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not enough cakes to case
    #18916441 - 10/01/13 02:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

really simple newby question
my friend needed about 10 cakes for his casing, ends up with only 6...
they are brf he plans to crumble

which of the 2 would be the easiest:
1. crumble and use crumblings to re-inoculate 10 cakes (make more substrate)
2. spawn the 6 cakes to a casing mix, let full innoc occur, then recrumble the full casing, and then re-case (hoping that this increases the mycelium available to fruit)

thanks in advance


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Re: not enough cakes to case [Re: jpack666]
    #18916518 - 10/01/13 02:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

i may have provided too few details...
so here...

my friend has a tub and because some of his brf cakes didnt spawn, he doesnt have enough collonized substrate to make a full layer at the bottom of his tub and he doesnt want to redo a smaller tub/casing chamber...

so he's wondering what is the best way to turn 6 half pint brf cakes to at least 10 of them... and have all of them full inoculates at the same time...

he also had the idea of casing/innoculating from one pan and always recrumbling the mixture once full innoc and then redoing a 50/50 mix in a pan twice as big and repeating the process untill he gets the amt of colonized substrate he wants to fruit... but he's a total newb and doesnt know if this is possible... but he thought this would be the only way since if he adds crumbles to sterilized substrate he is introducing contaminents to the jars... he doesnt know if this is still an issue if the mix is something like 50% sterilized brf and verm, then open jar in glove box and fill jar with colonized substrate crumblings and then reclose ans reinnoc... maybe if a jar is 50% fully colonized the contaminants won't have an impact.... but to him that feels more risky that just casing what he has and then crumbling the full casing once fully collonized and then recasing all the crumblings with new uncolonized casing mix.

along those lines, he thought of a third option..do  50/50 casing with the 6 cakes... make it really thin, wait for full innoc, then recase, wait for full innoc, then recase, in repetition until his casing would be at least 2-3 inches deep/thick...

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Re: not enough cakes to case [Re: jpack666]
    #18916669 - 10/01/13 03:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

fruit cakes as cakes.
As far as all that casing talk goes, I have no idea what you're talking about.
Try to distinguish between the words substrate and casing.


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Re: not enough cakes to case [Re: jpack666]
    #18916805 - 10/01/13 03:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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jpack666 said:
i may have provided too few details...
so here...

my friend has a tub and because some of his brf cakes didnt spawn, he doesnt have enough collonized substrate to make a full layer at the bottom of his tub and he doesnt want to redo a smaller tub/casing chamber...

so he's wondering what is the best way to turn 6 half pint brf cakes to at least 10 of them... and have all of them full inoculates at the same time...

he also had the idea of casing/innoculating from one pan and always recrumbling the mixture once full innoc and then redoing a 50/50 mix in a pan twice as big and repeating the process untill he gets the amt of colonized substrate he wants to fruit... but he's a total newb and doesnt know if this is possible... but he thought this would be the only way since if he adds crumbles to sterilized substrate he is introducing contaminents to the jars... he doesnt know if this is still an issue if the mix is something like 50% sterilized brf and verm, then open jar in glove box and fill jar with colonized substrate crumblings and then reclose ans reinnoc... maybe if a jar is 50% fully colonized the contaminants won't have an impact.... but to him that feels more risky that just casing what he has and then crumbling the full casing once fully collonized and then recasing all the crumblings with new uncolonized casing mix.

along those lines, he thought of a third option..do  50/50 casing with the 6 cakes... make it really thin, wait for full innoc, then recase, wait for full innoc, then recase, in repetition until his casing would be at least 2-3 inches deep/thick...

thanks





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Re: not enough cakes to case [Re: Stromrider]
    #18916817 - 10/01/13 03:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: not enough cakes to case [Re: spacechildo]
    #18916821 - 10/01/13 03:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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www.mushroomvideos.com Best tip I can give you
Follow it word by word, to the T-E-K!




