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#18917045 - 10/01/13 04:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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God says: What in life is a bafflement to you now? Whatever it is, it is something within you. No matter how external it may be that is unsettling to you right now, it is you yourself that is rocking your boat. No matter what, this is the case. Everything is internal, beloveds. No matter what cause you would like to give to it, the cause is in you. Awareness of this gives you a head start. I hear you now saying, “But, God, but…” Let Us say that right now you are having a difficulty with your child. Nothing is changed. There is something within you that is crying out to be understood. Whatever it is that bothers you, it is your difficulty. You say, “My difficulty? My son is bringing home D’s and E’s, and it’s my difficulty?” Of course, I tell you that this is your difficulty. You are the one who is bothered. There is something here for you to deal with that doesn’t belong to your son. Dear One, I do not say that it is nothing at all that your son is failing at school, yet there is something in you that irritates you and you have to deal with. Your son can’t do it for you. Perhaps you feel strongly that your son has to be brilliant, and you cannot deal with the repercussions that arise in you from the fact that he is not producing brilliantly. He may indeed be brilliant. There are perhaps alternatives that don’t demand that your son put effort into what may not interest him. Perhaps your son is not brilliant in the ways you desire. Then, perhaps more clearly, you have something with yourself to deal with. Is your son less your son because the course in life you would choose for him is not his ambition? What is there in your son’s lack of performance that brings out anger or hopelessness in you? What is at stake for you? Of course, if he were kidnapped at knifepoint, this situation is seriously threatening to you. If your son were arrested and charged with a heavy crime, innocent or guilty, you have a heavy weight to deal with. The death of a child. Yes, of course, there are heavier difficulties in life than your son’s flunking school. The good thing here is that there is a solution to your difficulty, and you are the one to find it. There is more than one solution. There may well be many possibilities. Don’t make being hard on your son one of your choices. You don’t have to sweet-talk him, nor do you have to lambast him. Lambasting him might make you feel better but hardly your son. Anyway, life, as you live it, is a maze. You will find your way out. You will find a way out of your difficulty. Let Me make clear that I don’t say that your difficulty has no partners. There are a million possibilities. You are to find the golden treasure wherever it lies. I will tell you one thing, dear ones: The treasure also lies within you. I will tell you something else. Any difficulty you find yourself in, you contributed to it. Now, now, this is not affixing blame. Certainly, you didn’t desire to create this difficulty, and yet you involved yourself. Maybe your son’s difficulty is the worst situation you could ever involve yourself in. One thing for you to learn is that, by far, your difficulties are not life or death difficulties. You may have thought they were. In life you are learning how to discern. You can well discern yourself, beloved. You can discern beyond wider than you have ever discerned before.
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#18917067 - 10/01/13 04:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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God sent you that in a letter?
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#18917235 - 10/01/13 04:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah I got this from some website I had the link to it. It's a community that I did not want to get bombarded by psychonauts. My mistake.
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#18917239 - 10/01/13 04:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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God said: Never mind half the matters that you do mind! Take all of the annoyances in your stride. All of them! Another way to say this is: “Let it go!” Another way to say this is: “It doesn’t matter.” Another way to say this is: “Don’t take whatever it is as an affront.” Another way to say this is: “Don’t take it personally.” Absolve yourself from reproaching any others for their misdemeanors. Even if someone invades your privacy, let it roll off your back. What is sufficient reason for you to let an annoyance fester in you and spoil your morning or afternoon or day? Even if someone scolds you as if you were a child, what do you care? What’s done is done. Turn on another station of the radio of your mind and heart. Listen, dear Children, even if someone disrespects you, that’s their business, not yours. You are not accountable to anyone but yourself -- and Me. Everyone else is also not accountable to anyone but himself and to Me. Another person is not to try to mend your ways any more than you are to try to mend others’ ways. Yes, certainly, every other person on Earth would do well to refrain from what is really not his business, and, yet, dear one, that is true for you as well. Think twice about what is your business to take care of and what is not. Another’s lack of consideration or manners or awareness is theirs to deal with, not yours. Even when their lack has encroached on you, it is not your business to reform others. It is not your business to teach another the error of his ways. Not at all. You are not the overseer of the world any more than anyone else is. Is this new thinking for you? Perhaps you have thought that everything in the world is your business to set straight. Be glad that you are off the hook. Because another intrudes upon your peace and quiet is not cause for you to intrude upon theirs. There is no tit for tat, beloveds. You have enough to take care of with yourself. Unless you are the cook, don’t open the lid. Unless you are the cook, don’t stir the soup. Unless you are the cook, don’t add salt. You say there are exceptions? Yes, of course. When We are talking about your dependent children, they are an exception. When you are a teacher, you do have some say over another’s behavior. When you are a traffic cop, intruding is an option. At the same time, take caution that you do not go beyond what is yours to do. As much as possible, rather than impose, wait until someone asks you for your advice. No matter how much you think you know how another is supposed to be in the world, the truth is that you have enough to do to take care of yourself. No one is really an authority on someone else’s ways of living in the world. Do you want to be a free spirit? Then make sure you allow this freedom to everyone else as well. You have matters that are most important to you, and others have their own priorities. You are not going to make anyone think exactly like you anyway, and why should you? Who are you to tell others what they should do or should have done or must do from now on? They have their reasons for doing as they do, and you have yours. This may come as a shock to you, or to some of you, that you yourself, in terms of the world, are not perfect either. Yes, dear ones, to each his own.
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#18917262 - 10/01/13 04:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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God said: Accept how much I love you, love you as you are. Accept how much I love you and how much My love is dependent upon nothing but My love for you and not upon qualifying standards that you may think you have to strive for. It behooves you not to wait for My love dependent upon your earning it. My love is sacrosanct. My love is not changeable. My love for you is dependent upon My love for you which is a constant. It is not dependent upon your sense of peace or worth or anything. My love is not something that you have to qualify for. Judgment is not My way nor is judgment your way. My love is not a kind of fraternity in which you have to be selected. My love is not exclusive. My love is inclusive. I award My love to all. My love is a given. It is the one thing you can count on. My love for you is a given, and it is a given never withdrawn from you. I do not give with one hand and take back with another. My love is a sure thing. My love is given freely. And you are to do the same. You are not to assess My love as though it were a levy according to your perception of events in your life. You do not total up all the figures to make sure I did it right. No, My love is given spontaneously. I do not size you up. I do not weigh you on a scale. I do not deal in pounds and ounces or other kinds of worldly measures. I do not measure. I love. I do not look askance. How are you to go beyond worldly measurements unless I do the same? If I had a scale, which I don’t, by what right would I weigh a child of Mine with My thumb on the scale? Would I have a cut-off? Would I be so arbitrary? No. I have no elite squad. My children are not required to be what you call enlightened. Life itself is an initiation. You learn your way in life. I am not a God Who tells you to do what I say and not what I do. Not at all. My love is not hit or miss or just sometimes depending. There is a big difference between earmarking love and simply giving it. I give. I bet on everyone. I am not a dealer nor an assessor. I do not give to only those with a proven record. Your record does not proceed you. Love proceeds you, beloveds. What does My love have to do with performance? As if you first have to measure up, and then I love you. I love you first. I love you first, and I love you irrevocably. I do not tease you with love. What kind of a God do you think I am? I am a constant God. It is not hit or miss with Me. I am definitely for you, and for you regardless of the relative world. If you want to say I love you anyway, you can say that, but I do not see it as loving you regardless. I simply love you. There is nothing I have to set aside or hold in abeyance. You can say, if you like, that you have to earn My love, yet that is not how it is. Let Us say that I give you all My love before anything else, and, then, as it happens, love swirls in your heart. But nowhere do I have the idea of your meriting My love or not meriting it. I don’t think that way. I do not think in those terms. My love is well-founded. It is My love, and I give it across the board. I give love. I give it. I give it. I give it.
