It doesn't really sound like you need "healing" even though that's a popular idea in this culture.  What you need is more like positivity, and that's something you'll get from your first ecstatic trip.  Don't underestimate the power of mushrooms to serve as motivators, they will and can lift you right out of your rut, with their ability to show you truth in your own life.  It seems rare IME to find them enhancing anxiety (at least not past the comeup), and they generally do a number on depression for me, provided the dose is sufficient to experience a full blown trip.  Less than that isn't as effective, although there are reports from people finding it helpful.  You might have to just try and see.

You can always start small, and that's what I recommend.  Then ramp it up as you become comfortable.  The mushrooms aren't going away anytime soon. :thumbup:

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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #18913855 - 09/30/13 11:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

OP, here is the end result:



and here is the awesome magical process:



Lemon tek yourself a nice glass, make peace with your gods and :cheers:


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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: Black_Sunset]
    #18914410 - 10/01/13 02:25 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Black_Sunset said:
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TheSillyStudent said:
Could anybody help explain how psychedelics heal you? I'm not sure I really understand





They don't literally heal you. They shed layers of mental barriers allowing the user clearer access to their core self. This new perspective of uninhibited thought can bring clarity to personal issues with hard work and goal setting. Therefore, they are a tool for healing.




what do you mean "they don't literally heal you"?
For a start, what is 'shedding layers of mental barriers allowing the user clearer access to their core self' NOT healing according to you. What is literal healing mean for you?


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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: zzripz]
    #18914497 - 10/01/13 03:13 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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zzripz said:
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Black_Sunset said:
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TheSillyStudent said:
Could anybody help explain how psychedelics heal you? I'm not sure I really understand





They don't literally heal you. They shed layers of mental barriers allowing the user clearer access to their core self. This new perspective of uninhibited thought can bring clarity to personal issues with hard work and goal setting. Therefore, they are a tool for healing.




what do you mean "they don't literally heal you"?
For a start, what is 'shedding layers of mental barriers allowing the user clearer access to their core self' NOT healing according to you. What is literal healing mean for you?




I can only speak for myself, but if Black Sunset means what I think he means, then I have to agree.

Mushrooms don't heal you, but they can teach you how to heal yourself. Something like that?
That has been my experience, anyway.


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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: Turtletotem]
    #18915204 - 10/01/13 09:19 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

^agreed.

Tripping itself will not heal you. Facing down issues and worries in your life can. Tripping can help make help bring these concerns to the forefront of your mind, and allow you to view them from a new perspective.

This involves thought and effort though. Hiding from concerns can end up with a negative trip, ignoring them can be a fun trip. There are many ways it can go but I definitely agree that tripping can be used as a tool for healing.


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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: TheSillyStudent]
    #18915265 - 10/01/13 09:35 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Actually (:lol:) mushrooms are incredible healers, particularly considering the direct spiritual access they allow.  If you don't know this or haven't experienced it you haven't gone deep enough, no offense. :shrug:

Nothing wrong with using them to confront and resolve issues in your life, but that's really only the beginning. :awesomenod:

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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #18915315 - 10/01/13 09:51 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Fair play, I will certainly bow to your experience on that one.


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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: paulhogandog]
    #18915557 - 10/01/13 10:52 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Ah gee, it wasn't directed at you personally, I just replied to the thread at large...  And I entirely agree with you, it's just that there's another level to it as well. :thumbup:

:peace:PS

PS fixed reply


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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #18915603 - 10/01/13 11:03 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

My view was pretty pessimistic from smoking weed everyday (up to 1/8th a day skunk)

especially when I stopped, for a while after

lsd/shrooms helped me find my soul, especially lsd....

try getting some good lsd... it's priceless

shrooms can sometimes give bad trips, lsd never does

shrooms are just as good if you can avoid the bad trips...
(eat them as chocolates for good trip.... no taste, no nausea, no bad trip)

surround yourself by nature and psytrance


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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: Black_Sunset]
    #18915614 - 10/01/13 11:06 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Black_Sunset said:
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TheSillyStudent said:
Could anybody help explain how psychedelics heal you? I'm not sure I really understand





They don't literally heal you. They shed layers of mental barriers allowing the user clearer access to their core self. This new perspective of uninhibited thought can bring clarity to personal issues with hard work and goal setting. Therefore, they are a tool for healing.




They can also strip everything away from you that you created against yourself if you go far enough (egodeath)

but then if you make it from there depends on your earlier life, current life situation, environment (actually I don't think it depends on anything... you will not remember your earlier life... there is only NOW... reborn)

it helped me, but it is a complete reset of everything you know
seeing yourself and your world from new, would only recommend it

shrooms can do it too on 3-5g chocolates often

reset brain, remember who you are

that and nature+psytrance helped me find myself

....but before you go ther eyou must have some solid experience with psychedelics IMO
I had 100 trips before it happened suddenly
the trips help you let go of any fear each time, until you got hardly any fear left
take high doses of lsd (3 hits always after your initial few trips), easier to let go of fear then


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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: Turtletotem]
    #18915705 - 10/01/13 11:26 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Turtletotem said:
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zzripz said:
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Black_Sunset said:
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TheSillyStudent said:
Could anybody help explain how psychedelics heal you? I'm not sure I really understand





They don't literally heal you. They shed layers of mental barriers allowing the user clearer access to their core self. This new perspective of uninhibited thought can bring clarity to personal issues with hard work and goal setting. Therefore, they are a tool for healing.




what do you mean "they don't literally heal you"?
For a start, what is 'shedding layers of mental barriers allowing the user clearer access to their core self' NOT healing according to you. What is literal healing mean for you?




