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Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like?
#18918683 - 10/01/13 10:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm at a reasonably boring place in my life right now, would definitely welcome a change, and have been approached by this recruiter for some company in Katowice, Poland.
I don't speak Polish (not needed for the job), but the more I think of it, the more I like the idea of getting a fresh start like that. I've had a few before, never ended up regretting it.
Any Poles in here to shed some light on the matter? How are the girls / parties / psychedelics over in Poland? Do enough people speak English over there, to reasonably navigate through daily life? I've seen this nice invention called a Polish pipe, which I totally liked. Is there a nice underground drug culture flourishing over there, potheads and trippers and ravers perhaps?
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Spacerific]
#18918717 - 10/01/13 10:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm a quarter Polish, but I never been there. My mom used to hire some Polish ladies to clean our house. They were DAMN hot.
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Spacerific]
#18918724 - 10/01/13 10:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Polish women are hot.
I can say that with certainty because im dating one
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: windofdimes]
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We call polish dicks, polish power.
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Konyap]
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Illyabo said: We call polish dicks, polish power.
Say again? I'm not getting this one 
So women I shouldn't worry about, check.
Do they speak English well enough over there? And more importantly do people trip at all? Now I'm really starting to regret not keeping in touch with that Polish guy I met at the Boom festival, his stash was quite respectable...
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Spacerific]
#18918891 - 10/01/13 11:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fucking I don't know really, I was a bit polish so I assumed what we lack in length we make up for in girth.
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Poland is beautiful, somewhat poor, pretty damn cheap and extremely friendly people. I loved Poland although seeing the language constantly gave me language fatigue. Polish has so many consonants it makes German look Hawaiian
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Apollyphelion]
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: LobsterSauce]
#18919406 - 10/02/13 01:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Katowice is not much special, at least it wasnt when i was there around 5 years ago. It is, though, very close to Krakow, which is really one of the most awesomest cities around there. Great party scene, drugs, girls, the lot!
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: tomnl]
#18919479 - 10/02/13 02:34 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hmm so Krakow might actually be best for the traveling psychonaut to explore? I want to paint, trip and chill out in the parks, be one with nature. I see Polish cities tend to be quite green that way so that's good.
The nice HR lady listed where they have clients, namely Katowice, Krakow, Lodz and Bydgoszcz. This last one, I'm starting to see the part about the excessive use of consonants  Lodz I read is pretty much a crap town so not bothering with that one that's for sure.
All I know about Poland so far is that two of my fave painters come from there (Beksinski and Jacek Yerka) and the language doesn't annoy me at all, like say, French or Portuguese do. The only times I've really heard any Polish are the 7-10 times I've seen that movie Avalon, so for now I only have great associations with it.
Wonder if this job thing will go anywhere, I really like doing the full nomad relocation thing. For 6 months to a year I feel really fresh, like I'm living in a movie and life is awesome. Everything goes a lot better with sports, habits, girls, going out, etc. I've never actually changed countries before, if the job thing works out this would be a first.
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Spacerific]
#18919485 - 10/02/13 02:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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My gf is polish. I don't think that many people speak english. But as anywhere in Europe. ..charades is pretty usefull.
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Spacerific]
#18919502 - 10/02/13 02:52 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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All I know of Poland, is that it's a huge manufacturer of (meth)amphetamines, and MDPV, and the majority of the stuff we have here, comes from there.
Also, Polish chicks are hot, but that applies to any slavic country IMO 
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: rulesq]
#18919512 - 10/02/13 03:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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There is a lot of drug manufacturing that goes on in poland, I have heard of MDMA & LSD manufacturers based in poland. So I'm guessing the drug scene should be pretty polific around there.
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: rulesq]
#18919513 - 10/02/13 03:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Oh God, the consonants!
I lived in Poland for a bit and I couldn't pronounce anything I read! 
The language is tough, the women are very attractive, Krakow and Warsaw are probably the most exciting cities, and if you need a small piece to smoke weed out of, ask for a fifka at any liquor shop. (It's like a little chillum)
Polish people have a greater tendency to binge drink and smoke cigs IME, so be careful about coming back with a habit you didn't want! I came back with a few!
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: rulesq]
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rulesq said: All I know of Poland, is that it's a huge manufacturer of (meth)amphetamines, and MDPV, and the majority of the stuff we have here, comes from there.
Also, Polish chicks are hot, but that applies to any slavic country IMO 
I was reading on this Polish forum that not only are the girls quite fine, but that most of the dudes are a bit on the meh side, so it's not that hard to stand out. "Goofy" was a word mentioned a lot in relation to Polish men 
Haven't been there so I can't judge 
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I'm starting to see the part about the excessive use of consonants
chrząszcz szczyt w pszczynie 
Why you sick sadistic motherfucker, those are indeed actual Polish words! I thought you were just trolling, hitting keys randomly on the keyboard 
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The language is tough, the women are very attractive, Krakow and Warsaw are probably the most exciting cities, and if you need a small piece to smoke weed out of, ask for a fifka at any liquor shop. (It's like a little chillum)
Fifka! I've seen and even smoked one of those, from the Polish guy at Boom fest. Polish pipe he called it, and I thought it was genius! Borosilicate glass mini-pipe for the economical smoking of bud and other herbals, on the go. Pure wisdom.
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Polish people have a greater tendency to binge drink and smoke cigs IME, so be careful about coming back with a habit you didn't want! I came back with a few!
I'm not worried, I don't drink alcohol nor smoke tobacco, and have a rather low opinion of people who do, I don't hang out in those circles more than I have to. Acid on the other hand, ah if they make good acid over there, then a fine dedicated customer they will gain for sure
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Spacerific]
#18919540 - 10/02/13 03:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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"I don't drink alcohol nor smoke tobacco, and have a rather low opinion of people who do"
Then Poland is the place for you because everyone knows how much the Polish don't like to drink and smoke
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Spacerific]
#18919555 - 10/02/13 03:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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psychs aren't as popular in Poland as they are here IMO.