-------------------- Life is an expression of countless endless words that are true for you and the universe and all the time it will come to your mind life and spirit of humanity and your life you are truly grateful to be alive you are the great one of this universe you are wise and truly endless in your nature...
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#18917286 - 10/01/13 05:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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#18917302 - 10/01/13 05:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Because I feel it. And see god.
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#18917331 - 10/01/13 05:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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you see god?
answer:
yes I see god in everything.
I saved you the trouble.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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#18917442 - 10/01/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Post deleted by Connection Reason for deletion: Blah good message, deleted it. Sad me
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#18917502 - 10/01/13 05:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Goddess said: This is awesome! Aloha Broha! I enjoyed your book of love poems to me GOD!!! BELOVED!!!!
... oh yeah my deep stuff...i've done things, and yet nothing is completed i've been inactive, and yet nothing is left undone are these words true? or is it that they will become true as a wave of compassion, springing from one who has truly lived. this is the essence of faith life is fun
I'm saying LIFE IS FUN! - Goddess
*miraculously all beings are caused to randomly orgasm in appropriate non awkward or gross in a bad way, but sexually fortunate loving places*
-------------------- May we all not take the roleplay too far, for enjoyment only, not for enslaving beings , the game can be turned off at any time.
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#18917519 - 10/01/13 05:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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http://heavenletters.org/god-loves-beyond-measure.html
So God is a webmaster?
Or is he more of a blogger?
If the latter, does he use Wordpress?
And, if so, does it act up for him too? Because he just might have the leverage to get some of those bugs fixed. [I hear that St. Peter writes code (the keys to heaven have been replaced by URLs)]
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#18917535 - 10/01/13 06:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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God or as I like to call him, HaShem, is a egoless environmentally friendly computer wizard who created all and embodies kosherness
-------------------- May we all not take the roleplay too far, for enjoyment only, not for enslaving beings , the game can be turned off at any time.
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#18917582 - 10/01/13 06:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yesod said: Goddess said: This is awesome! Aloha Broha! I enjoyed your book of love poems to me GOD!!! BELOVED!!!!
... oh yeah my deep stuff...i've done things, and yet nothing is completed i've been inactive, and yet nothing is left undone are these words true? or is it that they will become true as a wave of compassion, springing from one who has truly lived. this is the essence of faith life is fun
I'm saying LIFE IS FUN! - Goddess
*miraculously all beings are caused to randomly orgasm in appropriate non awkward or gross in a bad way, but sexually fortunate loving places*
Damn, you got to channel mother god, lucky.
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#18917607 - 10/01/13 06:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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"Male and Female, S/He made them, nonconformist S/He made them." - Torah
thanks connection, don't be thinking ya can't now either! i'm digging your writing and your spirits man, you are a breath of fresh air, truly blessed.
we can always leaves the world of roles entirely... roleplay is always optional... no one really HAS to.. no one is really definitely, anything...
this place has really good feng shui, things are really umm, growing. in here.
thank you for existing. thank you for practicing chan. I am enlightened like a rainbow, with speckles and pentagrams.
*does friendship yoga with connection*
MYSTICAL LOVE!!
*Destroys all compasses*
-------------------- May we all not take the roleplay too far, for enjoyment only, not for enslaving beings , the game can be turned off at any time.
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#18917617 - 10/01/13 06:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Awhh thank you, But im not that vital,yet.
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I am enlightened like a rainbow, with speckles and pentagrams.
I know what you mean. I'm just not that enlightened, yet. But I see mother god communicating through you.
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#18917795 - 10/01/13 07:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Because I feel it. And see god.
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#18917889 - 10/01/13 07:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You're repeating yourself.
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delete: see page 2.
-------------------- Life is an expression of countless endless words that are true for you and the universe and all the time it will come to your mind life and spirit of humanity and your life you are truly grateful to be alive you are the great one of this universe you are wise and truly endless in your nature...
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new posts on page 2.
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Connection said: whoa I didnt even type that.
Wait -- is GOD typing for you?
Dammit -- I didn't even get to read what he wrote!
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new posts.
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Connection said: whoa I didnt even type that.
Yeah right, you're on a roll here. Why bother posting to anyone else when you can just post to yourself all night.