I can only speak for myself, but if Black Sunset means what I think he means, then I have to agree.

Mushrooms don't heal you, but they can teach you how to heal yourself. Something like that?
That has been my experience, anyway.





Exactly. Here's an analogy: You break your arm and get an x-ray to see what's wrong. The x-ray doesn't heal you but it does show exactly what and where the fractures are. The doctor uses the insight from the x-ray to heal you


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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: Black_Sunset]
    #18916590 - 10/01/13 02:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Does is give you insight on how to fix the problems, or just shows you them?


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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: Black_Sunset]
    #18916801 - 10/01/13 03:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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They don't literally heal you. They shed layers of mental barriers allowing the user clearer access to their core self. This new perspective of uninhibited thought can bring clarity to personal issues with hard work and goal setting. Therefore, they are a tool for healing.



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Black_Sunset said:
Exactly. Here's an analogy: You break your arm and get an x-ray to see what's wrong. The x-ray doesn't heal you but it does show exactly what and where the fractures are. The doctor uses the insight from the x-ray to heal you




You won't understand until you eat the mushrooms sillystudent


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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: Black_Sunset]
    #18919491 - 10/02/13 02:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Black_Sunset said:





I can only speak for myself, but if Black Sunset means what I think he means, then I have to agree.

Mushrooms don't heal you, but they can teach you how to heal yourself. Something like that?
That has been my experience, anyway.





Exactly. Here's an analogy: You break your arm and get an x-ray to see what's wrong. The x-ray doesn't heal you but it does show exactly what and where the fractures are. The doctor uses the insight from the x-ray to heal you





ooops x-rays can potentially harm you. they are radiation!
Of course I understand how they can show you stuff, but.....health is complex. In the western model they look at you as a biochemical machine which has symptoms. This mechanistic model rarely --if at all--looks at causes of dis-ease. In fact it is such a Big Business now which functions in a capitalist model, and so wants to increase profits and expand its empire and so this will mean not WANTING to explore root causes of illness and rather maintain illness, and by doing this can have you taking their drugs for the rest of your life. And lots of these drugs have killed people, and/or have 'side effects' which are harmful and then are treated as other diseases that need drugs. So you have old people on a cupboard full of drugs.

WHY is it that this massive medical industry is not allowed and/or refuses to use natural organic plants for healing, and demands that food is not medicine. Why is it that hashish oil which is purported by non-mainstream research to cure cancer is prohibited?


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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: zzripz]
    #18919847 - 10/02/13 07:34 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)



that one will heal you, if you eat 4g mushrooms , or take 3 hits of LSD :-)

try it, I promise

but work your way up if you are unsure about the dose, start with 1½ hit of lsd first trip and 2.5-3g mushrooms i.e.


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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: lessismore]
    #18919908 - 10/02/13 08:08 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I think it is the intention that counts.

If taken with the intent to heal, every resulting trip (good/bad/in between) will be significant and interpreted from the intention of healing.

I had not taken mushrooms for three years and recently started taking them again as I lost my old, happy self and had become depressed.

One of the trips was utter madness and hell and showed me what it is like to be truly anxious, truly desperate, truly uncertain, etc. All the things that bothered me were taken to the absolute extreme.

It was in fact very healing as I could realise that I was in fact OK. Everything could be far, far worse. Yes, I was depressed, but it was not nearly as bad as the shroom experience showed me it could be. It instilled confidence. I could overcome this. I have taken the action needed to overcome the depression and largely hold the shrooms responsible for kick starting my recovery.

If your intentions are right, you will be served.

God/the Universe/Psychedelics work in mysterious ways.


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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: GoldenEye]
    #18919917 - 10/02/13 08:13 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I think it is the intention that counts.

If taken with the intent to heal, every resulting trip (good/bad/in between) will be significant and interpreted from the intention of healing.

I had not taken mushrooms for three years and recently started taking them again as I lost my old, happy self and had become depressed.

One of the trips was utter madness and hell and showed me what it is like to be truly anxious, truly desperate, truly uncertain, etc. All the things that bothered me were taken to the absolute extreme.

It was in fact very healing as I could realise that I was in fact OK. Everything could be far, far worse. Yes, I was depressed, but it was not nearly as bad as the shroom experience showed me it could be. It instilled confidence. I could overcome this. I have taken the action needed to overcome the depression and largely hold the shrooms responsible for kick starting my recovery.

If your intentions are right, you will be served.

God/the Universe/Psychedelics work in mysterious ways.




Yes! That's great man, really great.
They did the same for me.
Sacred medicine, I call them!


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