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Very strange reaction to shrooms
    #18916551 - 10/01/13 02:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

My girlfriend who has maybe tripped 2 times and both times were low dose maybe 2 grams tops had a very unusual trip (well from my point of view).

We ground up about 4.5 grams and mixed them in peanut butter and ate them on crackers. About 30 minutes in she was saying she wasn't feeling anything and wanted more. I also wasn't really tripping so I ground up another 8th, washed mine down with water and and put hers (1.5G) in peanut butter again. So she started to eat the crackers (I made 3 of them with the 'shroom spread' on them) and she barfs after the first one saying she psychically cant eat anymore and she even had a hard time keeping water in her mouth. She probably ingested a total of 3-4 grams.

This is where things got weird. So I laid on the bed next to her and she was like moaning and making weird sounds and then began to flail her arms around uncontrollably and popped me in the face. I got off the bed and went on the couch and just observed her getting more and more into the deep end. Soon she had no words at all and all she could do was make what I thought sounded like animals sounds. Howling, barking, chanting, groaning, etc. She would roll around back and fourth like she was possessed and kept making the sounds.

At one point she totally freaked me out he was shaking her head back and fourth like "Ahhhhhh blah blah blah" exorcist style! My trip was over at this point because I was so freaked out. I just tried to listed to music and watch TV and act "normal" so she wouldn't be sent into a bad trip. This went on for hours and I had to blast the TV so the neighbors didn't hear her crazy noises and rolling around. Finally I gave her Xanax and she calmed down and stopped making the sounds and eventually came to. But here's the kicker, she doesn't remember ANYTHING!

I've never seen anything like this, can anyone tell me what happened to her? Did she go into another dimension? Was she speaking our native human or universal language? I have so many questions to ask her but she cant answer a single one.


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Re: Very strange reaction to shrooms [Re: xavier85]
    #18916593 - 10/01/13 02:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

sounds like she left this existence for a few.


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Re: Very strange reaction to shrooms [Re: xavier85]
    #18916597 - 10/01/13 02:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

She had a trip.


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Re: Very strange reaction to shrooms [Re: dark3st]
    #18916621 - 10/01/13 02:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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dark3st said:
She had a trip.




True. But usually when I trip I bring back something with me like some sort of epiphany, knowledge, or an understanding of myself that I didn't know before.. she doesn't feel like she got anything but a headache


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Re: Very strange reaction to shrooms [Re: xavier85]
    #18916635 - 10/01/13 02:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Sounds like shes sensitive to stronger trips.. 3-4 grams for most people can be perfect or too much. Dosing shrooms after 30 mins is silly iMO because for me i just start getting slight baseline effects at 30 mins... most the time im not tripping after 30 mins.. id wait around a hour to possibly redose..

She just was tripping hard and was on a higher trip level than she was used too. Theirs different plateaus (shroomery calls it levels) and depending on the potency of shrooms dosage does vary. Keep the doses lower so she can find her happy zone.. i cant give you dosage advice though as thats against the rules. With psyches less is more IMO alot of people will disagree but in my experience psyches have their dropoff points were it spirals you out of reality and not everyone likes that part of them (for instance someone can love a level 2 trip and hate a level 3 trip).

You have to find what works best for you and keep it safe and remember shrooms are a hard drug. Theirs wig out potential for any hard drug (alcohol included). Keep it safe and good vibes your way :smile:

Oh and im sure you already knew if she has mental conditions but im sure she doesnt so good vibes to you :smile:


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Re: Very strange reaction to shrooms [Re: MescalitoMagnality]
    #18916975 - 10/01/13 04:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

This.
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MescalitoMagnality said:
Sounds like shes sensitive to stronger trips.. 3-4 grams for most people can be perfect or too much. Dosing shrooms after 30 mins is silly iMO because for me i just start getting slight baseline effects at 30 mins... most the time im not tripping after 30 mins.. id wait around a hour to possibly redose..