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Can It Be Right to Harden Your Heart? Heavenletter #4695 Published on: October 2, 2013 God said: Why, beloveds, do you continue to find so many ways, so many shades of hurt to distract you from joy? Have I not said that it is time for you to let go of all that prevents your heart from soaring with joy? Someone, for example, has conducted himself in a less than charitable manner. Someone, for instance, may have taken something from you that he or she had no right to. They stole that which belonged to you, which you were sure belonged to you, and their acting out has cheapened the world and the person in your eyes. Let Us say the person was definitely wrong and you are right. That may well be from the world’s point of view, and yet this one who contributed to pain for you and others saw himself or herself as denied. What are you supposed to do? Certainly, you know you are not to grind soreness into your heart. You are not to see this person as an enemy. You are not to begrudge this person. You may know very well what someone else ought to do. And, yet, for you, it is not so clear to you that you are to let your heartache go, and you are to give this person who erred in love true understanding even if from a distance, can you? You, too, sometimes, have not been your idol. You, too, sometimes have made egregious errors. You are not to punish another nor are you to punish yourself. Let go of the idea that you are to right wrongs. You are to rise above hard feelings. How can you be right to harden your heart? Let go of hardening your heart. Let go of dismissal of this person from your heart. Let go of putting assessment before love. Love first, and you will not judge. For this person who erred against all the good in your heart, your heart is not to throw its love away as though another is undeserving of love. Tell Me who cannot use more love? Tell Me who cannot benefit from more love? There are those who do seem to need more love than many others. The fact is that this person needs love. Whatever error someone has committed, whatever darkness was in his bewildered heart, whatever flag of unlove he carried, now he needs love. Where has it been written that you must give love only to the most holy and withdraw it from all those who may lack it the most? By and large, everyone can use more love, yet who needs it the most but the one who was unable to dispense with selfishness. I do not tell My children that they have to receive more love before giving. I say rather that you have all the love possible, and you receive it from Me. I do not leave anyone out of My love. If it is love that the world needs now, I ask you to give it. I do not ask you to weigh the merits of love deserved or undeserved. It is not a question of what someone has earned. It is a question of what you are not to deny another. You are to give love and not withhold it. This is firm. I do not ask you to give Me service before I give love to you. I simply give love to all. From the world point of view, it takes more effort to give love to some than to others. I never said that you are to give your love only to those who have valued your love the most and prepaid for it. I do not bill you for the love I give to you. Love does not carry a price tag. You carry love simply to give it. You are not a bill collector. You are a love-giver, so make room in your heart. When someone has been uncharitable to you, nowhere does it say it’s okay then for you be equally uncharitable. You are the decider of your own heart. Perhaps the best love you are capable of giving at this moment is the love of giving another a second chance.
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why exactly are you dumping post after post on this stuff? I think we got the idea on the first try.
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Re: Posting God Letters Here: *DELETED* [Re: Connection]
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I think they are very nice Thanks for sharing
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Re: Posting God Letters Here: *DELETED* [Re: Icelander]
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for the record
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Me_Roy said: http://heavenletters.org/god-loves-beyond-measure.html
So God is a webmaster?
Or is he more of a blogger?
If the latter, does he use Wordpress?
Brilliant. Sheer genius.
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Re: Posting God Letters Here: *DELETED* [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
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Me_Roy said: http://heavenletters.org/god-loves-beyond-measure.html
So God is a webmaster?
Or is he more of a blogger?
If the latter, does he use Wordpress?
Brilliant. Sheer genius.
He talks to a Blogger. Gods not so good with typing.
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Re: Posting God Letters Here: *DELETED* [Re: Connection]
#18932136 - 10/04/13 04:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Love first, forgiveness, acceptance :-)
acceptance means forgiveness, for it is joy, love, appreciation and no thoughts
if you feel gods love within it is your holy duty to spread the love of god to everyone around you
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Re: Posting God Letters Here: *DELETED* [Re: lessismore]
#18934623 - 10/05/13 03:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Those letters are good but I like the Bible better.
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Re: Posting God Letters Here: *DELETED* [Re: Deviate]
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Re: Posting God Letters Here: *DELETED* [Re: CosmicJoke]
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I see your god letters and I raise you these precepts : 14 precepts I also recommend you check out some of the interviews with the man on youtubes
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Re: Posting God Letters Here: *DELETED* [Re: Deckard_Cain]
#18936417 - 10/05/13 02:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Creating rules just limits yourself, if your not locked into love and compassion those rules go BOOM!
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Re: Posting God Letters Here: *DELETED* [Re: Deviate]
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Deviate said: Those letters are good but I like the Bible better.
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. Leviticus 20:27
The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' Exodus 31:12-15
^^ The bible is awesome
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Re: Posting God Letters Here: *DELETED* [Re: Yogi1]
#18936511 - 10/05/13 03:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Come from a Place of Love Heavenletter #4696 Published on: October 3, 2013 God said: Now is the time to stop being the judge of the world. Now is the time for you to embrace all, to take all into your heart and, once and for all, proclaim yourself Christ or Buddha or by the name of any deity you embrace, and to acknowledge every other seeming person as the SelfSame. No matter others’ actions, no matter what you may think of their actions and their lack of the warmth of the milk of their human kindness, you have an assignment to be true to all that I, God, hold to be true. I say again and again that all are One with Me, and that includes whoever you may hold a strike against. You are not meant to picket anyone. Not one. Not once. Not ever. You are the judge of no one. There is no human being on Earth who is to have the gall to declare another as unworthy. First of all, the person you are so justifiedly angry with right now lives and speaks against your standards of right and wrong. That someone or many hold standards different from yours does not merit their exclusion. Not on any grounds are you authorized to cast anyone out of Oneness. There is no excommunication on any level. Certainly, this is not your jurisdiction. You are given to all as a sign of My love. Certainly, you are not to be a sign of separation. I never gave you the role of separating the wheat from the chaff of human beings. What in Heaven or on Earth ever gave you the idea that you are to be the judge and the jury? By what right do you take offense? Who are you to take offense? And to claim your offense as done in My Name. This is taking My Name in vain. Now, for you, it is not that you are to feign. You do not feign love. What you have to do is to grow to the height where you can not sow less than love. You are not to be ashamed that you can truthfully sow love in soil that does not seem fertile to you. Even in barren soil, as you perceive, you can also sow love. Never were you told to sow love only in the best soil. No, you have been told to sow love everywhere. What is before you to love is what is here before you to love. Make no mistake. You are to love the perceived imperfect as well as the perceived perfect. Then, only then, are you perfect according to My Will, My Will not thine. No matter how much seeming others are guilty of having done something that was not their place to do, no matter how wrong the seeming others are or may be, if you banish them from your heart, you have done sacrilege. No longer can you shove someone aside and say you are being responsible. You are being irresponsible. Your responsibility is to love. And so you bring yourself to a place of love. This does not make you acrimonious. When you bless another, you are blessing yourself. When you curse another or snub another, you are falsifying yourself. When you wish another ill, you call illness to you. Is there anything admirable in that? When you absolve another, you absolve yourself. Abolish your hardened heart first. This is how you embrace the world. You are to be a Great Emancipator. Start now. Free yourself from self-righteousness. I never told you to be high and mighty. I have told you to be humble. When you stand at My door, what can you be but humble?
