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    #18914401 - 10/01/13 02:21 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

How useful are they really? I'm starting to have tardive dyskensia symptoms and feel like my brain is really slowing down, I'm also suspecting that they may be producing amotivation or negative symptoms of schizophrenia themselves.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antipsychotic#Adverse_effects
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2008/mar/02/mythoftheantipsychotic

Seems they cause brain damage long term.

What are your thoughts, what literature do you have? I think after reading up I'm going to halve my Abilify treatment myself then stop it. I will talk to my psychiatrist soon but I'm at least coming off this one. My brain is my greatest asset.

I think I will just rely on the body/brain to fix itself. Seems people are having more luck this way.


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Re: Antipsychotics [Re: circastes]
    #18915765 - 10/01/13 11:39 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I have copies of all of the following documents. I'll upload them later. If you google them, you should find them, but I'll upload them if you want.


Multimodal meta-analysis of structural and functional brain changes in first episode psychosis and the effects of antipsychotic medication

Why Drugging All Schizophrenics For Life Is Not the Answer

Scientific Proof: Antipsychotics Shrink Brain

Did FDA Include Evidence of Brain Damage Caused by Antipsychotics?

Evidence of Neuroleptic Drug-Induced Brain Damage in Patients

Mechanism of Action of Antipsychotics, Haloperidol and Olanzapine in vitro

Subcortical MRI Volumes in Neuroleptic-Naive and Treated Patients With Schizophrenia

Neuroleptics in progressive structural brain abnormalities in psychiatric illness


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Re: Antipsychotics [Re: s240779]
    #18916149 - 10/01/13 01:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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How useful are they really?




I've been on most of them off and on since 2006.  Haldol, zyprexa, geodon, abilify, invega, fanapt, seroquel, etc.  I firmly believe that they do not work long term and cause damage and a decreased quality of life.  I am however in the process of getting a referral from my doc for ECT.  (electroconvulsive therapy)  I know that sounds extreme but I'm sort of at a last resort.  I'm schizoaffective and I'm so fucking tired of all this.


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? [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #18916341 - 10/01/13 01:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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How useful are they really?



I'm so fucking tired of all this.




So true man, schizophrenic here. I've been on Haldol, Olanzpine and Risperidone and they failed to work. Now I'm on Clozapine which seems to be doing the trick.

:feelsbadman: to think AS's could cause brain damage. What other choice do I have!?:crankey:


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Re: ? [Re: daz01]
    #18916376 - 10/01/13 02:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Relaxation techniques, relaxing albeit addictive drugs such as opiates and benzos, alcohol (in moderation), niacin*, psychedelics**


*The top niacin dose ever was a 16-year-old schizophrenic girl who took 120 tablets (500 mg each) in one day. That is 60,000 mg of niacin. The 'voices' she had been hearing were gone immediately. She then took 3,000 mg a day to maintain wellness.

http://www.rawfoodinfo.com/articles/art_niacinforpsychosis.html (Abram Hoffer)


**Treatment of Childhood Schizophrenia Utilizing LSD and Psilocybin

http://youtu.be/J01YPfOQRv8


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Re: ? [Re: s240779]
    #18916510 - 10/01/13 02:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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What other choice do I have!?




That's why I'm looking into ECT.  Exactly.


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Re: ? [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #18916542 - 10/01/13 02:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

ECT interests me. I hear modern ECT is more refined than the old stuff. Carrie Fischer, the actress who played Princess Leia in Star Wars compared it to the after effects of LSD.


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Re: ? [Re: s240779]
    #18916610 - 10/01/13 02:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I'm a little worried about memory loss...


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Re: ? [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #18916872 - 10/01/13 03:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

if you really need antipsychotics, try that new cannabis strain which has almost no THC and is high in CBD. it's proven to be effective against schizophrenia.


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Re: ? [Re: moi]
    #18917410 - 10/01/13 05:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I just smoked an indica strain called jilly bean and its like I pissed off God's angels.  And its Lucifer.  Voices get louder.  They usually yell for Obama and claim that it is a collective awakening.  Feels like there is communication with other intelligences.  And feels like my brain is being squished/swelling.


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Re: ? [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #18917490 - 10/01/13 05:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

anyone's psychosis here related to hallucinogens?


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Re: ? [Re: moi]
    #18918123 - 10/01/13 08:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Clozapin really works? I was told it was a kind of resort for if I go really off the rails. Apparently it's very highly regarded.

These other ones though, they don't seem to stop the paranoia. And I'm not going to sit back and relax with this tardive dyskenesia starting.

Bit wary of this new MJ strain, MJ was always really, really bad for me. Never once did I get high.