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Re: not enough cakes to case [Re: Stromrider]
    #18917143 - 10/01/13 04:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

As far as going from start to finish the video link above yes is the best route to take.

In an attempt to educate you some, and avoid copying someone elses info, so that your posts in the future make more sense to us here reading and potentially hoping to help out, lets clear up a few things terminology wise...

First off, your best bet as already stated considering the grow method being used would be to simply just fruit the cakes as cakes.

Next, lets say you where to crumble your cakes up so you could use them to spread the myc growth on them onto something else... This would be using your cakes as "spawn".

You would take this "spawn" and distribute it into a "substrate". A "substrate" is a nutritious mixture that the mycelium can further colonize as to provide it with more nutrients and such for when it comes fruiting time.

"Fruits" are the mushrooms you actually grow off whatever it is you're growing them off...

To establish something with regards to P. Cubensis. They do not need a "casing" layer to grow. They will fruit perfectly fine without one.

I cant honestly say whether or not rolling a cake in verm is considered a form of casing or not... I'm sure someone will jump to answer this soon enough though. I can however say that generally a casing layer is something that needs to be "pasteurized" to kill off any unwanted meanies living in it. Do not however get "pasteurized" confused with "sterilized" as they are 2 very different things.

Also, to my understanding vermiculite is pretty much sterile right out the bag.

You would pressure cook something to properly "sterilize" it, while "pasteurization" is a method used where you keep your mixture at 160 degree's F for at least an hour.

A "casing" layer is a non nutritious layer that is applied to the top, or areas of a substrate that you plan to fruit, to assist with moisture, relative humidity, and prob a mess of other things. I'm not going to go into detail nor am I very knowledgeable about casing so Id rather not misinform you here. Just imagine in nature, theres a fully colonized nutritious mixture that the muc has fully colonized that is covered up with some sort of dirt or hay that it fruits through, this layer covering it up is your "casing". If you look up what people on here use for casing layers its literally in some cases just filtered potting soil.

That being said, there are certain types of mushrooms that require a casing layer to grow. A lot of the time these same mushrooms also require zero misting after they've started growing unlike your Cubensis which can handle misting just fine...

I feel like this should be a good starting point for you, and as I said if anything mentioned here is not completely accurate it'll be quickly corrected as well many members here are quicker to jump on someone for that then to answer the OP's original question... and I love them for this lol. Best of luck!

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Re: not enough cakes to case [Re: Mosey3012]
    #18917241 - 10/01/13 04:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Mosey3012 said:
As far as going from start to finish the video link above yes is the best route to take.

In an attempt to educate you some, and avoid copying someone elses info, so that your posts in the future make more sense to us here reading and potentially hoping to help out, lets clear up a few things terminology wise...

First off, your best bet as already stated considering the grow method being used would be to simply just fruit the cakes as cakes.

Next, lets say you where to crumble your cakes up so you could use them to spread the myc growth on them onto something else... This would be using your cakes as "spawn".

You would take this "spawn" and distribute it into a "substrate". A "substrate" is a nutritious mixture that the mycelium can further colonize as to provide it with more nutrients and such for when it comes fruiting time.

"Fruits" are the mushrooms you actually grow off whatever it is you're growing them off...

To establish something with regards to P. Cubensis. They do not need a "casing" layer to grow. They will fruit perfectly fine without one.

I cant honestly say whether or not rolling a cake in verm is considered a form of casing or not... I'm sure someone will jump to answer this soon enough though. I can however say that generally a casing layer is something that needs to be "pasteurized" to kill off any unwanted meanies living in it. Do not however get "pasteurized" confused with "sterilized" as they are 2 very different things.

Also, to my understanding vermiculite is pretty much sterile right out the bag.

You would pressure cook something to properly "sterilize" it, while "pasteurization" is a method used where you keep your mixture at 160 degree's F for at least an hour.

