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Re: 9/11 Allowed to Happen? [Re: pattern]
#1888534 - 09/06/03 01:40 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Not to seem indifferent or insensitive to the 3 or 4(?) thousand amerikans killed on sept 11th but what exactly happened to the dog?
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I'll repeat, in order to believe I'd have to abandon all common sense
Common sense is rarely sensible and never common.Common sense means the sense of events held in common with others.Given the track record of group assesments of sensibilities,I personaly gave up "common sense" long ago and chose to examine events as an individual.What I have now is Idividual Sense. Bush Knew! He had not a clue as to what would occur but that "pearl harbor" would ocurr is obvious.I am at a loss how bush apologists can discount the governments own documents and timeline of the deployment of defensive fighters(or lack thereof)And that the prez was not whisked away the way cheney was. WR
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yawn.... i thought libbies where supposed to be creative?
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Re: 9/11 Allowed to Happen? [Re: afoaf]
#1888715 - 09/06/03 03:01 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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every protocol governing the FAA and Norad was ignored and no planes were scrambled to so much as investigate what was going on even after one of the 'off course' planes flew into the first tower. this is what i'm talking about... if the lack of interceptors was intentional, it would have required the conspirators to order whatever military officers are responsible for such missions to keep their planes grounded. president was not immediately secured when it was readily apparent that the united states was being attacked from the skies. quite the opposite, really, he stayed put, *unsure* if he was out of danger and continued a very trivial PR stunt. if the secret service was briefed about the whole conspiracy, now there's a whole core of secret service agents who know an evil, evil secret as well. then you have the bevy of domestic and international intelligence agents who profess that they alerted the government to the plan before it occured. who are they, and what did they say? source? there is also the whole PNAC organization and its existing warplan from 2000 that looks a heck of a lot like the one that is currently being implemented. might that have something to do with the fact that many of its hardcore members are in very high positions in the federal government? there are also a lot of fringe conspiracy theorists that assert that the world trade center collapse was actually the result of pre-planted explosives and not the impact and ensuing fires. also, some claim that the pentagon airliner 'detonated' before impact...among other things. so what? so if these blunders are the result of a conspiracy, you've got at least a few dozen military officers, intelligence agents, and secret service agents in on it, and they're all diehard devotees of the NAC project who are willing to kill thousands of american civilians to further their agenda. i'm sorry, but i don't buy that.
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Re: 9/11 Allowed to Happen? [Re: ]
#1888862 - 09/06/03 04:13 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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I agree, the likelyhood of a widespread conspiracy is very unlikely...there are far to many consciences involved.
but here's some thoughts:
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mushmaster said: every protocol governing the FAA and Norad was ignored and no planes were scrambled to so much as investigate what was going on even after one of the 'off course' planes flew into the first tower.
this is what i'm talking about... if the lack of interceptors was intentional, it would have required the conspirators to order whatever military officers are responsible for such missions to keep their planes grounded.
the bottleneck there is norad, one or two agents at the command post could have easily bottlenecked the entire flow of information from FAA control towers and NORAD radar to the military bases.
thus a stand down order would not have to be given to every CO at each relevant air force base and to a multitude of people at the FAA and Norad.
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president was not immediately secured when it was readily apparent that the united states was being attacked from the skies. quite the opposite, really, he stayed put, *unsure* if he was out of danger and continued a very trivial PR stunt.
if the secret service was briefed about the whole conspiracy, now there's a whole core of secret service agents who know an evil, evil secret as well.
not to disregard the point, it's valid, but a lot of secret service agents over the course of american history know many many evil evil secrets.
I think it's documented how many guys he had with him at the time on one of those timeline pages...
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then you have the bevy of domestic and international intelligence agents who profess that they alerted the government to the plan before it occured.
who are they, and what did they say? source?
I'm referring to the fbi and cia whistleblowers that came out in the immediate wake pounding their chests professing that they've said all along that AQ was a threat and that there was credible evidence for a planned hijacking.