She just was tripping hard and was on a higher trip level than she was used too. Theirs different plateaus (shroomery calls it levels) and depending on the potency of shrooms dosage does vary. Keep the doses lower so she can find her happy zone.. i cant give you dosage advice though as thats against the rules. With psyches less is more IMO alot of people will disagree but in my experience psyches have their dropoff points were it spirals you out of reality and not everyone likes that part of them (for instance someone can love a level 2 trip and hate a level 3 trip).

You have to find what works best for you and keep it safe and remember shrooms are a hard drug. Theirs wig out potential for any hard drug (alcohol included). Keep it safe and good vibes your way :smile:

Oh and im sure you already knew if she has mental conditions but im sure she doesnt so good vibes to you :smile:




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Re: Very strange reaction to shrooms [Re: MescalitoMagnality]
    #18917227 - 10/01/13 04:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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MescalitoMagnality said:
Sounds like shes sensitive to stronger trips.. 3-4 grams for most people can be perfect or too much. Dosing shrooms after 30 mins is silly iMO because for me i just start getting slight baseline effects at 30 mins... most the time im not tripping after 30 mins.. id wait around a hour to possibly redose..

She just was tripping hard and was on a higher trip level than she was used too. Theirs different plateaus (shroomery calls it levels) and depending on the potency of shrooms dosage does vary. Keep the doses lower so she can find her happy zone.. i cant give you dosage advice though as thats against the rules. With psyches less is more IMO alot of people will disagree but in my experience psyches have their dropoff points were it spirals you out of reality and not everyone likes that part of them (for instance someone can love a level 2 trip and hate a level 3 trip).

You have to find what works best for you and keep it safe and remember shrooms are a hard drug. Theirs wig out potential for any hard drug (alcohol included). Keep it safe and good vibes your way :smile:

Oh and im sure you already knew if she has mental conditions but im sure she doesnt so good vibes to you :smile:




She takes bi-polar meds, weather she is bi-polar or not is debatable. You know how the big pharma corps create these things.

What I'd really like to know is what was with the tribal \ caveman talking and howling? I've seen a documentary where they do controlled ayahuasca trips and they acted very similar. Like calling out to the gods or some shit.


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Re: Very strange reaction to shrooms [Re: xavier85]
    #18917353 - 10/01/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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What I'd really like to know is what was with the tribal \ caveman talking and howling? I've seen a documentary where they do controlled ayahuasca trips and they acted very similar. Like calling out to the gods or some shit.




I wouldn't read too much into it personally.  She was tripping face and out of her mind, imo its no different than  a dog whimpering during a bad dream. :shrug:


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Re: Very strange reaction to shrooms [Re: Lizard Eyes]
    #18917416 - 10/01/13 05:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

If she really is bi-polar though i dont see the point in her taking mushrooms. Im no doctor but every person I've ever met whos actually very bi-polar can wig pretty hard off of drugs (emotions go crazy out of control). Im not saying your girlfriend is I'm just saying be careful because psyches can change your emotions rapidly anyways. Anyone can wig on shrooms if taken the right dose (some takes more some takes less), just because you have a amazing normal trip on 3-4 grams doesnt mean thats the case for your girlfriend, it was too much for her. Thats probably why its against the rules to give dosage advice because everyone reacts differently.

Have her take a very small dose, see if she even likes that and go from their. It sounds to me like shes just very sensitive but the bi-polar thing is a possibilty to look into. I knew 2 people who took shrooms and were very bi-polar and were high for a week straight one girl locked herself in her room and was painting all over her walls for days, she wouldnt come out for anything hahah not even her boyfriend. the other dude called his parents and confessed he was high and kept saying "what the fuck is going on, what the fuck is going on who am i?". psyches are spiritual and safe but their not for everyone and if their not for your girlfriend theirs nothing wrong with that. Just be safe..