A "casing" layer is a non nutritious layer that is applied to the top, or areas of a substrate that you plan to fruit, to assist with moisture, relative humidity, and prob a mess of other things. I'm not going to go into detail nor am I very knowledgeable about casing so Id rather not misinform you here. Just imagine in nature, theres a fully colonized nutritious mixture that the muc has fully colonized that is covered up with some sort of dirt or hay that it fruits through, this layer covering it up is your "casing". If you look up what people on here use for casing layers its literally in some cases just filtered potting soil.

That being said, there are certain types of mushrooms that require a casing layer to grow. A lot of the time these same mushrooms also require zero misting after they've started growing unlike your Cubensis which can handle misting just fine...

I feel like this should be a good starting point for you, and as I said if anything mentioned here is not completely accurate it'll be quickly corrected as well many members here are quicker to jump on someone for that then to answer the OP's original question... and I love them for this lol. Best of luck!

Mosey



Quote:

Mosey3012 said:
As far as going from start to finish the video link above yes is the best route to take.

In an attempt to educate you some, and avoid copying someone elses info, so that your posts in the future make more sense to us here reading and potentially hoping to help out, lets clear up a few things terminology wise...

First off, your best bet as already stated considering the grow method being used would be to simply just fruit the cakes as cakes.

Next, lets say you where to crumble your cakes up so you could use them to spread the myc growth on them onto something else... This would be using your cakes as "spawn".

You would take this "spawn" and distribute it into a "substrate". A "substrate" is a nutritious mixture that the mycelium can further colonize as to provide it with more nutrients and such for when it comes fruiting time.

"Fruits" are the mushrooms you actually grow off whatever it is you're growing them off...

To establish something with regards to P. Cubensis. They do not need a "casing" layer to grow. They will fruit perfectly fine without one.

I cant honestly say whether or not rolling a cake in verm is considered a form of casing or not... I'm sure someone will jump to answer this soon enough though. I can however say that generally a casing layer is something that needs to be "pasteurized" to kill off any unwanted meanies living in it. Do not however get "pasteurized" confused with "sterilized" as they are 2 very different things.

Also, to my understanding vermiculite is pretty much sterile right out the bag.

You would pressure cook something to properly "sterilize" it, while "pasteurization" is a method used where you keep your mixture at 160 degree's F for at least an hour.

A "casing" layer is a non nutritious layer that is applied to the top, or areas of a substrate that you plan to fruit, to assist with moisture, relative humidity, and prob a mess of other things. I'm not going to go into detail nor am I very knowledgeable about casing so Id rather not misinform you here. Just imagine in nature, theres a fully colonized nutritious mixture that the muc has fully colonized that is covered up with some sort of dirt or hay that it fruits through, this layer covering it up is your "casing". If you look up what people on here use for casing layers its literally in some cases just filtered potting soil.

That being said, there are certain types of mushrooms that require a casing layer to grow. A lot of the time these same mushrooms also require zero misting after they've started growing unlike your Cubensis which can handle misting just fine...

I feel like this should be a good starting point for you, and as I said if anything mentioned here is not completely accurate it'll be quickly corrected as well many members here are quicker to jump on someone for that then to answer the OP's original question... and I love them for this lol. Best of luck!

Mosey




thanks. i really
Quote:

Mosey3012 said:
As far as going from start to finish the video link above yes is the best route to take.

In an attempt to educate you some, and avoid copying someone elses info, so that your posts in the future make more sense to us here reading and potentially hoping to help out, lets clear up a few things terminology wise...

First off, your best bet as already stated considering the grow method being used would be to simply just fruit the cakes as cakes.

Next, lets say you where to crumble your cakes up so you could use them to spread the myc growth on them onto something else... This would be using your cakes as "spawn".

You would take this "spawn" and distribute it into a "substrate". A "substrate" is a nutritious mixture that the mycelium can further colonize as to provide it with more nutrients and such for when it comes fruiting time.

"Fruits" are the mushrooms you actually grow off whatever it is you're growing them off...

