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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Psilocypher]
    #18919788 - 10/02/13 07:11 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The Mayans chewed/soaked Salvia a bit like tobacco.


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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Psilocypher]
    #18919805 - 10/02/13 07:19 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't think the Mazatec Shamans ever used torch lighters, so I guess that clears it up.
But please can you answer my other questions about auditory hallucinations?

Cheers!



Well Mazatec shamans don't smoke it, they just chew it as far as I know, so that doesn't really clear anything. If you smoke it, there's a way to get more bang out of your leaf, and some of us think hellfire torches are it. Do your own testing, as I said the debate's still open, different people take different sides on it.

I've done only a little tripping in silence, and for me they were more boring, literally less content per minute, less stuff was taking place before me. I've had trips when I was chanting something, I started to chant before it kicked in, and the chanting from my throat indeed shifted to very "out there" sounds, but not intelligible words at all.

If you're the experimenting type and want to "talk" to whatever's out there, IMO your best way is a keyboard. It's the only fine motor skill that I found to be unaffected. You type full speed, well at least "something" is typing with your hands, it's not quite you because it talks about you and refers to you by name, like "Psilocypher will like this when he's back" and such. Clearly not your current identity.

I've thought about this, Salvia is a new plant in our pharmacopea, it's "talked" only for a short time with us as a species, and one other thing Mazatec shamans don't have is keyboards. It cuts your voice, you can't talk during the trip, you can't write or draw because your fingers are completely retarded as far as pens are concerned, typing directly on keyboards is the only unaffected skill, the only open communication channel in real time.

So if you're looking for novel info that couldn't have come to light in any other way yet, smoke eyes open, before a computer monitor, with a messenger open with a friend on the other side. Blank notepad doesn't work nearly as well, because there's no real entity to communicate with, nobody actively listening. Back when I was doing this I had a setup where I would stand at my computer, it was a very tall table (like a bar) with no chair to sit on, so this would force me to lock into this standing position, lock eyes with the monitor and keep that channel stable. Other times when I tried it sitting on a chair, I would quickly drift, let myself fall to one side maybe, lose interest in the screen and no typing would get done.

The text logs from those explorations were quite a thing to read once back again, to see where I ended and the "visitor" took over, or when one visitor changed into another.


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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Tripsurfer]
    #18919818 - 10/02/13 07:25 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Hmmm, you are correct...
Why you should NOT smoke Salvia

Right that's it, I'm getting a plant. I want to try it the proper way. Anyone fancy sending me a cutting or two in the post? I will pay you with good vibes :inlove3:
Or fake money if you would prefer.


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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Spacerific]
    #18919846 - 10/02/13 07:34 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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If you're the experimenting type and want to "talk" to whatever's out there, IMO your best way is a keyboard. It's the only fine motor skill that I found to be unaffected. You type full speed, well at least "something" is typing with your hands, it's not quite you because it talks about you and refers to you by name, like "Psilocypher will like this when he's back" and such. Clearly not your current identity.





I don't want to talk to whatever's out there. I was just wondering if it is common to hear voices like I did the first time I tried it.
I've only smoked it about 4 or 5 times, and it only happened the first time. But that was definitely the strongest dose, as I wasn't expecting it to do much (with it being legal), so I took 3 massive hits.


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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Psilocypher]
    #18919925 - 10/02/13 08:18 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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If you're the experimenting type and want to "talk" to whatever's out there, IMO your best way is a keyboard. It's the only fine motor skill that I found to be unaffected. You type full speed, well at least "something" is typing with your hands, it's not quite you because it talks about you and refers to you by name, like "Psilocypher will like this when he's back" and such. Clearly not your current identity.





I don't want to talk to whatever's out there. I was just wondering if it is common to hear voices like I did the first time I tried it.
I've only smoked it about 4 or 5 times, and it only happened the first time. But that was definitely the strongest dose, as I wasn't expecting it to do much (with it being legal), so I took 3 massive hits.



Wish I would have heard the same, but so far I've never had OVE's or auditory hallucinations from anything. The Ayahuasca adds a slight modulation to sounds, like you hum one continuous note and you hear a wawah modulating oscillating tone with several layers of overtones above it, but there's no river of ghost voices showing up or anything. Or maybe I just didn't take the right dose yet :lol:


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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Psilocypher]
    #18920995 - 10/02/13 12:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I definitely heard a very powerful voice loud and clear. it was like god speaking to me.