Ive noticed anxious/bi-polar people to have bad trips more than overly depressed people... again these are biased as their based off of people i know and my experiences alone cant excert these ideas. ive known lots of bi-polar/anxious people who trip fine also.. some people literally cant trip (just not their thing not their drug) just like some people can't drink/smoke it all reacts different in different brain chemistries.


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Re: Very strange reaction to shrooms [Re: Lizard Eyes]
    #18917510 - 10/01/13 05:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I dont know how well shrooms and bipolar meds play together.. I don't think a person diagnosed with bipolar disorder should be taking psychedelic drugs. Im not a doctor though so do what you will, just be careful.


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Re: Very strange reaction to shrooms [Re: xavier85]
    #18917596 - 10/01/13 06:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Perhaps shes a banana cream pie? No disrespect just watch out.


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Re: Very strange reaction to shrooms [Re: xavier85]
    #18917651 - 10/01/13 06:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Sounds like she was trippin balls. I've seen it happen before.


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Re: Very strange reaction to shrooms [Re: nicechrisman]
    #18917691 - 10/01/13 06:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I saw a similar thing happen... except it was after my friend tried to run through a glass door several times.  We had to hold him down on the ground and he started shaking his head and making wild sounds.  Exorcist is what came to my mind too - but I'd be careful of these subversive and subconscious narratives playing too much in your mind and giving things the wrong meaning. 

I don't know what it is... I sometimes get this feeling (not on shrooms) to go nuts, flail, wail etc... It's very liberating!  It can be frightening for others though...


Oh... after that all happened with my friend, he went to have a shower... we were all scared as fuck coz he'd been going nuts a little.... and he sang in the shower.

It was the eeriest shit I've ever heard...


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Re: Very strange reaction to shrooms [Re: ZenXi6]
    #18917749 - 10/01/13 06:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You should have filmed her and then showed her it the next day.

But that's good that you didn't do anything abnormal to trip her out.


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Re: Very strange reaction to shrooms [Re: xavier85]
    #18918023 - 10/01/13 07:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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We ground up about 4.5 grams and mixed them in peanut butter and ate them on crackers. About 30 minutes in she was saying she wasn't feeling anything and wanted more. I also wasn't really tripping so I ground up another 8th, washed mine down with water and and put hers (1.5G) in peanut butter again. So she started to eat the crackers (I made 3 of them with the 'shroom spread' on them) and she barfs after the first one saying she psychically cant eat anymore and she even had a hard time keeping water in her mouth. She probably ingested a total of 3-4 grams.



:facepalm: dude 30 minutes is way too early to redose.  4.5+3.5=8g total between you two.  4g is a heavy ass dose if you aren't ready for it.  She was just  :trippnballs:  and not prepared for it.  Sometimes you memory of the trip is weird if you dose high.  Some people just aren't meant for higher doses :shrug:


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Re: Very strange reaction to shrooms [Re: DeeBee]
    #18918344 - 10/01/13 09:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'd look up her medication and see exactly how it works. I took seizure medication that had me go from a nice buzz off a couple beers to blacked out and staggering. No in between and In a matter of mInutes. Giving a psychedelic to someone who is possibly mentally unstable should be done very carefully. There is a book available In pdf on the net called "The Secrete Chef Revealed".  If she's set on tripping maybe combining that system with low doses.


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Re: Very strange reaction to shrooms [Re: Smeagol]
    #18918391 - 10/01/13 09:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Jeez, sounds like one hell of a brain fuck!


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Re: Very strange reaction to shrooms [Re: KingKnowledge]
    #18919412 - 10/02/13 01:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'm really surprised only one other person has said this... check her medications.  That's really important and often overlooked.  Do you mind saying what she is currently taking?  I'm guessing that she may take an MAOI or something that affects the body's ability to process tryptamines.

For many people here mushrooms may be a harmless, wonderful thing, but I don't think it is safe to say, "she was just trippin."  There is a chance she pharmaceutically should not be taking mushrooms or should use only tiny doses.  With the behaviour you describe - I really think you and she should definitely check into medication interactions before she taking anything other than pot.