To establish something with regards to P. Cubensis. They do not need a "casing" layer to grow. They will fruit perfectly fine without one.

I cant honestly say whether or not rolling a cake in verm is considered a form of casing or not... I'm sure someone will jump to answer this soon enough though. I can however say that generally a casing layer is something that needs to be "pasteurized" to kill off any unwanted meanies living in it. Do not however get "pasteurized" confused with "sterilized" as they are 2 very different things.

Also, to my understanding vermiculite is pretty much sterile right out the bag.

You would pressure cook something to properly "sterilize" it, while "pasteurization" is a method used where you keep your mixture at 160 degree's F for at least an hour.

A "casing" layer is a non nutritious layer that is applied to the top, or areas of a substrate that you plan to fruit, to assist with moisture, relative humidity, and prob a mess of other things. I'm not going to go into detail nor am I very knowledgeable about casing so Id rather not misinform you here. Just imagine in nature, theres a fully colonized nutritious mixture that the muc has fully colonized that is covered up with some sort of dirt or hay that it fruits through, this layer covering it up is your "casing". If you look up what people on here use for casing layers its literally in some cases just filtered potting soil.

That being said, there are certain types of mushrooms that require a casing layer to grow. A lot of the time these same mushrooms also require zero misting after they've started growing unlike your Cubensis which can handle misting just fine...

I feel like this should be a good starting point for you, and as I said if anything mentioned here is not completely accurate it'll be quickly corrected as well many members here are quicker to jump on someone for that then to answer the OP's original question... and I love them for this lol. Best of luck!

Mosey




thanks. i now see how without exact terminology it is difficult to understand me

so my friend... will crumble brf cakes and use them as spawn to spread myc growth to a substrate. probably 50/50 peat-verm. what he wants to know: once the myc will have fully spread to this substrate, ready to fruit, insteading of fruiting, can he keep spreading the myc to more substrate to increase the yield he will get? can he take this colonised substrate, crumble it and use it as spawn for more peat/verm? or can he just add a peat-verm layer over the colonized substrate, keep ithe dark and wait for the below layers to spawn the new layer? thus gradually increasing the myc he is going to fruit from? would this increase yield or compensate for fewer cakes than expected?

i appologize in advance if at some point i may have used wrong terminology, thanks for helping me help my friend


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Re: not enough cakes to case [Re: jpack666]
    #18917415 - 10/01/13 05:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

if this is all about words... then lets invent new words and no one will be confused. lets call it a myc cake... like a real cake imagine it 12" long, 6" wide & 1" thick... fully colonized substrate... a big white brick. lets call this a myc cake for lack of a better word. all my friend is asking is if this myc cake could be crumbled up to spawn more pastheurized substrate... you know... to end up with the same thing but instead your final myc cake is 12" x 6" BUT 2" thick now? has this ever been done? using a fully colonized bulk substrate, crumbling it up to use as spawn for a pastheurized mix?


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Re: not enough cakes to case [Re: jpack666]
    #18917799 - 10/01/13 07:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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so my friend... will crumble brf cakes and use them as spawn to spread myc growth to a substrate. probably 50/50 peat-verm.




Peat/verm is a casing material, not a substrate material.  BRF cakes are already 2/3 verm, so casing provides no additional benefit.  If you don't want to fruit them as cakes, break them up and spawn to a bulk substrate such as pasteurized coir or straw, horse manure, etc.  When the bulk substrate is fully colonized, fruit it as is, uncased.
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Re: not enough cakes to case [Re: jpack666]
    #18918117 - 10/01/13 08:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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if this is all about words... then lets invent new words and no one will be confused. lets call it a myc cake... like a real cake imagine it 12" long, 6" wide & 1" thick... fully colonized substrate... a big white brick. lets call this a myc cake for lack of a better word. all my friend is asking is if this myc cake could be crumbled up to spawn more pastheurized substrate... you know... to end up with the same thing but instead your final myc cake is 12" x 6" BUT 2" thick now? has this ever been done? using a fully colonized bulk substrate, crumbling it up to use as spawn for a pastheurized mix?




