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lysergicstargazer
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LSA questions
#18919046 - 10/01/13 11:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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My friend, who we'll call tom for now is interested in LSA conversions. And he has some questions about "LSC". Tom read somewhere that by making a solution of crystalized LSA and water, and adding three drops of cinnamaldehyde makes the LSA twice as potent and much more visual. Anyone have any experience doing this? Trip reports? He hasen't been able to find much on the subject
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huffinglue
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I heard it makes it LSH...
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lysergicstargazer
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From what I understand LSH (lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide) is formed from the binding of ethanol with the LSA with an acetaldehyde catalyst. But I've heard that it makes a totally different chemical with cinnemaldehyde
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Magicman69
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I've done HBWR twice. I ate 4 the first time, then two three hours later. I felt very sedated compared to the usual energy psychs give me. Wasn't a very pleasurable experience but not a bad trip. Second time I grinded up 7 seeds and absorbed subling. for 30 mins and swallowed the saliva. This time I got a great high and felt the energy, had some CEVs was awesome! It's all about the dose and what alkaloids are in those particular seeds. Also Mood, Set, setting
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sonamdrukpa
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Peppermint oil.
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sonamdrukpa said: Peppermint oil.
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lysergicstargazer
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I know peppermint oil converts LSA to LSH but I just want to confirm/disprove the rumor that LSA can be made much more potent with cinnamon oil.
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Shroomopotamus
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What about adding.... BOTH
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I've added both Acetaldehyde and Cinnemaldehyde at once; it was fine but not out of this world.
LSC seems more visual and stimulating; but I got some bronchoconstriction on it (dunno if it was related). LSH is great: not as visual but always a great time with the strong euphoric aspects.
I've never had strong OEV except for with the Cinnemaldehyde combination.
Also, keep in mind LSC comes on in like 30-40 minutes as opposed to the couple hours LSA takes to kick in.
Drop your dose when working with LSC; I used a little bit more than half my usual seed amount.
The keys to LSC/LSH adduct formation are COLD TEMPS; and AGITATION after the aldehydes are added.
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Edited by flickedbic (10/02/13 10:52 AM)
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s240779

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Everything you said can be attributed to potency variation between seed batches and general variation in the psychedelic mind state. The concept of simplistic conversion of ergine (lysergic acid amide) to another one of the mentioned chemicals is purely hypothetical. Lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide is already a major alkaloid in morning glory seeds.* This chemical may not even reach the brain.
Here's a post from the moderator of "Advanced Drugs Discussion" on Bluelight:
The claims that spearmint oil, or brandy/aged spirits contain "appreciable amounts" of acetaldehyde are total hogwash - if they did contain acetaldehyde at appreciable levels they would be unconsumable. Acetaldehyde is toxic and probably a mutagen. (And in alcoholic solution acetaldehyde forms a compound called acetal, but that's something else). Acetaldehyde is also the compound responsible for hangovers.
07-01-2013 sekio http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/657613-Home-ergot-chemistry-the-LSH-(lysergic-acid-a-hydroxyethylamide)-saga-part-2?p=11193625&viewfull=1#post11193625
*Gröger D. (1963) Über das Vorkommen von Ergolinderivaten in Ipomoea-Arten. Flora 153:373–382

Note: lysergic acid methylcarbinolamide is a synonym for lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide.
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flickedbic
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Re: LSA questions [Re: s240779]
#18924290 - 10/03/13 02:21 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sherry wine carries up to 500mg Acetaldehyde / L.: http://waterhouse.ucdavis.edu/whats-in-wine/acetaldehyde
But it is a good point; maybe that is why Cinnamon Essential Oil might exhibit a stronger effect: Quote:
The essential oil of cinnamon bark is about 90% cinnamaldehyde.
-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinnamaldehyde
A good point also on the hypothetical nature of the conversion and the names (LSA/C/H).
I don't think it is all hogwash, however. I've never had LSA come on in half an hour before I worked with CEO; and I don't believe variations in potency or "psychedelic mind state" can play such an extreme role in effect (IE: OEV at ~half dose) when we are speaking of the same seed batch. The consistent and drastic time frame alteration (30 min. vs. 2 hours to come-on) that has been noted by several users.
I've never had any significant OEV on seeds before CEO.
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Edited by flickedbic (10/03/13 02:31 AM)
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