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Ever-Embracing Heavenletter #4697 Published on: October 4, 2013 God said: My heart is impeccably linked to yours. When this is the case, what can you be upset about? And yet you are. Interminably, you are upset about something. Upset is all for naught. What good is there in your being upset? Invariably, whatever it is that is upsetting you, it is here today and gone tomorrow. Regardless of all the theories, there is no percentage in your being upset. Being upset is like flapping your wings and going nowhere. The only good thing about upset that I see is that when the intense upset is over, you feel a great sense of relief. What you have been relieved of is upset. Somewhere along the line you picked up the idea that you had to be upset. Would that somewhere along the line you learned to feel relief in the first place. Who taught you that upset is natural and that you must have it? What is upset? It is tension. It is feeling tight, uptight. Upset is a burden, like a rope tightened around your neck. What is there about upset that you possibly like? Why keep upset close to you as though it were a valuable commodity? I will tell you that simple relaxation beats upset any day. Do not believe for one minute that you are meant to have a predilection for upset. Why on Earth would you believe that? Look, if you see a train coming, jump out of the way. Look both ways when you cross the street. If preparing a meal for twenty-five people makes you tense, why are you preparing a meal for twenty-five people? Who said you have to be exacting of yourself? If hurry hurry hurry is a way of life for you, change your way. Hurry takes too much out of your hide. Easy does it makes you young. Are you in a hurry to grow old? Who is it that puts pressure on you? Probably you are the culprit. Must you allow that? Is it better to be Brer Rabbit than the Tortoise? Is there something wrong in your being who you are in terms of your grasp of the world? Must you grasp the world at all? Must you whip life into obeyance? Perhaps you relax a little when you are riding in a train or an airplane. At these moments you have let go of your responsibility toward life. Your life is in the hands of the pilot or the train conductor. You are not driving the car. Can you not relax in life in the knowledge that you are riding with Me? Perhaps you can slow down a bit knowing that I am in charge. Will you relax with Me? Consider that We are dancing together, and I take the lead, and you follow. It’s pretty good to be a follower of Mine. What that really means is that, in our dancing, We are in tandem. How graceful We are as We step this way and that and as We move and as We twirl and as We look into the twin mirrors of Our hearts. We are not in any hurry to end Our dance. In any case, Our dance is unending. Close or far, We are dancing, follow My lead. Beloveds, We are dancing on the town, and We are dancing in Silence. We are ever-dancing and ever in an embrace. We do not dance a dance of tension. We dance a dance of grace. If anything, We unwind. You don’t need to do handstands for Me. It is enough for Us to look into each other’s eyes and know peace. We are at peace. What else could We possibly be as Our souls soar and We trip the light fantastic?
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Re: Posting God Letters Here: *DELETED* [Re: Yogi1]
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A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. Leviticus 20:27
The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' Exodus 31:12-15
^^ The bible is awesome 
Yes it is awesome, I don't know what point you're trying to make in posting those beautiful old testament passages. If youre trying to show that God is bad because he puts people to death, you need to understand that that was just his way of demonstrating his power to the people back then. People would not have feared a god who didn't mean business and the bible says that wisdom begins in fear of the Lord. God is good.
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Re: Posting God Letters Here: *DELETED* [Re: Deviate]
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-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Yes it is awesome, I don't know what point you're trying to make in posting those beautiful old testament passages. If youre trying to show that God is bad because he puts people to death, you need to understand that that was just his way of demonstrating his power to the people back then. People would not have feared a god who didn't mean business and the bible says that wisdom begins in fear of the Lord. God is good.
This guy sounds no different to a mob boss or any other leader that uses fear to manipulate its soldiers. The bible lacks credibility anyway it was written by Men not God which is a subjective term depending who you talk too.
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Re: Posting God Letters Here: *DELETED* [Re: Withinity]
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-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Posting God Letters Here: *DELETED* [Re: Icelander]
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spirituality is just theory unless you mix it into your materiality but the will to power is the same in both realms
fortunately for spirituality the cost of a computer is greater than that of a human, so humans will still be there for religion after the market has left humans behind for mechanicals and puters.
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Withinity said: Yes it is awesome, I don't know what point you're trying to make in posting those beautiful old testament passages. If youre trying to show that God is bad because he puts people to death, you need to understand that that was just his way of demonstrating his power to the people back then. People would not have feared a god who didn't mean business and the bible says that wisdom begins in fear of the Lord. God is good.
This guy sounds no different to a mob boss or any other leader that uses fear to manipulate its soldiers. The bible lacks credibility anyway it was written by Men not God which is a subjective term depending who you talk too.
This is a main objection to debate with christians. The double standard. Every thing god does is good no matter how bad it actually is but if man does it it's evidence of his godlessness. It's a pretty obvious case of in the name of defending your belief system at any cost.
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Re: Posting God Letters Here: *DELETED* [Re: Deviate]
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Deviate said: Those letters are good but I like the Bible better.
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. Leviticus 20:27
The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' Exodus 31:12-15
^^ The bible is awesome 
Yes it is awesome, I don't know what point you're trying to make in posting those beautiful old testament passages. If youre trying to show that God is bad because he puts people to death, you need to understand that that was just his way of demonstrating his power to the people back then. People would not have feared a god who didn't mean business and the bible says that wisdom begins in fear of the Lord. God is good.
You're either the greatest troll I've ever encountered of the singly most ignorant heartless human being I've shared thoughts with.
The bible says...
--Slavery is totally cool, and you can beat the slave so long as they dont die
--Homosexuals are evil and will go to hell (despite animals displaying naturally homosexual tendencies)
--Non fish sea food is unclean and sinful Wearing clothes made from more than one material is sinful (hope youre not eating shrimp or wearing any kind of modern clothing)
--Sitting on the same bench as a woman on her period makes you unclean until sundown
--Sinful thoughts are sins
--Masturbation is a sin
--Premarital sex is a sin
Basically human nature is a sin, I hope youre adhering to all of this as you are preaching it.
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Withinity said: Yes it is awesome, I don't know what point you're trying to make in posting those beautiful old testament passages. If youre trying to show that God is bad because he puts people to death, you need to understand that that was just his way of demonstrating his power to the people back then. People would not have feared a god who didn't mean business and the bible says that wisdom begins in fear of the Lord. God is good.
This guy sounds no different to a mob boss or any other leader that uses fear to manipulate its soldiers. The bible lacks credibility anyway it was written by Men not God which is a subjective term depending who you talk too.
lol, all the writings we human beings have were written my men. Your post lacks credibility, it was written by a mere human.
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This is a main objection to debate with christians. The double standard. Every thing god does is good no matter how bad it actually is but if man does it it's evidence of his godlessness. It's a pretty obvious case of in the name of defending your belief system at any cost.
For sure, I have seen this at play many times and its certainly not limited to Religion as you already know but they do have a history of drawing large quantities of fanatics. I once knew a guy who would literally block his ears when his Religious beliefs were in question...
lol, all the writings we human beings have were written my men. Your post lacks credibility, it was written by a mere human.
Yeah exactly, all the writings are written by men though unlike my post the bible claims to be the word of God.
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Deviate said: Those letters are good but I like the Bible better.
