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Re: lets talk shatter. [Re: SoreSpore]
    #18919120 - 10/02/13 12:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't use the term marijuana.
Dat shits kinda racist.
Unless your brown, then its cool

On another note,
Mexicans grow some fire.
In America, and in Mexico.
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Re: lets talk shatter. [Re: SurReality]
    #18919169 - 10/02/13 12:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I know that, but isn't the term "honey oil" a little misleading. I remember 10 years ago or so when I first started hearing about it, I was all like "why the fuck would I want honey mixed with my hash?"




lol! i guess you never heard of ear wax hash



10 years ago, no I don't think I had. But yes I've smoked ear wax. It's a good concentrate.


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Re: lets talk shatter. [Re: nicechrisman]
    #18919205 - 10/02/13 12:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Earwax wasn't popular at all 10 years ago.
Thats pretty much when butane "honey" hash :smug: earrl came about.

Old school vs New school :tongue2:

I'd still smoke with all yall happily :wink:
I'll bring the rig, my 16" steamroller, and a couple packs of king zigs :lol:


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Re: lets talk shatter. [Re: nicechrisman]
    #18919214 - 10/02/13 12:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i don't see why a term like honey oil would be confusing tho, there are all kinds of terms out there that are obviously not literal. how about poop deck on a boat, lol there are all kind of weird terms in boat jargon...

as far a drugs go... weed, grass, joint, glass, ice, special k, the list goes on lol.


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Re: lets talk shatter. [Re: SoreSpore]
    #18919215 - 10/02/13 12:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Brubbles said:
"Shatter" is a reference to a specific texture of concentrated hash oil rather than the name of the product itself. Clarity helps threads such as these because so many people use different/local terminology.



Shatter?
Oil?
Earl?
BHO?
Wax?
Oil?
Budder?


wtf is what yo




each one  means something different

Shatter? - glass (rock heard.  usually vac purged)
Oil? cuz be runny (usully not purged beyond a double bouiler)
Earl? No fuckin clue
BHO? Its huny oil (butane oil).. its not a solid... its a liquid (runny).  usually meaning lil to no purge = impure
Wax? wax u heated and usually mixed over and over.... releasin the gas bubble (good)
Oil? same as BHO (unless u mean iso oil)
Budder?  made being purged with heatings and tons of mixing,  (very tasty)
GLASS - Best grade.. Purged so well its like class. supper smooth.  no additive :sunny: (best)


more butane u get out, the better the harsh. more safe. and better.....  u usually need a special vac to get real glass/shatter


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Re: lets talk shatter. [Re: P-O] * 1
    #18919245 - 10/02/13 12:37 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Earrls just an older term for earl.

Shatter used to be called glass.
Pure, clear, amber is best IME.


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Re: lets talk shatter. [Re: P-O]
    #18919251 - 10/02/13 12:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

that's not entirely true. wax and budder is the same, and that's not how you're supposed to make them.

earl is just slang for oil

and BHO is really any kind butane extracted hash, its really all oil in different consistencies.

never heard it called glass but i would assume thats just shatter. and shatter is not as clean as proper budder which is made by continuing to purge beyond shatter for a very long time. no mixing is necessary only time.


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Re: lets talk shatter. [Re: pcplease]
    #18919255 - 10/02/13 12:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

those pictures of 16 inch sheets of shatter make my mouth water :evil:


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Re: lets talk shatter. [Re: SurReality]
    #18919270 - 10/02/13 12:44 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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SurReality said:
that's not entirely true. wax and budder is the same, and that's not how you're supposed to make them.

earl is just slang for oil

and BHO is really any kind butane extracted hash, its really all oil in different consistencies.

never heard it called glass but i would assume thats just shatter. and shatter is not as clean as proper budder which is made by continuing to purge beyond shatter for a very long time. no mixing is necessary only time.


let the snobbery commence





ha ha im sure its deferent lingo anywhere.  so no hate at all.  im not sober :biggrin: .


    ive made a few batches in my day.  and wax is like a "ear wax" consisty .... while if u mix it over and over and over... it becomes one  solid u can pick up in ur fingers... people call it budder here (lil better then earwax).  tons of videos on how budder.


glass = shatter ... there are sick pics online of wicked sheets of bho glass :cool:


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Re: lets talk shatter. [Re: P-O]
    #18919292 - 10/02/13 12:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

yea glass is definitely slightly less pure than proper budder... not noticeable from smoking it and feeling high, but purging beyond glass you can just taste the purity. also if you think about it budder is basically only trichromes if you look at it under a scope or just with a nice camera you can see the trichromes. glass is still sort of liquid solution just a drier solid solution of solvent and dissolved trichromes if that makes sense.

also if you hold shatter in your hand firmly and let it reach your body temp it will begin to melt, trichomes don't melt at body temperature so the much be something else in there that is causing it to melt.