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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Spacerific]
    #19100647 - 11/07/13 01:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Just reading your guide because you had linked to it in another thread. Salvia scares me bro. Not sure what it is. To be controlled by an "entity" is too far for me. This whole others idea coming in and the people staring... how do you get over that?

I had/have an immense fear of demons and the dark. Being alone in the dark leads to anxiety and such when I let it take over. As I grow older, it fades quickly but still, it feels sometimes as if the dark is an entity of itself waiting for me to sleep.

I have gone irrational on marijuana for example. Maybe I have something else that needs to be resolved first but I know when I first started smoking, marijuana was great. I'd play xbox late at night or whatever, smoke and come home to a house of my pastor and his wife (dad and mom) and have no problems. Then suddenly, one day, it was like it changed. I'd hear fire in the house. Cries of my mom weeping of smoking. I'd go into the kitchen to investigate and hear both snoring away. Things would be falling from the ceiling and when I'd turn the light on, nothing.

It was a day and night experience just about 4 years ago now. Sophomore in HS at the time. As of recent, my weed stories began keeping me up til the early hours waiting for a demon reminiscent of MAMA waiting in the closet to leave and stop torturing me. "I killed XXXX and now I'm going to kill you".

I realize this is all entirely not on salvia but the thing is, I want to try it... eventually. Same with DMT, Aya, Ibogaine etc. Can anyone attempt to give me insight into this? Would this point to what I'm afraid of; drugs aren't for me?


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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Atrium]
    #19100777 - 11/07/13 02:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Dude your post gave me more bad creepy vibes than I've ever seen on Salvia. I don't know what sort of poltergeist stuff you're going through, but if I were you I'd start investing heavily in night vision or thermal cameras and start leaving them on at night. My moderate Salvia tripping definitely didn't prepare me for exorcisms :lol:

I can only tell you that if you smoke salvia in the dark (or low light more accurately) you won't actually BE in the dark, there are very intense CEV's if all goes right, you just see some very distant places / dimensions.

Not sure what else I could tell you that's not in the thread already. I don't know, ghosts are way out of my league :shrug:


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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Spacerific]
    #19102951 - 11/07/13 09:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

What dose of fresh picked and dehydrated leaves do you recommend to smoke the first time, and then,if you have ever chewed salvia, how many fresh lease would you chew?

Do you know if smoking some cannabis beforehand would help the trip at all?

Also, any else notice that a lot of salvia plants people have for sale are really small, seem unhealthy, and have crappy looking and very few leaves....?


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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Shroomsandstuff]
    #19103969 - 11/08/13 03:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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What dose of fresh picked and dehydrated leaves do you recommend to smoke the first time, and then,if you have ever chewed salvia, how many fresh lease would you chew?



As much as you can get in, and use a proper torch lighter. With basic leaf (as opposed to extracts) you want to get as much in as you can. Physically it's impossible to smoke too much with basic leaf, if anything you won't be able to get enough for a good trip, as a first timer you have no reverse tolerance to help you out. Smoke until you :teleport: so far, that you don't know how to use your hands any longer, or what hands are or that you have any :lol:

Just make sure to close eyes and lay back as soon as you start to feel any changes. Just finish the toke and close eyes, lay back, enjoy the ride. If you take another toke after you feel the vibes kicking in, you're very likely to get locked in eyes-open mode, and IMO that's a shitty experience right there. If you've ever had snow fall down your back in the winter, on the skin directly, under your clothes, that's kind of the feeling that comes to mind, with eyes open. I have yet to see anybody enjoy eyes-open salvia tripping as opposed to eyes closed.

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Do you know if smoking some cannabis beforehand would help the trip at all?



I don't think so, I believe they go off in completely different directions, and so wouldn't interact well at all. Also, there's a lot to be said about not combining with anything, when taking something for the first time.

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Also, any else notice that a lot of salvia plants people have for sale are really small, seem unhealthy, and have crappy looking and very few leaves....?



Not my salvia plants :lol:


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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Spacerific]
    #19105842 - 11/08/13 02:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't entirely believe in paranormal things. I was just referencing your "entity" controlling you so to speak with salvia. You said that you wrote stuff in third person of yourself and at times it felt like multiple different characters were influencing you? That's how I feel with marijuana.

