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Re: R U OK with this? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18916494 - 10/01/13 02:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

rest assured, i agree it's unfair to change the rules... i recognize a broken system, but i have no suggestions as to how to fix it...


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Re: R U OK with this? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18916501 - 10/01/13 02:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The system is a reflection of the people who create it....That's primarily the workers since they vastly outnumber the employers. 

I'd guess that 90%+ of low paid employees could increase their income by 50% or more just by working harder and/or smarter.

They don't want that though.  They want someone to give them a ready path to everything they want, and they want cheap entertainment to wash over them when they get home.

Employees who take an interest in improving a business get noticed and get rewarded.  The 90% who think they're entitled to get paid despite their piss-poor attitude and work ethic are the ones most likely to piss and moan about their pay.


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Re: R U OK with this? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18916509 - 10/01/13 02:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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yes,yes, it's not fair for them to be forced to change.

the system still sucks major ass dingles.





well we cant afford to try to change it now. oh wellz


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Re: R U OK with this? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #18916520 - 10/01/13 02:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:restless: oh well


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Re: R U OK with this? [Re: Enlil]
    #18916527 - 10/01/13 02:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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The system is a reflection of the people who create it....That's primarily the workers since they vastly outnumber the employers. 





Oh? You think the system is mostly shaped by workers - not the people who can afford to lobby congress with hundreds of millions of dollars?


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Re: R U OK with this? [Re: twighead]
    #18916531 - 10/01/13 02:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

no, it's shaped by :monkeydance:


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Re: R U OK with this? [Re: twighead]
    #18916538 - 10/01/13 02:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

No, it's mostly the workers.  Congress doesn't have the power to effect any meaningful change in the marketplace.  Ultimately, the health of the economy is in the hands of the workforce.  After WWII, we were a nation of amped up worker bees producing and innovating.  Now, we're quickly turning into a nation of lazy, entitled brats who think the government owes us something.  The economy has reflected that change in attitude.


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Re: R U OK with this? [Re: Enlil]
    #18916562 - 10/01/13 02:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: R U OK with this? [Re: Enlil]
    #18916577 - 10/01/13 02:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Now, we're quickly turning into a nation of lazy, entitled brats who think the government owes us something.




they do owe us something: an opportunity to prosper... while i agree that a large portion of americans are too damn lazy to put in the work to do it, i also think that the power of the mega-corporations makes the playing field unlevel... a truly representative gov't would work towards fixing this, something our leaders don't seem to be very motivated about...


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Re: R U OK with this? [Re: leon trout]
    #18916591 - 10/01/13 02:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Any American who thinks he doesn't have an opportunity to prosper has probably never looked too closely at the rest of the world.


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Re: R U OK with this? [Re: leon trout]
    #18916598 - 10/01/13 02:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Every American has the opportunity. Few take advantage of it.

Government can not and should not try to guarantee results.


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Re: R U OK with this? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #18916645 - 10/01/13 02:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Every American has the opportunity. Few take advantage of it.

Government can not and should not try to guarantee results.




Every American has the opportunity, yes. But most can't take advantage of it due to the skill and mindset you need to make it happen.

Most millionaires are businessmen. The vaste majority of people don't have interest in business just like a vast majority don't have interest in philosophy.

The system is completely skewed towards businessmen while philosophers are garanteed not to make a penny. Too bad you can't pick your kids attribute before they are born


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Re: R U OK with this? [Re: Enlil]
    #18916650 - 10/01/13 02:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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The system is a reflection of the people who create it....That's primarily the workers since they vastly outnumber the employers. 

I'd guess that 90%+ of low paid employees could increase their income by 50% or more just by working harder and/or smarter.

They don't want that though.  They want someone to give them a ready path to everything they want, and they want cheap entertainment to wash over them when they get home.

Employees who take an interest in improving a business get noticed and get rewarded.  The 90% who think they're entitled to get paid despite their piss-poor attitude and work ethic are the ones most likely to piss and moan about their pay.




sweeping generalization that, from my experience, is largely untrue. you either work for a company where upward mobility exists or you don't. and even your statement were true, it still doesn't change the fact that not having a minimum wage that is proportionate to the economy hurts everyone who pays taxes. coincidentally, the big dogs like walmart do their best to not pay those either, to the point that they dictate the corporate tax code. but you know all of this already.


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Re: R U OK with this? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #18916659 - 10/01/13 03:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Government can not and should not try to guarantee results.




by this rationale, then, you would be okay with outright banning corporate lobbying of the gov't?.. because that is what lobbying boils down to, a non-governmental agency trying to convince the gov't to help them guarantee results...


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Re: R U OK with this? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #18916661 - 10/01/13 03:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Every American has the opportunity. Few take advantage of it.

Government can not and should not try to guarantee results.




What does this even mean?  I hear a lot of people say it, I still think its just some BS talking point though.


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Re: R U OK with this? [Re: Patlal]
    #18916663 - 10/01/13 03:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Most millionaires are businessmen. The vaste majority of people don't have interest in business just like a vast majority don't have interest in philosophy.



It's all priorities, dude.  If your priority is to be "interest[ed]", then don't expect financial success.  If your priority is financial success, then don't expect to be interested.

I don't care if you're a busboy or a CEO of Rand.  If you act like you don't give a shit, you'll fail.  If you invest yourself in the job, you've got a chance to succeed.


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Re: R U OK with this? [Re: vinsue]
    #18916668 - 10/01/13 03:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Doesn't help that herds of mindless Americans, and people worldwide flock to Walmart to buy their goods.

I find it funny that people flock to walmart, and then complain that they make too much money. They can't make money if you don't go to them to buy their goods, THINK PEOPLE!


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Re: R U OK with this? [Re: Enlil]
    #18916672 - 10/01/13 03:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You sound like if my fucking high school counselor fucked a motivational speaker and had an idea afterwards.


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Re: R U OK with this? [Re: millzy]
    #18916685 - 10/01/13 03:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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sweeping generalization that, from my experience, is largely untrue. you either work for a company where upward mobility exists or you don't.


There are other companies in the world.  The reward need not come from your current company
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and even your statement were true, it still doesn't change the fact that not having a minimum wage that is proportionate to the economy hurts everyone who pays taxes.



Not so much.  Higher minimum wages hurt the middle class more than anyone because they make everything more expensive.  The poor are slightly less poor because they got a pay raise, and the rich don't notice the difference in COL...the middle class pay for minimum wage hikes.


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Re: R U OK with this? [Re: leon trout]
    #18916695 - 10/01/13 03:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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by this rationale, then, you would be okay with outright banning corporate lobbying of the gov't?..



Banning lobbying is repugnant to a free society.


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