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: LobsterSauce]
#18919564 - 10/02/13 03:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well from what I've seen and read so far, the groups themselves don't mix that much. Rarely will you see the serious smokers and complete nonsmokers say, married or dating for too long. Either someone will start as well, or someone will pretend to have quit, or more likely it will all go to shit due to constant frustration of a bad habit that's not shared by both.
47% of men and 23% of women smoke according to the stats, that's indeed a bit high for the men, but still totally manageable. In fact it may work in my favor.
Smokers and nonsmokers tend to bond with their respective group. Since there's so many Polish smokers, the whopping 77% of girls that don't smoke have a lot less clean non-stinking dudes to choose from.
At least that's my simplistic analysis about guys girls and smoking  Would love to hear some female opinions on the matter. Is it a deal breaker for ya?
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Spacerific]
#18919605 - 10/02/13 04:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Update. The nice HR ladies just called me right now. Tested some language skills, and they'll get back to me (or not get back to me, as the case may be ) within a week. The city in question is indeed Katowice.
Promptly went to goabase to see what's up, and it seems this is the party lineup. Warsaw is about 4 hours by train, so looks doable. I doubt I'll come back from one of those psy parties without an acid connection.
Krakow is about 1 hour away it seems, so yeah well in range. Been reading about Krakow and it looks like it has an immense number of art museums to feast my eyes on and learn from. Da Vinci paintings and Rembrandts and only the pagan gods know what else. 28 museums is a lot to take in, no telling what could be in there.
I haven't told anybody about this whole thing by the way, if the chicks call back with a workable offer I'll be like, hey everybody, I'm MOVING TO POLAND next Thursday
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Spacerific]
#18919660 - 10/02/13 05:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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rulesq said: All I know of Poland, is that it's a huge manufacturer of (meth)amphetamines, and MDPV, and the majority of the stuff we have here, comes from there.
Also, Polish chicks are hot, but that applies to any slavic country IMO 
I was reading on this Polish forum that not only are the girls quite fine, but that most of the dudes are a bit on the meh side, so it's not that hard to stand out. "Goofy" was a word mentioned a lot in relation to Polish men 
Haven't been there so I can't judge 
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I'm starting to see the part about the excessive use of consonants
chrząszcz szczyt w pszczynie 
Why you sick sadistic motherfucker, those are indeed actual Polish words! I thought you were just trolling, hitting keys randomly on the keyboard 
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The language is tough, the women are very attractive, Krakow and Warsaw are probably the most exciting cities, and if you need a small piece to smoke weed out of, ask for a fifka at any liquor shop. (It's like a little chillum)
Fifka! I've seen and even smoked one of those, from the Polish guy at Boom fest. Polish pipe he called it, and I thought it was genius! Borosilicate glass mini-pipe for the economical smoking of bud and other herbals, on the go. Pure wisdom.
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Polish people have a greater tendency to binge drink and smoke cigs IME, so be careful about coming back with a habit you didn't want! I came back with a few!
I'm not worried, I don't drink alcohol nor smoke tobacco, and have a rather low opinion of people who do, I don't hang out in those circles more than I have to. Acid on the other hand, ah if they make good acid over there, then a fine dedicated customer they will gain for sure 
Don't worry, I think you are total cunt, too, bro.
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Spacerific]
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Poland is a little harder to get by than more western European countries without knowing the language... but damn do they have some crazy music and festivals Not that you're confined to Poland... Germany, Denmark, Hungary, Austria... etc... all within a pretty short jot
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: twighead]
#18919730 - 10/02/13 06:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Where do you live, yo?
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Apollyphelion]
#18919734 - 10/02/13 06:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Apollyphelion]
#18919742 - 10/02/13 06:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Apollyphelion said: Don't worry, I think you are total cunt, too, bro.
I was going to say present company excluded or something. Nothing against the people themselves really, as much as the stinking. Or I don't know exactly what it is, something about tobacco smokers just rubs me the wrong way. Same with alcohol drinkers. Can't explain it, it's just a very strong gut feeling of oh, not this peasant shit again 
And yes I imagine some of them must feel the exact same about me, with my bullshit no meat no sugar reading labels on everything, drinking yerba mate cause I think I'm too good for normal regular coffee.
On some level I feel sorry to see tobacco addicts with less and less places where they can enjoy their thing, smoking bans springing up everywhere. On the other hand ah, more fresh air for me to enjoy. I can't work up enough empathy to give a shit, I'm secretly glad when I see em have to step outside in the cold of winter to light up that overpriced commercial garbage. Glad I dodged that bullet. One less vice to worry about, I have enough of em as it is
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Spacerific]
#18919743 - 10/02/13 06:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Spacerific]
#18919749 - 10/02/13 06:44 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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In the Jackass Gumball Rally vid they say they Poland was described to them as "the Mexico of Europe". I went to Mexico on Spring Break and it was fun.
They fervently claim to have invented vodka before Russia.
Luksowow is tasty potato vodka.
That exhausts my knowledge of Poland. Wish I knew more. Their women are hot btw.
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Spacerific]
#18919752 - 10/02/13 06:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Apollyphelion said: Don't worry, I think you are total cunt, too, bro.
I was going to say present company excluded or something. Nothing against the people themselves really, as much as the stinking. Or I don't know exactly what it is, something about tobacco smokers just rubs me the wrong way. Same with alcohol drinkers. Can't explain it, it's just a very strong gut feeling of oh, not this peasant shit again 
And yes I imagine some of them must feel the exact same about me, with my bullshit no meat no sugar reading labels on everything, drinking yerba mate cause I think I'm too good for normal regular coffee.
On some level I feel sorry to see tobacco addicts with less and less places where they can enjoy their thing, smoking bans springing up everywhere. On the other hand ah, more fresh air for me to enjoy. I can't work up enough empathy to give a shit, I'm secretly glad when I see em have to step outside in the cold of winter to light up that overpriced commercial garbage. Glad I dodged that bullet. One less vice to worry about, I have enough of em as it is 
Tobacco and Alcohol are common with Class X, the lower class, and oddly enough the Upper Class are also known for drinking a lot. What are you middle class? Oh you have vices too? So why shouldn't I consider you a piece of shit?