Yes


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Re: not enough cakes to case [Re: jpack666]
    #18918444 - 10/01/13 09:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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jpack666 said:
i may have provided too few details...
so here...

my friend has a tub and because some of his brf cakes didnt spawn, he doesnt have enough collonized substrate to make a full layer at the bottom of his tub and he doesnt want to redo a smaller tub/casing chamber...

so he's wondering what is the best way to turn 6 half pint brf cakes to at least 10 of them... and have all of them full inoculates at the same time...

he also had the idea of casing/innoculating from one pan and always recrumbling the mixture once full innoc and then redoing a 50/50 mix in a pan twice as big and repeating the process untill he gets the amt of colonized substrate he wants to fruit... but he's a total newb and doesnt know if this is possible... but he thought this would be the only way since if he adds crumbles to sterilized substrate he is introducing contaminents to the jars... he doesnt know if this is still an issue if the mix is something like 50% sterilized brf and verm, then open jar in glove box and fill jar with colonized substrate crumblings and then reclose ans reinnoc... maybe if a jar is 50% fully colonized the contaminants won't have an impact.... but to him that feels more risky that just casing what he has and then crumbling the full casing once fully collonized and then recasing all the crumblings with new uncolonized casing mix.

along those lines, he thought of a third option..do  50/50 casing with the 6 cakes... make it really thin, wait for full innoc, then recase, wait for full innoc, then recase, in repetition until his casing would be at least 2-3 inches deep/thick...

thanks






Why not just fruit the cakes and make spore prints to make more cakes? Less chance of failure, and greater chance of success. Your friend can get decent flushes on cakes. Tell your friend to get an internet connection.


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Re: not enough cakes to case [Re: Sockadin]
    #18918508 - 10/01/13 09:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, if you're *just* asking about casing there is no real point, the mycilium get a negligible amount of nutrients from the casing layer so you might as well just fruit the cakes. If you're asking about expanding them into a bigger substrate then spawn them to the substrate. It's a matter of what's on top.

If you took 4 circular cakes and put them in a square shape evenly distributed on the bottom of a tub and dumped coir on it you your coir is a substrate as the mycilium will fill the gaps between each cake and likely colonize the substrate upwards until any one cake detects fruiting conditions. Depending how well they are connected this will then send the fruiting signal to the rest of the cakes as they all work together.

If you crumble up the cakes and put less than an inch or so of coir on top of them then the top layer will likely already be in fruiting conditions and thus trigger the substrate below to fruit, thus it is a casing layer. This is all a function of time and space, as well as your strains own characteristics. They're very mathematical in nature, why do you think they're called cubes?


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Re: not enough cakes to case [Re: krypto2000]
    #18918677 - 10/01/13 10:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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If you crumble up the cakes and put less than an inch or so of coir on top of them then the top layer will likely already be in fruiting conditions and thus trigger the substrate below to fruit, thus it is a casing layer.



:facepalm:  No bro....please just stop.

So much bullshit in such a little post.....jeez....

The substrate will not fruit until it is fully colonized/given FAE......

The top layer has nothing to do with this, and coir is not casing layer material, even if it is less than an inch thick, it's still not casing layer material.

Not only that but that top layer is not even needed over the bulk substrate.

And layering is so 1999, mix the spawn evenly with the substrate, do not layer it....it will colonize faster and more evenly.

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This is all a function of time and space, as well as your strains own characteristics. They're very mathematical in nature, why do you think they're called cubes?



Because it is an shorter way of saying P. Cubensis.....not because they are actually square in shape, or mathematical in any way....

They are actually pretty unpredictable when dealing with spores.....

Hence the term cubes are cubes....