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. Leviticus 20:27
The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' Exodus 31:12-15
^^ The bible is awesome 
Yes it is awesome, I don't know what point you're trying to make in posting those beautiful old testament passages. If youre trying to show that God is bad because he puts people to death, you need to understand that that was just his way of demonstrating his power to the people back then. People would not have feared a god who didn't mean business and the bible says that wisdom begins in fear of the Lord. God is good.
You're either the greatest troll I've ever encountered of the singly most ignorant heartless human being I've shared thoughts with.
The bible says...
--Slavery is totally cool, and you can beat the slave so long as they dont die
--Homosexuals are evil and will go to hell (despite animals displaying naturally homosexual tendencies)
--Non fish sea food is unclean and sinful Wearing clothes made from more than one material is sinful (hope youre not eating shrimp or wearing any kind of modern clothing)
--Sitting on the same bench as a woman on her period makes you unclean until sundown
--Sinful thoughts are sins
--Masturbation is a sin
--Premarital sex is a sin
Basically human nature is a sin, I hope youre adhering to all of this as you are preaching it.
lol its always the same with your type. there are two possibilies. One possibility is that God is evil/doesn't exist because the Bible doesn't make sense to you. The other possibility is that your understanding is incorrect. Why do you automatically assume that the former is true and ignore the latter possibility? It is not logical.
To bolster the irony, your own post betrays your ignorance and actually proves that you do not understand what you are attempting to critique. For example, you hope I am adhering to the Moasic law when I am not a Jew and thus was never under the law.
Furhermore your statement "basically human nature is a sin" is exactly the point! Human beings have fallen nature.
You can agree or disagree. I dont care, but I do ask that you have at least a third grade understanding level of christianity before you begin running your mouth about it.
The entire premise of christianity is that humans fell from a state of grace into a state of corruption. orginally we existed in a state of spiritual bliss, virtue came naturally to us and earth was set to be a paradise. After the fall, we lost our spiritual joy and thus became addicted to the pleasures offered through the body, the flesh. Christianity teaches us that we can recapture the peace we were originally created for, by going against our nature (the way that seems right unto a man is the way that leads to death) and developing virtue and unselfish love to the max, while making no provision for the flesh. Obviously our nature is to seek out pleasures of the flesh.
Now I have lived both ways. I know what it is like to live according to the flesh and I know that the happiness attained in that state is never lasting. I also know what it is like to live in the spirit, giving up the search for happiness outside and relying on the Lord instead. This has brought me great joy and peace.
that is all that christianity is. my only desire is for others to discover the wellspring of unlimited joy which I have found.
i understand that many people, such as yourself most likely, are incapable of understanding spiritual truth or interpretating scripture and thus will not agree with me. I can respect that, for i myself was an atheist for 20 years. but you could at least behave in a respectful manner. calling me a troll for trying to share my joy with others, only demonstrates your immaturity. this is the spirituality and mysticism forum. you are the one who is trolling by the very definition of the word. my posts are sincere, from my heart and on topic for the forum.
if you dont believe in this stuff, why are you on this forum?
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I am the vessel of gods message, believe in me and you will be saved, because if you arent saved you will be raped by well hung african penguins with sandpaper genitals for an eternity while freezing in hades2.
Isn't that scary enough to convert?
Its totally as likely as a multi headed dragon eating someone again and again forever because they loved someone with the same gender.
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Withinity said: Yes it is awesome, I don't know what point you're trying to make in posting those beautiful old testament passages. If youre trying to show that God is bad because he puts people to death, you need to understand that that was just his way of demonstrating his power to the people back then. People would not have feared a god who didn't mean business and the bible says that wisdom begins in fear of the Lord. God is good.
This guy sounds no different to a mob boss or any other leader that uses fear to manipulate its soldiers. The bible lacks credibility anyway it was written by Men not God which is a subjective term depending who you talk too.
This is a main objection to debate with christians. The double standard. Every thing god does is good no matter how bad it actually is but if man does it it's evidence of his godlessness. It's a pretty obvious case of in the name of defending your belief system at any cost.
There is no double standard. For the Christian, good is defined in terms of God. God is good, the only source of good and the only true judge of good and evil.
What makes something good or evil? whether or not it is line with God's will or not.
You are trying to set up a standard of good and evil outside of God and then apply that to God. That doesnt make any sense.
I also have one question for you. Whats the difference between defending your belief system and defending the truth?
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Isn't that scary enough to convert?
Its totally as likely as a multi headed dragon eating someone again and again forever because they loved someone with the same gender.
Look, I understand that you have a desire to ridicule people with spiritual beliefs. That's great, I am not going to tell you no. ALl I ask is that you do it on a forum where that is allowed.
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lol its always the same with your type. there are two possibilies. One possibility is that God is evil/doesn't exist because the Bible doesn't make sense to you. The other possibility is that your understanding is incorrect. Why do you automatically assume that the former is true and ignore the latter possibility? It is not logical.
To bolster the irony, your own post betrays your ignorance and actually proves that you do not understand what you are attempting to critique. For example, you hope I am adhering to the Moasic law when I am not a Jew and thus was never under the law.
Furhermore your statement "basically human nature is a sin" is exactly the point! Human beings have fallen nature.
You can agree or disagree. I dont care, but I do ask that you have at least a third grade understanding level of christianity before you begin running your mouth about it.
The entire premise of christianity is that humans fell from a state of grace into a state of corruption. orginally we existed in a state of spiritual bliss, virtue came naturally to us and earth was set to be a paradise. After the fall, we lost our spiritual joy and thus became addicted to the pleasures offered through the body, the flesh. Christianity teaches us that we can recapture the peace we were originally created for, by going against our nature (the way that seems right unto a man is the way that leads to death) and developing virtue and unselfish love to the max, while making no provision for the flesh. Obviously our nature is to seek out pleasures of the flesh.
Now I have lived both ways. I know what it is like to live according to the flesh and I know that the happiness attained in that state is never lasting. I also know what it is like to live in the spirit, giving up the search for happiness outside and relying on the Lord instead. This has brought me great joy and peace.
that is all that christianity is. my only desire is for others to discover the wellspring of unlimited joy which I have found.
i understand that many people, such as yourself most likely, are incapable of understanding spiritual truth or interpretating scripture and thus will not agree with me. I can respect that, for i myself was an atheist for 20 years. but you could at least behave in a respectful manner. calling me a troll for trying to share my joy with others, only demonstrates your immaturity. this is the spirituality and mysticism forum. you are the one who is trolling by the very definition of the word. my posts are sincere, from my heart and on topic for the forum.
if you dont believe in this stuff, why are you on this forum?
Animals must have a fallen nature too because they occasionally fuck the same gender
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Its a spirituality forum btw, not a 2000 year old superstition forum... Spirituality is fine, I love that aspect of my life. Embracing the fallen nature of man as accounting for homosexuality while you own bible condones beating and owning slaves is as retarded as anything I've ever heard.