Something about snobs rubs me the wrong way, or maybe it is just the middle class and their superior attitude towards anything deviant. Not all Middleclassers are like that, but I meet the most people with similar attitudes in that societal bracket.
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Set]
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Set said: In the Jackass Gumball Rally vid they say they Poland was described to them as "the Mexico of Europe". I went to Mexico on Spring Break and it was fun.
They fervently claim to have invented vodka before Russia.
Luksowow is tasty potato vodka.
That exhausts my knowledge of Poland. Wish I knew more. Their women are hot btw.
I have totally described Poland as Germany's Mexico, but Europe's Mexico might be Thailland.
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Re: Any Polish people in the hjuse? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Spacerific]
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I just had like 6 paragraphs typed and my tablet decided to randomly shut off, so I'll paraphrase...
I'm polish but live in the US, my grandma was 100% polish she emigrated here after WWII...
I would love to live in Poland, I don't personally have the means to move there right now though.
Like virtually every European country I'm sure it has an underground drug scene.
What I would research more are the laws, mainly laws pertaining to personal freedoms(drug & gun laws.)
Also I would try to learn the language asap.
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: nicechrisman]
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OP for what it's worth, when i asked my grandfather about poland, he said "theres a reason we didn't stay there."
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Same here. Back in elementary school my little brother would brag about being polish, and actually convinced the teachers that my family had come over to america from poland. Twas funny seeing my mothers reaction when the school asked us about out lives in poland lol.
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Legend]
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My grandma left Poland because she escaped a concentration camp during WWII...
They don't have them anymore though, right?
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Apollyphelion]
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Apollyphelion said: Don't worry, I think you are total cunt, too, bro.
I was going to say present company excluded or something. Nothing against the people themselves really, as much as the stinking. Or I don't know exactly what it is, something about tobacco smokers just rubs me the wrong way. Same with alcohol drinkers. Can't explain it, it's just a very strong gut feeling of oh, not this peasant shit again 
And yes I imagine some of them must feel the exact same about me, with my bullshit no meat no sugar reading labels on everything, drinking yerba mate cause I think I'm too good for normal regular coffee.
On some level I feel sorry to see tobacco addicts with less and less places where they can enjoy their thing, smoking bans springing up everywhere. On the other hand ah, more fresh air for me to enjoy. I can't work up enough empathy to give a shit, I'm secretly glad when I see em have to step outside in the cold of winter to light up that overpriced commercial garbage. Glad I dodged that bullet. One less vice to worry about, I have enough of em as it is 
Tobacco and Alcohol are common with Class X, the lower class, and oddly enough the Upper Class are also known for drinking a lot. What are you middle class? Oh you have vices too? So why shouldn't I consider you a piece of shit?
Something about snobs rubs me the wrong way, or maybe it is just the middle class and their superior attitude towards anything deviant. Not all Middleclassers are like that, but I meet the most people with similar attitudes in that societal bracket.
What you consider Upper Class (with capital letters for some reason ) is what I consider the idiots who have a lot of money and no idea how to spend it. Money is no substitute for good lifestyle design.
IMO alcohol is just a shitty replacement for shrooms. I am a believer in Terence McKenna's theory that we are symbiotes with the and that deep down we all long for that collective periodic return to full communion with it, and with each other, with our tribe. We all long for the shroom state taken in a group with others. Full sharing, full removal of barriers and inhibitions, full acceptance.
Alcohol in all its forms, from the cheapest to the most expensive Whiskey, is a complete piece of shit replacement for the real thing, and it does definitely NOT deliver.
That's why I can't and don't respect people who don't know any better. They drink a lot because maybe they have stress, they feel that real need to return, but are in fact ignorant of how to do it, and so grab for the bottle. More and more expensive or stronger concoctions made of the same shit molecule that doesn't deliver the goods required. It doesn't bring openness and unity.
Take any activity done with alcohol, and you'll see it would be far superior if done with low/medium dose shrooms. Weddings, light socializing, seeking a mate for short or long term, bonding with the bros, unwinding, all of these can be done far better with shrooms, and they don't fuck up your liver. Rich people who could afford shrooms acid ayahuasca and mescaline, and don't, resigning themselves to alcohol, are IMO severely ignorant. They're actively supporting and perpetuating a dead end lifestyle, teaching it to their kids, their peers and so on. Communion with, pardon my French, a nigger molecule.
Nothing seems more misguided to me, than two primates going with alcohol, when they should be doing the exact same thing with lemon tek. When I hear that clink sound of beer bottles, and see that idiotic superficial gaze specific to alcohol in the bloodstream, for me that's it. Game fucking over.
I have a profound disgust and contempt for alcohol. Do try and find some way to defend it, as I presented it here, when compared to the real thing, low dose shrooms. I think as a society we are being severely held back from what we could be, due to people's willingness to settle for cheap molecules. 
Then there's that 100% ignorant situation, when I meet new people, at some point I refuse alcohol and mention I don't drink it, and they give me that look as if I'm some lost poor virgin, as if I don't know what awesome kicks I'm missing, because I don't drink beer. Surely I must be some Jehovah's witness with no life. This coming from clearheads who have never heard of psychedelics let alone take one 
Makes me want to smash some bottles (for effect) and scream - MUSHROOMS BITCH, ACID, MESCALINE, AYA. Do you have anything here that would actually make this day interesting and memorable? No. STFU and drink your bottled piss in quiet then. Incredible kicks that your shitty peasant head will never know, endless sea of patterns you'll never see, because you were never curious enough to even Google, and your only options for a state change are booze coffee and maybe chocolate. But of course you can't say that openly, as it would disturb the other clearheads.
Fuck. Sorry for the long post, I've just been living among clearheads for way too long, I've had enough of smokers and drinkers and non-trippers. Definitely need to GTFO.
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Spacerific]
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Terrence McKenna absolutely disgusts me when it comes to psychedelic theory. It's close to garbage philosophy but he does manage to create nice romantic and picturesque ideas. Great sci-fi author, which is basically what he writes.
You are one of the most arrogant sons of bitches I ever seen here on the Shroomery.
You just called Alcohol a nigger molecule? Only an idiot with no respect for life would say something like that in an attempt to prove a point.
Did I read that right?