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Re: lets talk shatter. [Re: SurReality]
    #18919296 - 10/02/13 12:52 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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let the snobbery commence




lol. I don't think budder is more potent than shatter because of the longer purging time though. When I use butane I don't even use a vacuum anymore, just redissolve in acetone or alcohol and that gets just as much out after a couple times, and I make shatter after getting out all the non polar waxes. Those waxes I think are some of the reason budder gets that consistency. But Idk a lot about budder, I made that the least of any concentrate.

the trichs are all dissolved by the butane though, never looked at it through a microscope, but I hear that whipping destroys terps, maybe that's what you see? Not sure.


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Re: lets talk shatter. [Re: Eminence]
    #18919306 - 10/02/13 12:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

no the potency difference is negligible for sure. but getting those tiny trace impurities out really bring out the flavor.

also i'm not talking about whipping, that is not how you should make budder. you need to not touch it at all and just over purge it sometimes it take all day. and really isn't worth the effort unless you deal with huge batches.


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Re: lets talk shatter. [Re: SurReality]
    #18919319 - 10/02/13 01:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Well I mean the purest concentrates don't really have a taste. My shatter barely has any taste, because pretty much everything including the terps are taken out of it along with the waxes and any other stuff that made it through the solvent. So making an absolute shatter would be stronger than budder, but shatter that isn't absolute could be less potent. I just don't know if you can (easily) make budder after getting rid of the waxes.

But "better" is subjective. I know people would prefer stuff that is less potent than the extracts I make because it has more smell/flavor.


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Re: lets talk shatter. [Re: Eminence]
    #18919333 - 10/02/13 01:07 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Well I mean the purest concentrates don't really have a taste. My shatter barely has any taste, because pretty much everything including the terps are taken out of it along with the waxes and any other stuff that made it through the solvent. So making an absolute shatter would be stronger than budder, but shatter that isn't absolute could be less potent. I just don't know if you can (easily) make budder after getting rid of the waxes.

But "better" is subjective. I know people would prefer stuff that is less potent than the extracts I make because it has more smell/flavor.




yea fuck that, don't take out the fucking terps. it might be more potent but if your not locking in the flavor its a shame. i guess i could be wrong about a negligible potency difference. but in my mind pure doesn't me most potent, just least impurities from the solvent, as far as BHO goes.

better is certainly subjective and i object to throwing out the natural flavor. you must really heat the shit out of it or something. i did that on accident once and got that tasteless effect and just gave it all away because i felt like it was burned.


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Re: lets talk shatter. [Re: SurReality]
    #18919351 - 10/02/13 01:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Nah I barely use heat. Just refine the shit out of it. It kinda comes along with winterizing it to get the waxes out. If I had a convenient way to keep some terps while getting rid of the waxes I'd do it. But the waxes in concentrates make my chest feel tight when I smoke, and makes my breathing feel sorta shallow afterwards so I just do it because it's a lot smoother that way. I can always throw some on some good nugs for taste though so it doesn't bother me at all. There's definitely more impurities in any concentrate than just solvent though.


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Re: lets talk shatter. [Re: Eminence]
    #18919375 - 10/02/13 01:27 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

to each his own... im ripped on bubble hash

imo!!....


iso oil > honey oil/bho > earwax > budder > shatter/glass > full melt ice hash

Personally enjoy High Grade ice (full melt)  so much!!!!! easier to make.  cleaner product.  get different grade of hash.  easier to smoke.  and lasts forever :heart:


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Re: lets talk shatter. [Re: P-O]
    #18919379 - 10/02/13 01:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah sometimes I use bubble bags to make dry ice hash before I run some butane or hexane through and just keep a little as is to sprinkle on some bowls every now and then. The red iso oil I mentioned before in the thread was definitely one of my favorites though.


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Re: lets talk shatter. [Re: Eminence]
    #18919383 - 10/02/13 01:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

im too stoned to read back..


how did u make it red?



we call that "cherry oil " here.... i was told u need a different solvent


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Re: lets talk shatter. [Re: P-O]
    #18919392 - 10/02/13 01:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You referring to CO2 maybe? Cherry oil was first with Iso. It's just hard to get right, everything's gotta be done quick and as cold as you can make it. Pure Iso and I think it's good if the bud is just broken up a little instead of ground up so no chlorophyll etc leaches out. It's basically just like the golden Iso oil you can get with a good wash, except the terps are still all there.


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Re: lets talk shatter. [Re: Eminence]
    #18919520 - 10/02/13 03:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Any y'all making shatter wanna post up some teks?


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