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Identification of these Lawn Ornaments?
    #18918198 - 10/01/13 08:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Hey all - I've identified one of the recent end of Sept/Oct NorCal lawn ornaments as toxic Scleroderma citrinum (earth ball... you can guess from the photo which one)

But I'm wondering if the other is potentially that tasty Matsutake... they are young but growing in close association with the roots of a big spruce tree. Smells nice too - anyone know how to ID it for sure?



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Re: Identification of these Lawn Ornaments? [Re: MM2312]
    #18918231 - 10/01/13 08:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I would say some type of agaric.


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Re: Identification of these Lawn Ornaments? [Re: Jeff]
    #18918253 - 10/01/13 08:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

An agaricus and a puffball.


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Re: Identification of these Lawn Ornaments? [Re: Ganzig]
    #18918428 - 10/01/13 09:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks - guys. Animals seem to be munching on the agaric/agaricus etc. we'll see what it looks like in a few weeks!


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Re: Identification of these Lawn Ornaments? [Re: MM2312]
    #18919495 - 10/02/13 02:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Oh, the agaricus will mature in a few days, so you won't have to wait very long. It might be edible (to humans), but you'll have to id it first.
The puffball looks like a scleroderma species; they're toxic.


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Re: Identification of these Lawn Ornaments? [Re: koraks]
    #18920863 - 10/02/13 12:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Cool thanks! One already did mature but something ate half of it - the gills when exposed were a light brown/pink in color no veil was present, ring was still present. Mushroom mostly had a flat top. More and more keep coming up in what looks like it may be along the roots of our large (20 yr+) spruce tree.

I'll post one more photo of the mature version... I'm not yet fully confident to ID anything beyond chantrells, morels and candy caps... the white ones spook me a little with how many toxic look-a-likes there are.


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Re: Identification of these Lawn Ornaments? [Re: MM2312]
    #18922879 - 10/02/13 06:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Agaricus looks yummy.  If it smells like almond and doesn't stain yellow, most likely tasty.  I noticed the older augustus bruised a bit yellow on cutting, but the buttons don't.


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Re: Identification of these Lawn Ornaments? [Re: fry day]
    #18923126 - 10/02/13 07:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Argaricus and Scleroderma

Too young and lacking info to be sure what type of argaricus.

Scleroderma likely Citrinum, in association with spruce.


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Re: Identification of these Lawn Ornaments? [Re: MM2312]
    #18923154 - 10/02/13 08:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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MM2312 said:


But I'm wondering if the other is potentially that tasty Matsutake...







You will never find a matsutake in a lawn.
You will usually find them under pine, buried beneath the duff build-up under the trees.

When you say in close association to the roots of the tree... Was that agaricus above or below ground?


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Re: Identification of these Lawn Ornaments? [Re: rev0kadavur]
    #18954070 - 10/09/13 12:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Hi - It was growing above ground, but just barely (by a couple of centimeters) I was thinking Matsukae because it was close enough to the huge spruce tree in our yard. Now I think it might be this one:
Agaricus campestris or meadow mushroom.

A good sized one is mature now - going to take more photos and do a spore print today.


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    #18954116 - 10/09/13 12:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It looks a lot like the toxic Agaricus xanthodermus. Checking for yellowed/yellowing stem as well.


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Re: Identification of these Lawn Ornaments? [Re: MM2312]
    #18954227 - 10/09/13 12:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

OK guys! thanks for your help! I think I got it, it's likely toxic and I'm guessing the species is Agaricus xanthodermus. It stains yellow almost immediately when cut through - see pic - esp. at the bulb and although the gills are not quite as pink on this specimen they start that way when they are younger and when much older are more brownish.





Here's what wiki has to say about the edibility... I'll steer clear.

Thanks all!  Will leave this up for others.


It appears that some people can eat this mushroom without ill effects,[1][4][12] but it can cause serious gastric problems. It is indigestible and gives rise to symptoms of sweating, flushing, and severe stomach cramps.[1][5][12]
Of those who gather Agaricus-style mushrooms, about 50% of the cases of poisoning are from this species. On cooking, the smell becomes very noticeable, and this may deter people from eating it inadvertently.[12]


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Re: Identification of these Lawn Ornaments? [Re: MM2312]
    #18956132 - 10/09/13 07:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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MM2312 said:
OK guys! thanks for your help! I think I got it, it's likely toxic and I'm guessing the species is Agaricus xanthodermus. It stains yellow almost immediately when cut through - see pic - esp. at the bulb and although the gills are not quite as pink on this specimen they start that way when they are younger and when much older are more brownish.





Here's what wiki has to say about the edibility... I'll steer clear.

Thanks all!  Will leave this up for others.


It appears that some people can eat this mushroom without ill effects,[1][4][12] but it can cause serious gastric problems. It is indigestible and gives rise to symptoms of sweating, flushing, and severe stomach cramps.[1][5][12]
Of those who gather Agaricus-style mushrooms, about 50% of the cases of poisoning are from this species. On cooking, the smell becomes very noticeable, and this may deter people from eating it inadvertently.[12]






Those gills dont look pink what so ever. . . . . they look pretty white.
Agaricus Arvensis has white gills and also stains yellow, but not in the base of the stem.
I would definitely toss that one, conflicting features, I would err on the side of caution, for sure.


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