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Re: not enough cakes to case [Re: PussyFart]
    #18918770 - 10/01/13 10:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

If you put coir on as a casing layer it will case it, if you put it in as a substrate it will be a substrate, they adapt to your environment and *you*. In 1999 people thought coir was a casing layer, thus, for them, it *was* a casing layer. Some people still use it as a casing layer and they were not wrong in 1999, most people just do it differently today. Mushrooms can eat anything, including everything that is currently used as a casing layer (what is 'topsoil' if not everything surrounding it naturally composting?). They can eat rocks, vermiculite, anything cellulose, etc. They just want to recombine primarily, so when you crumble them up as a bulk spawn they are simply traveling through the substrate to recombine, that's why the depths are important, and the spacing of the spawn.


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Re: not enough cakes to case [Re: krypto2000]
    #18918842 - 10/01/13 10:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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If you put coir on as a casing layer it will case it, if you put it in as a substrate it will be a substrate, they adapt to your environment and *you*.



Not true at all.....

A casing layer has little to no nutrients.....coir is highly nutritious....

Coir will always be a substrate material because of this.....

If you apply coir to the top of a bulk substrate, it will most likely fully colonize.

That is not something you want to happen to your casing layer.


If coir is added as a "top layer", than that is what it is, not a casing layer....there is a difference.


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Re: not enough cakes to case [Re: jpack666]
    #18918913 - 10/01/13 11:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

really simple newby question
my friend needed about 10 cakes for his casing, ends up with only 6...
they are brf he plans to crumble

which of the 2 would be the easiest:
1. crumble and use crumblings to re-inoculate 10 cakes (make more substrate)

Too prone to contamination. BRF is too nutritious to treat like a bulk substrate.

2. spawn the 6 cakes to a casing mix, let full innoc occur, then recrumble the full casing, and then re-case (hoping that this increases the mycelium available to fruit)

Sounds like you have some terms confused, but this technique is called superspawning and is not advisable. Again, more prone to contamination.

thanks in advance

A few bits of advice.
Spend some more time in this forum and really familiarize yourself with the terms used so you can better communicate.

PF tek cakes are best dunked and rolled in oven baked vermiculite (search dunk and roll) once they have consolidated for one week. Fruit in a SGFC (shotgun fruiting chamber).

Cup o' shrooms is another favorite. Solo cup with 1/2 inch moist vermiculite on the bottom. Crumble cake on top and sprinkle more verm to fill voids. Extra verm layer on top as a casing layer. Spray the casing daily and keep covered with a ziploc bag to retain humidity. I've seen very impressive flushes using this method, but it is most convenient because it takes up less space than a SGFC.

If you really want to spawn to bulk substrate like coir I'd start with a spawn made from red milo, rye, or wild bird seed...not brf cakes.


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Re: not enough cakes to case [Re: TheMaster]
    #18919583 - 10/02/13 04:19 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Wait your suppose to bake your vermiculite? I always used it straight out of the bag.

           


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Re: not enough cakes to case [Re: Sockadin]
    #18919693 - 10/02/13 05:58 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Wait your suppose to bake your vermiculite? I always used it straight out of the bag.

           




When I did cakes I always rolled the cakes in the verm right out of the bag with no issues


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Re: not enough cakes to case [Re: Stromrider]
    #18920204 - 10/02/13 09:58 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Sockadin said:
Wait your suppose to bake your vermiculite? I always used it straight out of the bag.

           




When I did cakes I always rolled the cakes in the verm right out of the bag with no issues




Yes, verm straight out of the bag is pretty clean as is, has essentially zero nutrient value, and fully colonized cakes are resistant to contamination...Why risk it? There could be no issues like most people have, or a spore load I'd rather not think about waiting in there.

Not saying baked is better, but it hurts nothing and I'd hate to see a noob toss all that work away because their batch of verm had enemy spores lurking in it "right out of the bag".

Maybe I'm overly cautious, but after 6 years in this hobby I have yet to see the dreaded green trich. (knocks on wood) :mushroom2:


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