We're also talking about sea food and clothes made of more than one material being sinful. Sounds like the thought process of an uneducated person from a culture 2000 years old. 
Your bible is what I would expect satan himself to preach as a false prophet and the antithesis of Christ himself.
Please wake up.
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My soul is more awake than it has ever been, thanks in part to the Bible.
It's not my fault if you are too stupid to separate the spiritual truth in the Bible, from the context of the ancient Jewish culture it came from.
Don't like the Bible? Don't believe it. But why bother me? if you actually had a legit criticism of Christianity which I hadn't heard or thought of before, you might be able to peak my interest. but posting some old testament verse about homosexuality, or the moasic law as if that disproves the entire bible is insulting my intelligence. that is not how you debate with someone and certainly not how you arrive at truth.
If you "love spirituality" then why not post something about that? Tell me about your brand of spirituality, since its obviously so superior to Christian spirituality.
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You and fivepointer are certainly of the same ilk. God is right no matter what he does. And you are the interpreter.
Well carry on but I can't see anyone of any personal integrity and decency wanting any. That kind of "spirituality" would never attract me and you can bank on that.
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It's not my fault if you are too stupid to separate the spiritual truth in the Bible, from the context of the ancient Jewish culture it came from.
Don't like the Bible? Don't believe it. But why bother me? if you actually had a legit criticism of Christianity which I hadn't heard or thought of before, you might be able to peak my interest. but posting some old testament verse about homosexuality, or the moasic law as if that disproves the entire bible is insulting my intelligence. that is not how you debate with someone and certainly not how you arrive at truth.
If you "love spirituality" then why not post something about that? Tell me about your brand of spirituality, since its obviously so superior to Christian spirituality.
Anything not fundamentalist is superior to what is supposedly the word of god, but needs a modern context 
Nothing wrong with connecting to something larger through meditation, exercise, dreaming, sex, prayer, fasting etc doesnt matter.
There is some larger bliss for people to connect to psychological or otherwise. To claim that I know a wizard wrote a book but did so in an inferior context or language... thats not god. Thats men with no teeth and huge jew dicks that wrote that, and you worship it, or at least the parts that you agree with...
Pure disappointment on the part of the human mind.
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It's not my fault if you are too stupid to separate the spiritual truth in the Bible, from the context of the ancient Jewish culture it came from.
Don't like the Bible? Don't believe it. But why bother me? if you actually had a legit criticism of Christianity which I hadn't heard or thought of before, you might be able to peak my interest. but posting some old testament verse about homosexuality, or the moasic law as if that disproves the entire bible is insulting my intelligence. that is not how you debate with someone and certainly not how you arrive at truth.
If you "love spirituality" then why not post something about that? Tell me about your brand of spirituality, since its obviously so superior to Christian spirituality.
Anything not fundamentalist is superior to what is supposedly the word of god, but needs a modern context 
Nothing wrong with connecting to something larger through meditation, exercise, dreaming, sex, prayer, fasting etc doesnt matter.
There is some larger bliss for people to connect to psychological or otherwise. To claim that I know a wizard wrote a book but did so in an inferior context or language... thats not god. Thats men with no teeth and huge jew dicks that wrote that, and you worship it, or at least the parts that you agree with...
Pure disappointment on the part of the human mind.
lol so theres nothing wrong with connecting to something larger through meditation, prayer, fasting, etc and yet it is wrong to use the Bible to help you make that connection? i would act surprised but this sort of absurd hypocrisy actually seems very common among humans.
of course, your approved methods are the only way someone can be spiritual. if someone wants to study the wisdom of an ancient culture and learn about prayer and fasting that way, its wrong. wow.
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Well carry on but I can't see anyone of any personal integrity and decency wanting any. That kind of "spirituality" would never attract me and you can bank on that.
youre saying i have no personal integrity or decency? none at all?
well, i dont mean to toot my own horn but i know for a fact that i possess at least a slight amount of decency. and the reason i rbing that up is because i want you consider the fact that maybe you are the one who is wrong.
its always "i cant see this" or "i dont understand how that" as if your inability to understand something is proof it cant be true.
it would be like if i said i dont see how china can consume 50 tons of rice so quickly, therefore china must not actually be consuming all that rice.
this is basically a form of arrogance where you unconsciously believe that you are so smart and intelligent that only things you can understand are true. for example, the fact that you cannot see christians as having any personal integrity or decency means they must not have any rather than the other possibility, which is that you dont understand.
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I can use moby dick to make large spiritual connections then, so why would I give that book any of the spiritual quality that I took from it.
At best you are dodging that you are ignorant of why your supposed gospel is making claims like slavery is okay and seafood is sinful... The fact that you think homosexuality is something that with get you eternal punishment shows enough about your all around ignorance. 60 years ago you'd be pissed blacks were getting rights, mark those words.
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Well carry on but I can't see anyone of any personal integrity and decency wanting any. That kind of "spirituality" would never attract me and you can bank on that.
youre saying i have no personal integrity or decency? none at all?
well, i dont mean to toot my own horn but i know for a fact that i possess at least a slight amount of decency. and the reason i rbing that up is because i want you consider the fact that maybe you are the one who is wrong.
its always "i cant see this" or "i dont understand how that" as if your inability to understand something is proof it cant be true.
it would be like if i said i dont see how china can consume 50 tons of rice so quickly, therefore china must not actually be consuming all that rice.
this is basically a form of arrogance where you unconsciously believe that you are so smart and intelligent that only things you can understand are true. for example, the fact that you cannot see christians as having any personal integrity or decency means they must not have any rather than the other possibility, which is that you dont understand.
Not all christians believe the way you do. Let me correct myself then and say "questionable personal integrity" rather than none. You picked on a minor point btw.
Tell you what I admit (once again) there is a possibility I could be wrong. Yet I've never seen you do it.
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Icelander said: You and fivepointer are certainly of the same ilk. God is right no matter what he does. And you are the interpreter.
Well carry on but I can't see anyone of any personal integrity and decency wanting any. That kind of "spirituality" would never attract me and you can bank on that.
youre saying i have no personal integrity or decency? none at all?
well, i dont mean to toot my own horn but i know for a fact that i possess at least a slight amount of decency. and the reason i rbing that up is because i want you consider the fact that maybe you are the one who is wrong.
its always "i cant see this" or "i dont understand how that" as if your inability to understand something is proof it cant be true.
it would be like if i said i dont see how china can consume 50 tons of rice so quickly, therefore china must not actually be consuming all that rice.
this is basically a form of arrogance where you unconsciously believe that you are so smart and intelligent that only things you can understand are true. for example, the fact that you cannot see christians as having any personal integrity or decency means they must not have any rather than the other possibility, which is that you dont understand.