Seriously?
You probably don't know the first fucking thing about alcohol.
You generalize methods and intent behind drug consumption to the point where you look like you do not know what you are talking about. Infact, you borderline do not make any sense. You are basically talk like a dangerously stupid hippie.
I'm glad more people don't do shrooms, because it keeps people away from the corrosive thinking that shrooms seem to have bestowed upon you. At least, alcohol is a more humble drug, something you could use a lot of.
Some of my best trips were on weed and alcohol.
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Spacerific]
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Nothing seems more misguided to me, than two primates going with alcohol, when they should be doing the exact same thing with lemon tek.
and the rest of your post
I really want you to be trolling but I have a strong feeling you aren't.
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Set]
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Unfortunately, he probably really is that ignorant. Its what happens when you give Neckbeards shrooms, apparently.
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Apollyphelion]
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The autism is strong with this one.
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Set]
#18920043 - 10/02/13 09:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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how many polish dudes does it take to change a lightbulb? 3 one to hold onto the lightbulb and two to spin his legs
polish people have a reputation for being dumb..is that true?
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Doctor Sponge]
#18920047 - 10/02/13 09:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've heard that most Europeans actually give that honor to the Belgians.
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Doctor Sponge]
#18920058 - 10/02/13 09:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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No, its not at all true. My grandma was a very smart lady, although she did once mistake a bag of parsley for marijuana.
But we've also had some scholars, like this guy http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolaus_Copernicus
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: nicechrisman]
#18920059 - 10/02/13 09:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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ahh ok..i haven't head any polish jokes since the late 90's and the one I wrote in my last post is equivalent to "why did the chicken cross the road?"
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Spacerific]
#18920074 - 10/02/13 09:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Spacerific said: What you consider Upper Class (with capital letters for some reason ) is what I consider the idiots who have a lot of money and no idea how to spend it. Money is no substitute for good lifestyle design.
IMO alcohol is just a shitty replacement for shrooms. I am a believer in Terence McKenna's theory that we are symbiotes with the and that deep down we all long for that collective periodic return to full communion with it, and with each other, with our tribe. We all long for the shroom state taken in a group with others. Full sharing, full removal of barriers and inhibitions, full acceptance.
Alcohol in all its forms, from the cheapest to the most expensive Whiskey, is a complete piece of shit replacement for the real thing, and it does definitely NOT deliver.
That's why I can't and don't respect people who don't know any better. They drink a lot because maybe they have stress, they feel that real need to return, but are in fact ignorant of how to do it, and so grab for the bottle. More and more expensive or stronger concoctions made of the same shit molecule that doesn't deliver the goods required. It doesn't bring openness and unity.
Take any activity done with alcohol, and you'll see it would be far superior if done with low/medium dose shrooms. Weddings, light socializing, seeking a mate for short or long term, bonding with the bros, unwinding, all of these can be done far better with shrooms, and they don't fuck up your liver. Rich people who could afford shrooms acid ayahuasca and mescaline, and don't, resigning themselves to alcohol, are IMO severely ignorant. They're actively supporting and perpetuating a dead end lifestyle, teaching it to their kids, their peers and so on. Communion with, pardon my French, a nigger molecule.
Nothing seems more misguided to me, than two primates going with alcohol, when they should be doing the exact same thing with lemon tek. When I hear that clink sound of beer bottles, and see that idiotic superficial gaze specific to alcohol in the bloodstream, for me that's it. Game fucking over.
I have a profound disgust and contempt for alcohol. Do try and find some way to defend it, as I presented it here, when compared to the real thing, low dose shrooms. I think as a society we are being severely held back from what we could be, due to people's willingness to settle for cheap molecules. 
Then there's that 100% ignorant situation, when I meet new people, at some point I refuse alcohol and mention I don't drink it, and they give me that look as if I'm some lost poor virgin, as if I don't know what awesome kicks I'm missing, because I don't drink beer. Surely I must be some Jehovah's witness with no life. This coming from clearheads who have never heard of psychedelics let alone take one 
Makes me want to smash some bottles (for effect) and scream - MUSHROOMS BITCH, ACID, MESCALINE, AYA. Do you have anything here that would actually make this day interesting and memorable? No. STFU and drink your bottled piss in quiet then. Incredible kicks that your shitty peasant head will never know, endless sea of patterns you'll never see, because you were never curious enough to even Google, and your only options for a state change are booze coffee and maybe chocolate. But of course you can't say that openly, as it would disturb the other clearheads.
Fuck. Sorry for the long post, I've just been living among clearheads for way too long, I've had enough of smokers and drinkers and non-trippers. Definitely need to GTFO.
I am dying.
Please tell me this isn't real.
If real, I'm dying laughing right now. If not real, well done and I am still laughing.
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Spacerific]
#18920088 - 10/02/13 09:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dude you should totally go to Poland and tell everyone how stupid alcohol and tobacco are. I'm sure they'd really appreciate you helping them out like that until someone kicks your ass
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Set]
#18920101 - 10/02/13 09:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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ive done plenty of psycadelics and can prepare many any which way BUT i still prefer beer..much more consistant and functional than being on a low dose of psychs..ill take a low dose beer which is about 2 or 3 for me..plus beer is just enjoyable to drink and it taste good plus it makes me hungry and goes great with weed
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Doctor Sponge]
#18921275 - 10/02/13 01:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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learning sponge said: how many polish dudes does it take to change a lightbulb? 3 one to hold onto the lightbulb and two to spin his legs
polish people have a reputation for being dumb..is that true?
There are a lot of Polish jokes based on their lack of intelligence, it's not based on truth.
http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/NationalIQs.aspx
Poles have the 3rd highest IQ average in Europe.
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: nicechrisman]
#18921402 - 10/02/13 01:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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nicechrisman said: They were DAMN hot.

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qman said:
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learning sponge said: how many polish dudes does it take to change a lightbulb? 3 one to hold onto the lightbulb and two to spin his legs
polish people have a reputation for being dumb..is that true?
There are a lot of Polish jokes based on their lack of intelligence, it's not based on truth.
http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/NationalIQs.aspx
Poles have the 3rd highest IQ average in Europe.
it's based on the fact that Poles can be fucked up in the head, but totally smart, so you know "gotta insult them!"