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Re: Very strange reaction to shrooms [Re: xavier85]
    #18919618 - 10/02/13 04:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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My girlfriend who has maybe tripped 2 times and both times were low dose maybe 2 grams tops had a very unusual trip (well from my point of view).

We ground up about 4.5 grams and mixed them in peanut butter and ate them on crackers. About 30 minutes in she was saying she wasn't feeling anything and wanted more. I also wasn't really tripping so I ground up another 8th, washed mine down with water and and put hers (1.5G) in peanut butter again. So she started to eat the crackers (I made 3 of them with the 'shroom spread' on them) and she barfs after the first one saying she psychically cant eat anymore and she even had a hard time keeping water in her mouth. She probably ingested a total of 3-4 grams.

This is where things got weird. So I laid on the bed next to her and she was like moaning and making weird sounds and then began to flail her arms around uncontrollably and popped me in the face. I got off the bed and went on the couch and just observed her getting more and more into the deep end. Soon she had no words at all and all she could do was make what I thought sounded like animals sounds. Howling, barking, chanting, groaning, etc. She would roll around back and fourth like she was possessed and kept making the sounds.

At one point she totally freaked me out he was shaking her head back and fourth like "Ahhhhhh blah blah blah" exorcist style! My trip was over at this point because I was so freaked out. I just tried to listed to music and watch TV and act "normal" so she wouldn't be sent into a bad trip. This went on for hours and I had to blast the TV so the neighbors didn't hear her crazy noises and rolling around. Finally I gave her Xanax and she calmed down and stopped making the sounds and eventually came to. But here's the kicker, she doesn't remember ANYTHING!

I've never seen anything like this, can anyone tell me what happened to her? Did she go into another dimension? Was she speaking our native human or universal language? I have so many questions to ask her but she cant answer a single one.




This is the danger of recreational tripping. With respect, I don't think you have researched enough about set and setting. Your partner was going through a CRUCIALLY important experience and yet you are not there for her, and turn up the TV with the awful sounds that thing must have been emitting and then give her a psychiatric drug to suppress her experience??? ALL wrong!! PLEASSE dude do some research about how to take psychedelics in a set and setting which is for healing.


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Re: Very strange reaction to shrooms [Re: zzripz]
    #18919639 - 10/02/13 05:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It's too bad she doesn't remember it, because it would be good to ask if she enjoyed it.

It sounds similar to part of my trip on 2.5 Grams, lemon tek. I spent probably an hour laying in my bed making weird vocal sounds, writhing around and flailing my arms and grasping at the air. I did it because it felt natural, like the natural thing to do. It felt good. I also felt the need to stretch every muscle in my body, which must have looked like I was having a seizure of some sort. All was fine, I was having a blast. But it's good that I was alone because if anyone had been observing me they would have had good reason to be concerned.


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Re: Very strange reaction to shrooms [Re: Universe]
    #18919675 - 10/02/13 05:43 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Its best to wait longer than a half hour obviously.
I say its better to acclimate the body to the psilo slowly.
Ground mushrooms or even tea can overwhelm the ability to metabolize and cause really unpleasant physical effects.     
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Re: Very strange reaction to shrooms [Re: Universe]
    #18924177 - 10/03/13 01:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i've got a lot to say about this, so i'll try to make it brief.

first: i've had a friend in his 30's, very well-seasoned tripper, decide in his 30's that he can't eat mushrooms anymore because one time, as he was sitting down indian-style speaking in tongues with his eyes rolled in the back of his head, his body was uncontrollably doing backflips from a sitting position. now THAT shit is weird. there were witnesses. he didn't remember any of it either. he has no mental disorders and was on no meds.