Not all christians believe the way you do. Let me correct myself then and say "questionable personal integrity" rather than none. You picked on a minor point btw.
Tell you what I admit (once again) there is a possibility I could be wrong. Yet I've never seen you do it. 
I have given you nothing but the truth as it appears to me. what more do you want than that? In my experience, there is no happiness to be found in the world of sense objects. the worldy life consists of constant fluctuations, pleasure and pain, happiness, sadness, etc. Do you agree or do you think true, lasting happiness can be found in the world?
If not, then you must a) agree with me that true happiness lies within or b) deny that it is possible to be truly happy.
again, i only speak from my experience and in my experience it is possible to be truly happy and that happiness comes from a place deep within, not from the world of sense objects. NOT from getting your way or having something you want to have happen, happen in the world.
Is that position so difficult to understand? as far as admitting i am wrong, i dont know what you want me to admit i could be wrong about. like i said, i only speak from my experience. i guess its possible my experience could be some kind of abberation and that happiness actually does lie in the world. only, no one seems to say that, not even die hard materialists claim to be in possession of lasting peace and joy. thus, all evidence in addition to my experience, point to me being right. in so far as you acknowledge that, i am perfectly willing to admit i could be wrong.
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What experiences have you had outside a book from 2000 years ago?
You see god or experience any miracles?
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Yogi1 said: I can use moby dick to make large spiritual connections then, so why would I give that book any of the spiritual quality that I took from it.
wow, terrible analogy.
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At best you are dodging that you are ignorant of why your supposed gospel is making claims like slavery is okay and seafood is sinful... The fact that you think homosexuality is something that with get you eternal punishment shows enough about your all around ignorance. 60 years ago you'd be pissed blacks were getting rights, mark those words.
its only bad when someone else is ignorant i take it but not yourself?
people who base their arguments on homosexuality or peculiarities of the moasic law never have a clue what they are talking about i am afraid. for starters, ive told you already 2-3 times that i am not under the moasic law. all foods were declared clean. you have to read past the first pages if you want to even begin to understandd the Bible.
the fact of the matter is that the bible portrays an accurate depiction of the human psyche as experienced from the point of view of a spiritual seeker.
the fact that it contains a few statements about homnosexuality or selfish that you dont like, does not and will not change that. homosexuality for example, is hardly talked anywhere in the Bible in fact. according to markosthegnostic (though i am not sure i agree with him on this) the parts that do mention it are actually a mistranslation. either way, anyone who focuses on homosexuality to mnake their points, clearly has not understood the Bible. focusing solely on one or two lines out of a 1400 page book while completely ignoring the major themes of the book is no way to conduct scholarship.
in other words, you are simply trying to make the Bible look bad but you are not even doing a good job at that. ironically, i could probably do a far better job at discrediting the Bible than you are doing if i so desired.
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so youre saying the bible is a special print of the word of god?
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Icelander said: You and fivepointer are certainly of the same ilk. God is right no matter what he does. And you are the interpreter.
Well carry on but I can't see anyone of any personal integrity and decency wanting any. That kind of "spirituality" would never attract me and you can bank on that.
youre saying i have no personal integrity or decency? none at all?
well, i dont mean to toot my own horn but i know for a fact that i possess at least a slight amount of decency. and the reason i rbing that up is because i want you consider the fact that maybe you are the one who is wrong.
its always "i cant see this" or "i dont understand how that" as if your inability to understand something is proof it cant be true.
it would be like if i said i dont see how china can consume 50 tons of rice so quickly, therefore china must not actually be consuming all that rice.
this is basically a form of arrogance where you unconsciously believe that you are so smart and intelligent that only things you can understand are true. for example, the fact that you cannot see christians as having any personal integrity or decency means they must not have any rather than the other possibility, which is that you dont understand.
Not all christians believe the way you do. Let me correct myself then and say "questionable personal integrity" rather than none. You picked on a minor point btw.
Tell you what I admit (once again) there is a possibility I could be wrong. Yet I've never seen you do it. 
I have given you nothing but the truth as it appears to me. what more do you want than that? In my experience, there is no happiness to be found in the world of sense objects. the worldy life consists of constant fluctuations, pleasure and pain, happiness, sadness, etc. Do you agree or do you think true, lasting happiness can be found in the world?
If not, then you must a) agree with me that true happiness lies within or b) deny that it is possible to be truly happy.
again, i only speak from my experience and in my experience it is possible to be truly happy and that happiness comes from a place deep within, not from the world of sense objects. NOT from getting your way or having something you want to have happen, happen in the world.
Is that position so difficult to understand? as far as admitting i am wrong, i dont know what you want me to admit i could be wrong about. like i said, i only speak from my experience. i guess its possible my experience could be some kind of abberation and that happiness actually does lie in the world. only, no one seems to say that, not even die hard materialists claim to be in possession of lasting peace and joy. thus, all evidence in addition to my experience, point to me being right. in so far as you acknowledge that, i am perfectly willing to admit i could be wrong.
Well I speak from experience also but you want me to concede I could be wrong so fairs fair. And you're really being sneaky here imo. I do not know if happiness can only be found from within but you rather have been pushing a specific religious belief and defending a god that seems to do some really awful things not to mention claiming that god exists and what it's like. That's really not the same thing imo as comparing happiness in the world to happiness within. But I think you know that very well.
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Well I speak from experience also but you want me to concede I could be wrong so fairs fair. And you're really being sneaky here imo. I do not know if happiness can only be found from within but you rather have been pushing a specific religious belief and defending a god that seems to do some really awful things not to mention claiming that god exists and what it's like. That's really not the same thing imo as comparing happiness in the world to happiness within. But I think you know that very well.
It's the exact same thing from my point of view. All my posts are always about the exact same thing, there is one truth but infinite ways of expressing it. Christianity happens to be one of my favorite ways but it is ridiculous to think that I am talking about something different when i talk about Christianity.
The difference between us is that I know where the source of happiness lies and thus I will always be true to that place and defend the tradional means of getting there (because they work just as well as any other means).
You must stop being distracted by the wandering mind and instead let your awareness descend into your heart. There, where time and eternity meet, you will find peace beyond all thought and mental perturbation.
That is the whole of the truth. It is all that Christianity is trying to teach you, along with other religions and all the saints and sages and wise men and mystics throughout the ages.
But you have freedom, so its entirely up to you whether to seek the heart. As long as you remain in the wandering mind, your world will consist of the wandering mind and you will never be able to understand spiritual truth, which is by definition, only understood by the heart.
That is all I have ever been saying. Don't agree or are too lazy to seek the heart? Fine. But stop imagining that I am saying different things because my message never changes and will never change.