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: akira_akuma]
#18921545 - 10/02/13 02:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I will add to this thread when I get to my computer. ..
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: rew736]
#18921601 - 10/02/13 02:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Been to Poland a couple times, Warsaw is one of the most depressing cities I've ever been to, the countryside was nice but most people who live there are dirt poor and there's nothing to do. Yes, women are pretty hot, but most Polish guys I've met were rude as fuck, they just have this really aggressive "alpha" vibe to them, but then again most Slavic men are like that.
I'm sure there's cool places and people in Poland, but if you're from the US/Canada, it probably wouldn't be my first choice.
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Constantine]
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: qman]
#18921815 - 10/02/13 03:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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learning sponge said: how many polish dudes does it take to change a lightbulb? 3 one to hold onto the lightbulb and two to spin his legs
polish people have a reputation for being dumb..is that true?
There are a lot of Polish jokes based on their lack of intelligence, it's not based on truth.
http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/NationalIQs.aspx
Poles have the 3rd highest IQ average in Europe.
They did try charging the german blitzkrieg with cavalry
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: twighead]
#18921854 - 10/02/13 03:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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There is no evidence of Polish cavalry mounting a brave but futile charge against German tanks using lances and sabres during the German invasion of Poland in 1939. This story may have originated from German propaganda efforts following the charge at Krojanty in which a Polish cavalry brigade surprised German infantry in the open and charged with sabres until driven off by armoured cars. While Polish cavalry still carried the sabre for such opportunities, they were trained to fight as highly mobile, dismounted cavalry (dragoons) and issued with light anti-tank weapons
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_common_misconceptions#Modern_history
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Dark_Star]
#18921875 - 10/02/13 03:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Post Allison Brie.
And to stay on topic, I dated a Polish chick for a few weeks. This is becoming too adult for the The Pub though.
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Constantine]
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Constantine said:
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There is no evidence of Polish cavalry mounting a brave but futile charge against German tanks using lances and sabres during the German invasion of Poland in 1939. This story may have originated from German propaganda efforts following the charge at Krojanty in which a Polish cavalry brigade surprised German infantry in the open and charged with sabres until driven off by armoured cars. While Polish cavalry still carried the sabre for such opportunities, they were trained to fight as highly mobile, dismounted cavalry (dragoons) and issued with light anti-tank weapons
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_common_misconceptions#Modern_history

Interesting.
In certain circuimstances horses still seem like they'd be a highly effective method of transportation in battle. Especially dense forests and very rocky outcrops that are mostly inaccessible to mechanized transportation.
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Constantine]
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twighead said:
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qman said:
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learning sponge said: how many polish dudes does it take to change a lightbulb? 3 one to hold onto the lightbulb and two to spin his legs
polish people have a reputation for being dumb..is that true?
There are a lot of Polish jokes based on their lack of intelligence, it's not based on truth.
http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/NationalIQs.aspx
Poles have the 3rd highest IQ average in Europe.
They did try charging the german blitzkrieg with cavalry 
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Constantine said:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_common_misconceptions#Modern_history

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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: qman]
#18921954 - 10/02/13 03:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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well it still says they used horses - I didn't say in what manner did I?
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: nicechrisman]
#18922428 - 10/02/13 04:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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nicechrisman said: Dude you should totally go to Poland and tell everyone how stupid alcohol and tobacco are. I'm sure they'd really appreciate you helping them out like that until someone kicks your ass
Funny but not, because Poland isnt like America. People will kick your ass randomly if you dont watch your mouth/ego.
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well it still says they used horses - I didn't say in what manner did I?
Well at least they fought with what they had instead of rolling over like much of Western Europe.
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: nicechrisman]
#18923015 - 10/02/13 07:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey man. My family is from Lumza in southern Poland. My grandmother is first generation American but has gone back to visit a couple times. It's become beautiful but she remembers what it was like under Soviet control right after WWII
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Dakotaap0]
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: unknown1123]
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Well at least they fought with what they had instead of rolling over like much of Western Europe.
Well said...
+5 for you my friend...
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Apollyphelion]
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Apollyphelion said: Terrence McKenna absolutely disgusts me when it comes to psychedelic theory. It's close to garbage philosophy but he does manage to create nice romantic and picturesque ideas. Great sci-fi author, which is basically what he writes.
Sure he does. It's just that his symbiosis idea I find rather plausible. Whenever I was in groups actually following this lifestyle, things were going far, far better than in regular urban groups who don't take anything. Well beer, whatever Useless.
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You are one of the most arrogant sons of bitches I ever seen here on the Shroomery.
You just called Alcohol a nigger molecule? Only an idiot with no respect for life would say something like that in an attempt to prove a point.
Did I read that right?
Seriously?
You read it right. I think it's a complete piece of shit substance, and it's in fact quite destructive. Look for families and relationships destroyed by it, look for destroyed livers that come from its long term use, go check an AA meeting perhaps, you'll hear some shit. But most of all I think it leads to monotonous boring unimaginative thinking. So many people settle for just drinking alcohol, and they don't pursue other more interesting state changes. Sad thing to behold I think. Weddings with alcohol, sugar cakes and more grilled red meat on the table. Wow what rich amazing culture and experience 
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You probably don't know the first fucking thing about alcohol.
This part of my country is mainly known for two things. A certain kind of intricate traditional wood carving, and making super strong, quality, traditional booze out of pears and plums. Wherever you go in my country and even outside, if you bring them a bottle of the local traditional stuff here, they're generally quite happy, appreciating the taste and flavor and who knows what else, because they don't make it like that in other regions.
I've been in the middle of it all my life, and have seen all the holidays featuring it, both my grandparents and my dad were grape growers and making their own wine every year, as well as making the stronger stuff out of pears and plums, as is the custom here for centuries. What do your people do, meet and drink beer from the bar? Wow, amazing. Tell me more.
I've been here, seen the people, customs, what they do and how they think after drinking it. Definitely not impressed. My first shroom trip blew this crap wide open, for me at least. My first Aya trip, first acid at a psy festival, my salvia trips, they all pointed me in this same direction. Alcohol is a boring, unimaginative molecule for the masses.