second: my brother also had an experience very similar to what you're girlfriend had. there were differing factors like setting, however. he was at his first music festival where it was 110 degrees and there were supposedly bad/poisonous mushrooms being sold. he may or may not have gotten this batch, and he may have had a bad reaction to the intense heat, possibly some sort of heat stroke. what happened was he ended up locking himself in the trunk of his friend's SUV. his friends said the best way to describe his appearance was as if they were watching a primal monkey going wild in a cage. my brother remembers parts of it, seeing demons everywhere. i felt bad for my bro and wish i were there to manage the situation, but he has tripped a few times on mushrooms since, but just a few, and each time were on low doses and he held himself together well like a champ, but afterwards he told me it was intense. i'm talking full on trips off of just a little over a gram. 

we all have different brain chemistry, and my brother and my friend mentioned above are just examples of people who can't handle psychedelics like others can.

as far as mental illness goes, this is complex. my argument is that this factor is purely individual and cannot be applied to all people, even those who share the same illness. i, myself, was diagnosed with generalized anxiety disorder 6-7 years ago, of which i was in my prime of eating psychedelics like candy, and nobody would even know i was tripping. i could handle myself like a champ on LSD or mushrooms. i ate them 1-2 times per week for months at a time, had so many healing experiences, and never had a bad trip or anything weird like exorcist type shit. i was also diagnosed with bipolar 2 disorder over a year ago. it is a less severe form of bipolar 1.

i have had only one bad LSD trip in my life and one bad mushroom trip, both of which were before my bipolar diagnosis. i now take a mood-stabilizer along with benzos for the anxiety. since the diagnosis, i have tripped on 4-aco-dmt once (which was sold as "synthesized psilocin"...so i'm not sure what it was to be honest), LSD (best trip ever), DMT (best DMT experience ever), and psilocybin extract (which i made) about 6 times this year. NO bad experiences.

in my lifetime, i've tripped LSD too many times to count (def in the 100s), mushrooms about 50 times, and DMT about 50 times, all of which were too many times to count honestly.

that being said, i can handle my psychedelics well, BUT, only in low doses. i do NOT enjoy high dose trips at all because it's just too much for me, except DMT because it's so short. It's rare that i'll take more than two hits of acid. i don't eat raw mushrooms anymore because they make me so nauseous even just smelling them (that's why i made extract)...and i don't eat high doses of it.

sorry for the length, but i hope this helps. regarding your girlfriend, i would recommend she stick to low doses or not trip at all.

as far as interpreting her behavior and experience, she was not possessed, even though it may have looked like it. she went through some primal and spiritual experience which she was unable to integrate. she was certainly conscious but out of her body, possibly making exchanges with other beings in other dimensions, communicating in other languages that she wasn't aware that she could speak. the flailing of arms and such are probably related to her shock of being thrust into other dimensions that she didn't fathom could exist. it's like throwing an infant child who doesn't know how to swim into an ocean. not only do they not know how to swim, they don't even know what the fuck an ocean is, or that they exist. just a metaphor, but hopefully i'm getting my point across.

p.s. i agree with the others about the mistake of re-dosing at 30 min...classic mistake. wait AT LEAST an hour. i would wait 90 min personally...and not to bash on you, but i would have tried to ease her trip sooner and with more care instead of turning up the tv and trying to ignore what was happening, especially since her behavior sobered you up and made you more capable of intervening. xanax IMO should have been given to her much earlier; sometimes trips need to be aborted and a parachute is needed. people debate about benzos and tripping, but i don't trip without a benzo available personally, given my predispositions to having anxiety/panic attacks. it's as close as you can get to feeling like dying, but ego death can be a beneficial part of a trip, so that's where the debate comes in. sometimes you face fear of death, you gotta dive right in or abort. it's up to the individual.

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Re: Very strange reaction to shrooms [Re: crispy86]
    #18924227 - 10/03/13 01:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I've seen that a couple times, yeah it's pretty freaky


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Re: Very strange reaction to shrooms [Re: stonezy]
    #18924432 - 10/03/13 03:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

if she is on bipolar meds is it possible they work on the 5-ht2a and caused the chem to be force into a different serotonin 5-ht receptor?

I dont know, just a guess.


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