I haven't really smoked weed since sometime in the Spring and have since basically changed life entirely. At the time I was going through things and somewhat an alcoholic at 18. I haven't drank since.

Still, online, in person, through stories, I've never heard anyone having the reaction to weed that I do, and being sane when sober. One hit was almost (what I would assume) stimulant like in that I was racing thoughts speed of light, would come up with entire songs, multiple, within minutes and they would play as I wasn't even thinking, and my inner voice just became... not me. That would be the easiest way to put it. Scared easily, could not focus, sleep, have no trust for my brother, that MAMA thing...

I see this as relevant because Salvia is described in a similar manner, with many people reporting entities with malevolent smiles surrounding them. 

Don't even get me started on the first time I "tripped" my first time ever smoking weed. It was a soul removal, dissociative feeling reported of K.

The more I think about it, the more maybe drugs just aren't meant for my brain :sad:


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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Spacerific]
    #19105893 - 11/08/13 02:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Not my salvia plants :lol:




Do you grow them under lights or just in a window?


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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Shroomsandstuff]
    #19106292 - 11/08/13 03:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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with many people reporting entities with malevolent smiles surrounding them.



There you go with the bad vibes again man, I don't think if I should recommend Salvia to you, maybe you need to find some other way to deal with your negativity or fear.

It helped me a bunch, I don't know what else to tell you. I don't smoke weed, it's not my thing. I provided the guide with what worked for me. If you feel you should try sally, do it, if not then don't. It's like asking, should I go on this tall massive fast colorful roller coaster that goes 300 mph? How can anybody know that? Some people live for that shit, others will have a terrible time on the exact same ride.

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The more I think about it, the more maybe drugs just aren't meant for my brain :sad:



Only you can know that. IMO maybe overthinking isn't meant for your brain. Less thinking, more direct experiencing in the present moment, eh? :nyan:

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Not my salvia plants :lol:







Do you grow them under lights or just in a window?



Next to the window. I grew some under aquarium neons as well when I was living in a dark apartment once, but if you have decent light in the window (outside of direct sun) they'll grow green and strong.

Here some salvia porn, these are my plants from various times:










I'm pretty much ignorant of most gardening issues, only plant I ever grew is Salvia. Requirements are minor, it's a fire-and-forget kinda plant I think, especially if you use a bottle planter. This one is in a regular pot, watered every now and then. Bottle planters are great also, because they have a more manly, engineering feel to them. There's a reservoir and fuel gauge and everything :lol:


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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Spacerific]
    #19106573 - 11/08/13 04:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Don't smoke it. Do it like terence.


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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Tripsurfer]
    #19106751 - 11/08/13 05:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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The Mayans chewed/soaked Salvia a bit like tobacco.




Yup, and you gotta make sure you spit the juices out, exactly just like tobacco, and it works much longer and better


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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Yogi1]
    #19106772 - 11/08/13 05:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Don't smoke it. Do it like terence.



I did. Was not impressed. Maybe this new wheatgrass juicer will be able to make something of those leaves, for me teh quid method didn't do much.


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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Spacerific]
    #19106791 - 11/08/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Don't smoke it. Do it like terence.



I did. Was not impressed. Maybe this new wheatgrass juicer will be able to make something of those leaves, for me teh quid method didn't do much.




I've heard its more efficient.

If you must smoke, dry bong, torch lighter.


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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Yogi1]
    #19106811 - 11/08/13 05:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

^ you have put a shit ton in your mouth, and it takes 30 mins for it to kick in.


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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Yogi1]
    #19106854 - 11/08/13 05:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Yogi1 said:
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Spacerific said:
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Yogi1 said:
Don't smoke it. Do it like terence.



I did. Was not impressed. Maybe this new wheatgrass juicer will be able to make something of those leaves, for me teh quid method didn't do much.




I've heard its more efficient.

If you must smoke, dry bong, torch lighter.



No shit? After writing all the long ass guide I was going to smoke it in a joint using a Bic lighter :lol:


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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Spacerific]
    #19106922 - 11/08/13 05:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Higher the temp the more efficient. Also remember the reverse tolerance. Smoke a little every day and in no time 1 x should be flooring you.


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