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At least, alcohol is a more humble drug, something you could use a lot of.
Me? Alcohol? Okay, let's test this theory, shall we?
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Some of my best trips were on weed and alcohol.
Comparing this to what exactly?
Anyway I don't mix much with drinkers here, I won't mix much with drinkers in Poland either. Of course I can't go shooting my mouth off about it, just quietly avoid and go about my business. Same for tobacco smokers, I'm sure they'll be just fine without my input.
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Spacerific]
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I'm drinking a beer right now, and enjoying it, too.
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Spacerific]
#18924157 - 10/03/13 01:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well, when you act like an arrogant shit head (Why do you WANT to be an arrogant shithead? you obviously want to act this childish) you are never going to get converts, that is for sure.
You clearly put the chemical on the pedestal, and not intent of consumption which is more important than the chemical itself. I'd rather hang out with an alcohol drinking artist than some new age spiritual tripper that accomplishes nothing but personal experiences which is ultimately a bore to anyone but themselves.
I don't know your intent with psychedelic use, but from what I garnered it seems to be quite common and almost generic. I've seen more creative intent with alcohol than I have with your psychedelic usage.
Why do you think what a person consumes is more important than the intent behind consumption?
You write very well, however but what the point of writing well if you just use it to take a shit on beliefs that differ from yours? You have provided nothing convincing and your argument consists of extreme generalizations for both of the drugs.
You also seem like a classist and racist asshole. Tell me again, if you put psychedelics so high on a pedestal, what is your motive when you act like a condescending jackass? It doesn't make sense because you clearly think people should use psychedelics, however you want to get them to do it by calling them niggers. I know, I know you called Alcohol a nigger, technically, but you might as well call alcohol drinkers niggers. You are in my top ten posters for being a poor example of a tripper. You are very embarrassing.
What direction other than being a condescending chimp did psychedelics point you in? You are a really poor advertisement for psychedelics.
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Apollyphelion]
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Apollyphelion said: Poland is beautiful, somewhat poor, pretty damn cheap and extremely friendly people. I loved Poland although seeing the language constantly gave me language fatigue. Polish has so many consonants it makes German look Hawaiian
Governments should aspire to be like that. A place of peace and happiness, they are the ones with the real power! Violence is just for the thickheaded.
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Spacerific]
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Apollyphelion said: Terrence McKenna absolutely disgusts me when it comes to psychedelic theory. It's close to garbage philosophy but he does manage to create nice romantic and picturesque ideas. Great sci-fi author, which is basically what he writes.
Sure he does. It's just that his symbiosis idea I find rather plausible. Whenever I was in groups actually following this lifestyle, things were going far, far better than in regular urban groups who don't take anything. Well beer, whatever Useless.
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You are one of the most arrogant sons of bitches I ever seen here on the Shroomery.
You just called Alcohol a nigger molecule? Only an idiot with no respect for life would say something like that in an attempt to prove a point.
Did I read that right?
Seriously?
You read it right. I think it's a complete piece of shit substance, and it's in fact quite destructive. Look for families and relationships destroyed by it, look for destroyed livers that come from its long term use, go check an AA meeting perhaps, you'll hear some shit. But most of all I think it leads to monotonous boring unimaginative thinking. So many people settle for just drinking alcohol, and they don't pursue other more interesting state changes. Sad thing to behold I think. Weddings with alcohol, sugar cakes and more grilled red meat on the table. Wow what rich amazing culture and experience 
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You probably don't know the first fucking thing about alcohol.
This part of my country is mainly known for two things. A certain kind of intricate traditional wood carving, and making super strong, quality, traditional booze out of pears and plums. Wherever you go in my country and even outside, if you bring them a bottle of the local traditional stuff here, they're generally quite happy, appreciating the taste and flavor and who knows what else, because they don't make it like that in other regions.
I've been in the middle of it all my life, and have seen all the holidays featuring it, both my grandparents and my dad were grape growers and making their own wine every year, as well as making the stronger stuff out of pears and plums, as is the custom here for centuries. What do your people do, meet and drink beer from the bar? Wow, amazing. Tell me more.
I've been here, seen the people, customs, what they do and how they think after drinking it. Definitely not impressed. My first shroom trip blew this crap wide open, for me at least. My first Aya trip, first acid at a psy festival, my salvia trips, they all pointed me in this same direction. Alcohol is a boring, unimaginative molecule for the masses.
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At least, alcohol is a more humble drug, something you could use a lot of.
Me? Alcohol? Okay, let's test this theory, shall we?
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Some of my best trips were on weed and alcohol.
Comparing this to what exactly?
Anyway I don't mix much with drinkers here, I won't mix much with drinkers in Poland either. Of course I can't go shooting my mouth off about it, just quietly avoid and go about my business. Same for tobacco smokers, I'm sure they'll be just fine without my input.
Your a faggot stop talking shit on a very real culture. Sure there are just bastard alcoholics, but those who drink a couple brews at the bar with some buddies sharing some thoughts and experiences. Sounds like a good time to me. everything in moderation
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: mutantmushroom]
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@Apollyphelion like I said, I'm done with this topic, as it clearly isn't the place for it. Probably shouldn't have started bashing alcohol in the first place, simply because this is not the appropriate context to do so. It's even called the Pub. I came here to talk about Polish stuff and simply got carried away.
You keep doing what fulfills you. If it's beer and choking on tobacco smoke, fine. Your world. I've made my testing and comparisons and I have no patience left for placebo, shit replacements and commercial crap shoved down our throats.
I've compared bullshit singing in a church on nothing, with singing in a similar church when everybody's on Ayahuasca. I have no patience left for the clearheaded version. As far as I'm concerned it's wasted time.
I've taken shrooms with people, and I've tried a few beers with people. I have no patience left for the beer. None. It failed the comparison so badly, it might as well be piss as far as I'm concerned. If we have time to gather and share an experience, why would we do so on a weak flimsy molecule that leaves us all hung over the next day? What possible good could come of it? I can't even believe we're having this conversation on a shroom forum. If it's a wedding, New Year's or any occasion we'd want to make memorable, on what planet is alcohol better than an actual shared psy trip? I just don't get the alcohol approach here.
