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Panaeolus (Copelandia) tropicalis best substrate for MS syringe
    #18918429 - 10/01/13 09:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Panaeolus (Copelandia) tropicalis , ive just got these in to day. What should i inoculate with them. Ive got WBS, rye, corn, or BRF.  First time grow on these and cant find a stright for forward tek. Can someone point me the right way on a tek.


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Re: Panaeolus (Copelandia) tropicalis best substrate for MS syringe [Re: mushbecrazy]
    #18918436 - 10/01/13 09:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

If you're looking for a straightforward tek then you can case the colonized grains and fruit that in a sgfc.


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Re: Panaeolus (Copelandia) tropicalis best substrate for MS syringe [Re: mushbecrazy]
    #18918449 - 10/01/13 09:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Any whole grains should work, although I'd prefer rye the most for the ease and WBS second. I'd go with using the rye or WBS grains rather than the BRF if using for spawn.


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Re: Panaeolus (Copelandia) tropicalis best substrate for MS syringe [Re: Sagescruffy]
    #18918451 - 10/01/13 09:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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If you're looking for a straightforward tek then you can case the colonized grains and fruit that in a sgfc.




Pans need manure though, not just straight grains.


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Re: Panaeolus (Copelandia) tropicalis best substrate for MS syringe [Re: Sagescruffy]
    #18918455 - 10/01/13 09:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Well im not a worried about simplistics of it. What temps. Humidity? Temp heard they take cooler temps. Straw/poo the best for them? Do i inoculate grain or poo? This kind of stuff im asking


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Re: Panaeolus (Copelandia) tropicalis best substrate for MS syringe [Re: mushmagic]
    #18918461 - 10/01/13 09:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Pans need manure though, not just straight grains.







This is what i was reading.


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Re: Panaeolus (Copelandia) tropicalis best substrate for MS syringe [Re: mushbecrazy]
    #18918468 - 10/01/13 09:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Well im not a worried about simplistics of it. What temps. Humidity? Temp heard they take cooler temps. Straw/poo the best for them? Do i inoculate grain or poo? This kind of stuff im asking




They're quite similar to cubes when it comes to the environment.

Grains are spawn and manure is a bulk substrate so you would inoculate the grains and spawn that to the bulk substrate, manure.


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Re: Panaeolus (Copelandia) tropicalis best substrate for MS syringe [Re: mushmagic]
    #18918482 - 10/01/13 09:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Can i use manure from black cow or does it need fresh?


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Re: Panaeolus (Copelandia) tropicalis best substrate for MS syringe [Re: mushmagic]
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Re: Panaeolus (Copelandia) tropicalis best substrate for MS syringe [Re: Sagescruffy]
    #18918495 - 10/01/13 09:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I should rephrase that, they need manure for it to be anything worth while.


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Re: Panaeolus (Copelandia) tropicalis best substrate for MS syringe [Re: Sagescruffy]
    #18918499 - 10/01/13 09:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks Sagescruffy thats what i was looking for. How do they compare to cubensis on bulk to potency ratios.


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Re: Panaeolus (Copelandia) tropicalis best substrate for MS syringe [Re: mushbecrazy]
    #18918519 - 10/01/13 09:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Should i use spore syringe on a agar petrie dish. Or stright in rye


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Re: Panaeolus (Copelandia) tropicalis best substrate for MS syringe [Re: mushbecrazy]
    #18918532 - 10/01/13 09:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Just use the syringe. Use the agar when you get some prints.


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Re: Panaeolus (Copelandia) tropicalis best substrate for MS syringe [Re: Sagescruffy]
    #18918536 - 10/01/13 09:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Pans are several times more potent than cubensis, so whatever yield you get can be multiplied by 2x-3x or more. Then considering pans need less substrate (like half as much) you can then double that number once again. So it's possible that pans actually yield more total alkaloids from a bulk grow compared to Cubensis.


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Re: Panaeolus (Copelandia) tropicalis best substrate for MS syringe [Re: mushmagic]
    #18918551 - 10/01/13 09:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks everyone all very helpful


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Re: Panaeolus (Copelandia) tropicalis best substrate for MS syringe [Re: Sagescruffy]
    #18918556 - 10/01/13 09:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

So its lik
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Pans are several times more potent than cubensis, so whatever yield you get can be multiplied by 2x-3x or more. Then considering pans need less substrate (like half as much) you can then double that number once again. So it's possible that pans actually yield more total alkaloids from a bulk grow compared to Cubensis.






So there like hydro shrooms so to say.


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Re: Panaeolus (Copelandia) tropicalis best substrate for MS syringe [Re: mushbecrazy]
    #18918559 - 10/01/13 09:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Can i use manure from black cow or does it need fresh?




I haven't used manure yet (although I've set some aside for the future), but I've read that it needs to be fully dehydrated, and leeched by water and sun until grey. So aged at least. I don't think the colour of the cow it came from matters. :lol:


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Re: Panaeolus (Copelandia) tropicalis best substrate for MS syringe [Re: hidyn]
    #18918582 - 10/01/13 10:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Can i use manure from black cow or does it need fresh?




I haven't used manure yet (although I've set some aside for the future), but I've read that it needs to be fully dehydrated, and leeched by water and sun until grey. So aged at least. I don't think the colour of the cow it came from matters. :lol:







I guess i should of mentioned that black kow is a brand of manure. Its not all sand like the store brand. Sorry for mix up brand


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Re: Panaeolus (Copelandia) tropicalis best substrate for MS syringe [Re: mushbecrazy]
    #18918645 - 10/01/13 10:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Ah! Well in that case, I'd like to know the answer to that too, I've got some bagged manure from a store that was laying around, I was just going to try it out later alongside the stuff is collected.


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Re: Panaeolus (Copelandia) tropicalis best substrate for MS syringe [Re: hidyn]
    #18918715 - 10/01/13 10:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

MacMerdin did a modified PF tek grow with store bought manure (scotts brand) which he posted in the grow logs section. Not sure how scotts brand compares to black kow, but I do remember seeing others have luck using black kow too.


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