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there is also the whole PNAC organization and its existing warplan from 2000 that looks a heck of a lot like the one that is currently being implemented.
might that have something to do with the fact that many of its hardcore members are in very high positions in the federal government?
you don't find it a little suspicious that in 2000 these guys from the PNAC, a collective comprised of big wigs in the pocket of defense and energy conglomerates, sat around the war room cooking up a plan for world domination involving crontrol of the middle east and its caspian sea oil reserves then, despite domestic and world opposition, drug our nation into a war looking suspiciously similar?
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there are also a lot of fringe conspiracy theorists that assert that the world trade center collapse was actually the result of pre-planted explosives and not the impact and ensuing fires. also, some claim that the pentagon airliner 'detonated' before impact...among other things.
so what?
it's interesting. the information and observations regarding it are interesting. intriguing, that's all.
will we ever find out more about these insinuations?
no, because nobody is following up any leads as there has never been any formal investigation.
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so if these blunders are the result of a conspiracy, you've got at least a few dozen military officers, intelligence agents, and secret service agents in on it, and they're all diehard devotees of the NAC project who are willing to kill thousands of american civilians to further their agenda. i'm sorry, but i don't buy that.
you make it sound like no politician or government official has ever put their agenda before the lives of american civilians.
pearl harbor and vietnam are the two most painfully obvious cases of americans being unecessarily put into harm's way in the name of political agenda.
also, speaking hypothetically, it wouldn't have had to have been that wide a net of involved parties.
a couple properly placed people and you could have done what they did.
hypothetically.
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Re: 9/11 Allowed to Happen? [Re: Learyfan]
#1889098 - 09/06/03 06:13 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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You conspiracy theorists seem to be masters of doublethink. You believe on one hand that Bush is an idiot and on the other that he orchestrated one of the biggest cover ups of all time. These two beliefs do not seem to work well together. So which is it learyfan?
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Re: 9/11 Allowed to Happen? [Re: z@z.com]
#1889169 - 09/06/03 06:41 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: 9/11 Allowed to Happen? [Re: z@z.com]
#1889248 - 09/06/03 07:03 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't see anyone actually claiming he orchestrated it, just that he knew what was going to happen.
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Re: 9/11 Allowed to Happen? [Re: Edame]
#1889343 - 09/06/03 07:48 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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You conspiracy theorists seem to be masters of doublethink. You believe on one hand that Bush is an idiot and on the other that he orchestrated one of the biggest cover ups of all time. These two beliefs do not seem to work well together. So which is it learyfan?
I've always believed that Bush is a Manchurian candidate whose actions are controlled by the monetary and political interests that put him in power.
Bush didn't have to orchestrate a damn thing, he just had to go along with what he was told.
And the people behind Bush are more than capable of pulling such an atrocity.
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Re: 9/11 Allowed to Happen? [Re: z@z.com]
#1889666 - 09/06/03 09:50 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bush is a puppet. The team that runs the White House now is called "Bush". When I say "Bush", I mean The Bush Administration.
BTW, AFOAF, you?re post was GREAT. You said it way better than I could have.
Pattern you?re post cracked me up.
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Re: 9/11 Allowed to Happen? [Re: Learyfan]
#1889945 - 09/06/03 11:45 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Check this out Learyfan......
>The invasion of Afganistan was pre-planned.<
All we needed was an excuse.................
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Re: 9/11 Allowed to Happen? [Re: Learyfan]
#1889973 - 09/06/03 11:59 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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we have a lot of plans like that laying around.
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Re: 9/11 Allowed to Happen? [Re: z@z.com]
#1890956 - 09/07/03 12:43 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've heard that even Clinton had plans to overthrow the Taliban, and it had nothing to do with terrorism. He wanted to create an oil pipeline through that country.
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Re: 9/11 Allowed to Happen? [Re: silversoul7]
#1891214 - 09/07/03 01:52 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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BC did it.
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Re: 9/11 Allowed to Happen? [Re: afoaf]
#1891719 - 09/07/03 06:48 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Omar knew.
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