You haven't answered my question, what are you comparing your alcohol "trips" to? Burning Man? Well organized Peyote sweat lodge? Aya ceremony?
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I am comparing alcohol and weed trips to the 300 or so times I have done acid, 50 or so times I have done mushrooms and other various RCs, as well as the 30 or so times I have done salvia. I can't say I cherish a good trip with a good fiend any more than I have gotten drunk with a good friend. Both are different but equally memorable bonding experiences.
If this isn't the place for the discussion, then where is? If you have any conviction you'll start a new thread or continue this discussion here.
The only rituals I find important are those that are your own. I have no interest in a peyote sweat lodge or an Aya ceremony, led by someone with an already set in stone view in tripping. My personal view on psychedelics is more important to uphold than any tradition regarding ayahuasca or mushrooms. I consider an Aya or mushroom ceremony something entirely as commercial as the Disney Channel. It is a culture that was sold to you. Being in a room full of people I do not know, who are all on a psychedelic does not sound like a place where I want to be at all. In fact, each of our arguements are an advertisement in themselves, however my commercial is not trying to sell a very constricted drug view such as yourself.
If your argument was a restaurant, you would have a sign up that says 'Niggers need not Apply' I, on the other hand welcome everybody, as long as they are not violent or an asshole. You are not violent, but you are an asshole.
I think you have a very narrow view on psychedelics, and drugs and general--You are simply saying since alcohol does not work for you, it must be for tools or idiots. That really is the nugget of your argument. Like I said before, you come across as condescending, naive, and on a very tall horse. Your purism towards the subject is very limiting, socially and philosophically.
You also assume all alcohol drinkers are irresponsible and stupid. As if your drug of choice makes you smarter or somehow more accomplished.
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Apollyphelion]
#18924712 - 10/03/13 06:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Apollyphelion said: I am comparing alcohol and weed trips to the 300 or so times I have done acid, 50 or so times I have done mushrooms and other various RCs, as well as the 30 or so times I have done salvia. I can't say I cherish a good trip with a good fiend any more than I have gotten drunk with a good friend. Both are different but equally memorable bonding experiences.
If this isn't the place for the discussion, then where is? If you have any conviction you'll start a new thread or continue this discussion here.
The only rituals I find important are those that are your own. I have no interest in a peyote sweat lodge or an Aya ceremony, led by someone with an already set in stone view in tripping. My personal view on psychedelics is more important to uphold than any tradition regarding ayahuasca or mushrooms. I consider an Aya or mushroom ceremony something entirely as commercial as the Disney Channel. It is a culture that was sold to you. Being in a room full of people I do not know, who are all on a psychedelic does not sound like a place where I want to be at all. In fact, each of our arguements are an advertisement in themselves, however my commercial is not trying to sell a very constricted drug view such as yourself.
If your argument was a restaurant, you would have a sign up that says 'Niggers need not Apply' I, on the other hand welcome everybody, as long as they are not violent or an asshole. You are not violent, but you are an asshole.
I think you have a very narrow view on psychedelics, and drugs and general--You are simply saying since alcohol does not work for you, it must be for tools or idiots. That really is the nugget of your argument. Like I said before, you come across as condescending, naive, and on a very tall horse. Your purism towards the subject is very limiting, socially and philosophically.
You also assume all alcohol drinkers are irresponsible and stupid. As if your drug of choice makes you smarter or somehow more accomplished.
Just got back from a nice Salvia trip, which hit all teh right spots 
Now let's see if we can shed some light on this.
I think I might have been a bit too acid in the way I express my views. They are sincere, this is the way I feel about things at this time. If that makes me a retard, so be it.
I do feel alcohol is a waste of time and money and personal health. I see people putting time into it, using it as a lubricant for their gatherings, and I'm quite sure those gatherings pale in comparison to what they could have been.
Take this for instance:
To me, these kids are doing an awesome thing. If they did this every month for the next 10 years, I think they'd be better off because of it, our whole world would be better. Stuff was learned, emotions were studied, understood, exchanged and played with, in the best manner possible. By comparison if these kids gather and get shitfaced drunk with the same frequency, during the same period, I think their lives will end up far worse because of it. Not just liver damage-wise, I mean personality-wise. Thoughts they'll never think, ideas they'll never have, and a lot more vomit stains and shitty Mondays. I think I've said my peace on alcohol. It's not for me, I don't see the wisdom in using it, I don't like the long term results I've seen in other people. Same for tobacco. I wish my society / family / peer group would have had something better to offer than alcohol as a rite of passage. Right now it doesn't, unfortunately. That's why I consider it poor and primitive as far as state changes are concerned. Sweat lodge and Aya ceremonies - Initially I thought the same thing as you. Screw the ceremony. Just gimme the Aya, I'll put on my mp3 player and chill on my own couch or hang with friends, just gimme the molecule. After the ceremony however, I had to admit I didn't know what the hell I was talking about. IMO the value in doing it their way at least once or twice, is that they do things you wouldn't think of doing, or would simply be to lazy to bother with. In the same way you might want to go to a dojo to learn martial arts at first. Then once trained, if you have other ideas, you can certainly develop your own different style. But you don't develop a good martial arts style with no training whatsoever. It doesn't happen. There's a world of difference between tripping solo or with a few mates, and taking part in a well organized ceremony. I suspect it's the same with Peyote sweat lodges, tripping with people that have made a lifestyle of that, for generations. They just took the time to study every aspect in much more depth than your casual tripper would. It's not about accepting the content of their beliefs, I mean the Santo Daime for instance sing about Jesus and Mary and such Christian crap. I dismissed their beliefs the second I laid eyes on them. The practices however, the way they organize the ceremony, that comes with astonishing effects. Primo tripping music, I have yet to hear that kind of vibe coming out of any speakers. If you and 20-50 friends actually gather with a bunch of drums and instruments and have a 7+ hour drum circle when tripping, then yeah, no need to see what a ceremony is all about. But most people don't think to do that, or even if they do, there's no 50 other people to agree and show up at the same time, and actually keep it going for 7, 10 or 12 hours straight. I don't see how you could replicate that experience with alcohol+weed, or how you wouldn't straight up destroy your head and liver in a few years if you tried. Anyway I'm done with this, I really don't care what drinkers are doing, as long as I'm not a part of it. Booze up, ruin livers, drive into trees, I couldn't care less. Once someone knows about tripping and shrooming and they still carry on drinking like it's a good idea, as far as I'm concerned we're done.