My 'psychosis' was extreme paranoia, distortions in thinking, conspiracies, persecutions, but no voices or hallucinations, all brought on by MJ. Seemed mushrooms didn't make a difference really.


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Re: ? [Re: circastes]
    #18918131 - 10/01/13 08:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

But sometimes I think I just need to calm the shit down.


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Re: ? [Re: circastes]
    #18918346 - 10/01/13 09:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Clozapin really works? I was told it was a kind of resort for if I go really off the rails. Apparently it's very highly regarded.

These other ones though, they don't seem to stop the paranoia. And I'm not going to sit back and relax with this tardive dyskenesia starting.

Bit wary of this new MJ strain, MJ was always really, really bad for me. Never once did I get high.

My 'psychosis' was extreme paranoia, distortions in thinking, conspiracies, persecutions, but no voices or hallucinations, all brought on by MJ. Seemed mushrooms didn't make a difference really.



like i said in another thread... it's not MJ thats making you psychotic... it's THC. that new strain has virtually no THC, has been proven to work as an antipsychotic and the netherlands started using it officially for schizo.

the strains "we're" smoking are high THC and virtually no CBD. that new strain is exaclty the other way around :smile:

i would SO love to hear anyone's experience with it.


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Re: ? [Re: moi]
    #18918505 - 10/01/13 09:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Hmm okay, me too.


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Re: ? [Re: moi]
    #18924647 - 10/03/13 06:11 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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anyone's psychosis here related to hallucinogens?




I honestly believe that I had a dose dependent Kundalini Awakening on mushrooms...  And that I broke through into a dimension of spirit travelers.  They are like manipulation masters.  Puppet masters.  They have enough control over my body to alter my emotions and contract muscles or twitch them.  They also can produce stabbing sensations and like pin prick feelings.  They feed off of human energy and it often feels like I am stuck to a vacuum made of other people.  They talk in voices while there are regular human conversations going on and they are like overlapping the world that exists around me by using lies in place of what is actually going on besides their games.  They've called themselves Baphomets and together Baphomet many times.

Anyway, yes psilocybin opened a doorway into the paranormal and it is fucking real.  I'm hoping ECT would be like some kind of weapon.  I was tazed once when I approached a cop a little out of sorts and it ripped me right out of a sort of possession state so I have hope that electricity would do the trick.  DON'T FUCK WITH THE DEMONIC.

I'm fucking inhabited.  Yes hallucinogens brought this on.  But I don't believe in the medical model of psychosis.  Demons and angels exist.  I see them and hear them.  There is like a layer of the biosphere that they can jump up into and it flashes white when this happens.  They fly as balls of light.  Succubus exist.

They say they are from heaven.  But those that are not have made a game of being in hell.  And they rape people for energy and hold people in emotional trances.  There is a mixing of genetics taking place as these beings shuffle around real human content.

There is some selection process going on where influential and acceptable minds are placed above 'others' and allowed to passively mind control large groups of people.  These entities are like capstones for a larger group of personalities.


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Re: ? [Re: s240779]
    #18926114 - 10/03/13 02:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Da2ra said:
Relaxation techniques, relaxing albeit addictive drugs such as opiates and benzos, alcohol (in moderation), niacin*, psychedelics**


*The top niacin dose ever was a 16-year-old schizophrenic girl who took 120 tablets (500 mg each) in one day. That is 60,000 mg of niacin. The 'voices' she had been hearing were gone immediately. She then took 3,000 mg a day to maintain wellness.

http://www.rawfoodinfo.com/articles/art_niacinforpsychosis.html (Abram Hoffer)


**Treatment of Childhood Schizophrenia Utilizing LSD and Psilocybin

http://youtu.be/J01YPfOQRv8




Yeah but did it mention what it did to her liver? Seriously... BAD IDEA


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Re: ? [Re: LordSenate]
    #18926131 - 10/03/13 02:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Maybe nothing? Don't just assume that that something is going to harm the liver. You didn't evidence the fact that it's a "BAD IDEA."


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Re: ? [Re: s240779]
    #18926193 - 10/03/13 02:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

If you honestly think that the amount of niacin that was taken is safe for the liver you are absolutely crazy.

Go ahead and take it but when your liver shuts down don't blame someone else.

A two second search brought up loads of pages. Not to mention that if you have ever taken niacin even 1,000mg or so, you should be able to tell that it would not be a bright idea to take the amount you were suggesting..

I didn't "assume" anything, use a little common sense or take a few seconds to look it up yourself.


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Re: ? [Re: LordSenate]
    #18926199 - 10/03/13 02:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It may not be as damaging if it isn't a sustained dose but I highly doubt that it won't do a bit of damage.


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