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It is all that Christianity is trying to teach you,
In another thread you just spent time defending your god killing other humans. It's all right cause it wasn't you but I'll bet they weren't into it. Christianity is trying to teach all sorts of things. Like hey, you can't tell most christians that you found god on drugs why again? Aren't they informed by the holy spirit and they don't use their own understanding to know what god wants. They obviously don't think you are following gods teaching and they are likely the vast majority of christians and supposedly god is informing them.
Or let me put it this way. If a psychopath were to tell me he could make me like him and remove all guilt and shame from my life (boy would I like that) I wouldn't take him up on the offer because it goes against my personal ethics on how a human should behave. There is so much about christianity that is not "christian" imo that I'd be a bad person to embrace it. Laziness has nothing to do with it. It's ethics and integrity/honesty.
Considering you claim to believe there are many paths to god why would you choose one that has so many contradictions and defend acts by a god that are obviously harmful/deadly to humans he doesn't like and yet claims it's wrong for humans to act in ways he does? Something here is amazingly not right in that position.
My mind is not distracted on this issue. I'm completely aware of the choice I'm making and why I'm making it.
And I do seek the heart so quit with the your way or the highway bs. In fact I think I'm the one here seeking the heart.
Your message may never change but imo it's not a healthy one or a rational one. It encourages people to follow those with power rather than righteousness. That's why those prayers are always begging for mercy. If someone loves me I don't have to beg for mercy. I know this from experience.
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"I know most would classify me as a serial killer by definition but its okay because they were my children" -god-
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In another thread you just spent time defending your god killing other humans. It's all right cause it wasn't you but I'll bet they weren't into it. Christianity is trying to teach all sorts of things. Like hey, you can't tell most christians that you found god on drugs why again? Aren't they informed by the holy spirit and they don't use their own understanding to know what god wants. They obviously don't think you are following gods teaching and they are likely the vast majority of christians and supposedly god is informing them.
Or let me put it this way. If a psychopath were to tell me he could make me like him and remove all guilt and shame from my life (boy would I like that) I wouldn't take him up on the offer because it goes against my personal ethics on how a human should behave. There is so much about christianity that is not "christian" imo that I'd be a bad person to embrace it. Laziness has nothing to do with it. It's ethics and integrity/honesty.
Considering you claim to believe there are many paths to god why would you choose one that has so many contradictions and defend acts by a god that are obviously harmful/deadly to humans he doesn't like and yet claims it's wrong for humans to act in ways he does? Something here is amazingly not right in that position.
My mind is not distracted on this issue. I'm completely aware of the choice I'm making and why I'm making it.
And I do seek the heart so quit with the your way or the highway bs. In fact I think I'm the one here seeking the heart.
Your message may never change but imo it's not a healthy one or a rational one. It encourages people to follow those with power rather than righteousness. That's why those prayers are always begging for mercy. If someone loves me I don't have to beg for mercy. I know this from experience.
Hey if you are interested in righteousness than we are on the same page and I would like to call a truce. that is exactly the teaching of the Bible/Jesus Christ. Pursue righteousness rather than following human authority.
If you're going to let a few difficult old testament passages which reflected more mankind's understanding of God at the time, than Gods true nature, ruin Christianity for you, thats your decision. But to me, Christianity is divinely beautiful. The Bible was given to us by God, inspired by the Holy Spirit (which is the spirit of righteousness and truth) and it is divinely beautiful, to me. If you find the beauty that moves your soul somewhere else, that's perfectly ok. All I desire, is for people to recognize that Christianity actually does work for some people. Some people come to know God and themselves through the study and practice of the Christian faith. Its certainly not the only way to obtain self knowledge, but it is by far the most powerful and effective way I have found in all my searching. The practice of faith, prayer and unselfish love, transform the heart.
The things which bother you about Christianity just dont bother me. I dont see it as being full of contradictions. What seem like contradictions to the untrained eye, are actually intentional. For example, God in the old testament appears different from God in the new testament. Some people look at this as a contradiction. To me it shows the evolution of mankind's understanding of God. Pretty much all the so called contradictions in Christianity are something like that. When you have the holy spirit, it helps you to interpret scripture and you will understand these things that appear contradictory to the intellect.
You say I wouldnt like it if God called me but in reality, we are all going to die. If I am killed by say the measles rather than directly by the hand of God, what is the difference? God is still the one who is ultimately in control. He cant hind behind the measles and he pretend he didnt call me home. So everyone who dies is killed by God in a sense and there is a lesson to learn from death, which is why God allows it. He did not create death, it was brought about by the fall of man. God's desire is for us to have eternal life with Him in heaven.
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Re: Posting God Letters Here: *DELETED* [Re: Deviate]
#18942268 - 10/06/13 08:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I was never at war with you so don't need a truce. I already know what you believe so you don't have to keep repeating it. I've been hearing it since I was a tiny kid growing up in a deeply religious and fully dysfunctional Christian family. I went to church and attended a Bible College and studied there for a short time. I know that contradictions don't bother christians. You're not telling me anything I haven't heard from hundreds of other christians so please give it a rest and tell me something I don't know.
I don't accept contradictions and irrational and illogical beliefs as truth. Call me crazy. 
And anyone with a minute can google "contradictions in the bible" and find it's not just a few. There's a shitload of em.
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Re: Posting God Letters Here: *DELETED* [Re: Icelander]
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If you are talking about contradictions like Luke and John giving slightly differing accounts of the crucifixtion, I hardly think that invalidates the TEACHINGS of Jesus.
If you truly value righteousness, how can you not love the Bible? The whole book is the story of good vs evil, where the righteous are rewarded and the wicked are brought to ruin.
That's the message of the Bible. There are no contradictions in that message. You only find contradictions if you start to examine the minute details and pit them against each other, which is totally misunderstanding the point of the text.
So while you certainly find a lot of apparent contradictons on google, none of them are of any importance. Its not as though the Bible says that we should be righteous on page and then the next page tells us to be wicked. No, on the contrary through 1400 pages and many different books by different authors written at diffferent times, the overall theme and message is very consistent.
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#18942667 - 10/06/13 10:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Maybe you better look harder. And contradictions are hardly my only issue with the bible. God acts the prick too often for my liking.
As I said earlier, why base your faith in such a religion when you have so much more and imo healthier ones to choose from?
Make up your own in fact and make it perfect and non contradictory. But face it, christianity does not have a good track record as far as it's practitioners go. Especially the Catholics duh. So a lot of people have good reasons for not liking it. You'll have to deal with that if you want to keep preaching here.
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what is a healthier religion?
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I'd say Buddhism is one. Maybe the Great Spirit of the American indian for another.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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