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Spacerific]
#18924806 - 10/03/13 07:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Poland:
Don't say Polak KURWA Shitty beer Best speed ever Cheap labourers
And thus ends my knowledge of my fellow Polish
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Insanely knowledgeable psychologists, way ahead of the bullshit Freud spouted.
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Beanhead]
#18924830 - 10/03/13 07:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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good speed you say?
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Legend]
#18924853 - 10/03/13 07:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Polish pink or bikers or Dutch
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Beanhead]
#18924857 - 10/03/13 08:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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haha oh shit! looks like i need to reconnect with my heritage.
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Spacerific]
#18924880 - 10/03/13 08:07 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Your supreme ignorance amazes me.
Some of the best and most influential literature ever wrote was by drunks.
Most famous painters were drunks, not all but most.
Composers were drunks.
Drunk people creating a lack of creativity?? Bahahhahah you are fucked sideways in the head.
Drunks are the most creative people in the world. reasons being, the manipulate the actual reality around us and create shit based on whats actually there and make magnificent things from it.
Trippers, think they are on some high pedestal above everyone else because they needed a chemical to alter their original thinking pattern, which is where the crutch you use to support them being more creative comes from. Because you can not be that creative in your sober self, doesn't mean everyone can't. You are just like the below average intellectual who tripped some and think they have gained a higher knowledge. When in reality, if a person of higher intellect had the same experiences, they would just reflect and know it was just them tripping and not try to apply it to everyday life...
Sounds like you just blacked out too many times, made a fool of yourself, and have been alienated by those who you used to hang around with because of it. So now you bash alcohol.
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: unknown1123]
#18925768 - 10/03/13 01:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Oh so Alcohol doesn't effect your thinking pattern? Alcoholics don't need their alcohol to behave/feel as they wish? What does being creative in your sober self have to do with comparing alcoholics and trippers? I bet you've never met a tripper in your life that doses as much as your average alcoholic
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: twighead]
#18925774 - 10/03/13 01:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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man, people are fucking stupid. 
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Sounds like you just blacked out too many times, made a fool of yourself, and have been alienated by those who you used to hang around with because of it.
this is my favorite line of reasoning right here. Fear of the unknown, gee, so predictable.
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Spacerific]
#18925912 - 10/03/13 01:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I lived in Poland for about a year where I was getting my degree in nursing, which my mum first suggested I get because she needed my grandma to be cared forwhile she was away. It must be known that my mum will usually leave her house unattended, and she won't be there for atleast a week so I have to come over there and care for my nanny for her. Living in Poland I adopted their manner of speaking, I could go into a shop and purchase some charming object and have little to no holdups since I spoke the language superbly. My brother had a problem when he first moved to Poland because he, unlike myself, couldn't speak the language as well as I could. He ended up having to move to France which to him was alot easier to speak, and he took some French lessons by a language specialist whom coincidentally also gave my mum lessons last year. I remember he would come to our house and show my mum the basics to articulating a foreign language, and the lessons usually only lasted about an hour before he would have someone else he had to teach. He was so impressive that she decided to schedule lessons for my sister when she grew up a little more, since she was too young to speak she couldn't start right away, a slight delay was obviously going to be the case with her.
I've been living in Poland for a decade now and I can say without any traces of insincerity that it is one of the best places to live. The view outside of my house is beautiful, one of the greatest landscapes for tourists to travel to to get a look at elegant lands. Though my neighbor doesn't have a view as impressive as I do, his window has been blinded by the curtains, and these curtains won't budge from their original location so he, unlike I, cannot look outside of his window to see the landscape in front of him. Sometimes I will invite him over to take a look at what I'm seeing outside of my window, which I find so elegant that I naturally can't not allow someone to see it..
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: unknown1123]
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unknown1123 said: Your supreme ignorance amazes me.
Some of the best and most influential literature ever wrote was by drunks.
Most famous painters were drunks, not all but most.
Composers were drunks.
Drunk people creating a lack of creativity?? Bahahhahah you are fucked sideways in the head.
Drunks are the most creative people in the world. reasons being, the manipulate the actual reality around us and create shit based on whats actually there and make magnificent things from it.

I get what you're saying, that some people made nice works of art when all they had to change their states was booze.
What I'm saying, is that the same people with the same training would have made even more awesome stuff, if they had access to shrooms, mescaline, ayahuasca or acid. I think the world is much poorer compared to what it could have been, if these things were used properly, throughout society.
Here have a look at this. Show me anything similar done with lowly booze.
There are plenty of stories of people going from struggling with alcoholism, to cured and happy with the help of one of those psychedelics named above. I have yet to see the opposite happening. Someone starting with psychedelics, then from there moving to intense use of alcohol, and say that wow, their life is so much better now. Show me some stuff like that, I'd really like to see it.
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Sounds like you just blacked out too many times, made a fool of yourself, and have been alienated by those who you used to hang around with because of it. So now you bash alcohol.
I was never a heavy drinker dude, never blacked out. You're way off on this one. I've always had a poor opinion of drinkers and smokers, and I don't expect it to change any time soon.
As far as I'm concerned, people instinctively long for shroom-like states if anything, and are resorting to booze out of laziness, ignorance of alternatives, or because it's more socially acceptable. Basically settling.
Just out of curiosity, for me a mild mushroom trip seemed to include all the effects of alcohol, with none of the drawbacks and no hangover. What exactly do you claim alcohol has over a low dose of shrooms? I'm not talking legality-wise, I mean effects-wise.
I still can't believe this is not obvious, on a shroom forum.
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This thread has been closed.
Reason: This has turned into a name calling, shit stain of a thread.
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