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BWza
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After Years of Searching
#18916417 - 10/01/13 02:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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after 3 years of searching and many failed attempts at smoking fake "dmt" i have finally gotten my hands on some official acacia confusa root from hawaii. right now i have it soaking at room temp in previously boiled water. just like making a regular tea. now im wondering do you guys think this will work for me? im not big on taking MAOI's and ive heard that this will work as is. i guess ill find out one way or the other. but i am interested to hear from anyone with similar experience im about to go thru. im really really hoping that this will be my first real DMT experience. ive been studying on this root bark for months now. just want to make sure i do it right. and also i was wondering what do you guys think about mixing the a. confusa tea with some baby hawaiian woodrose seeds? i was thinking about making it all into a tea together because i read that the LSA is water soluable meaning it would be released into the brew with the DMT. and i was also wondering what if i took 2 cebil seeds, roasted them, grinded them, then did the same with the BHWRS and mixed it with the a. confusa and got the ultimate brew. anyone with any experience in mixing the three in a drinkable concauction?
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CatchThirtythr33
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Re: After Years of Searching [Re: BWza]
#18916448 - 10/01/13 02:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you plan on taking it orally/drinking it you're gonna need an MAOI of some sort (b. caapi, syrian rue, harmala extract, etc). Otherwise your body will breakdown and metabolize the DMT before you can even feel it.
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Willy Wonka
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You will not trip from oral DMT without an MAOI.
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MitchyDee
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Re: After Years of Searching [Re: Willy Wonka]
#18917346 - 10/01/13 05:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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As has been said, an MAOI is needed!
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TheGreenArrow
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Re: After Years of Searching [Re: MitchyDee]
#18917436 - 10/01/13 05:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I remember reading a report somewhere that A. Confusia for some reason is active on its own orally when brewed into a tea. I cant vouch for it, but I'm sure I've read it somewhere.
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For your first dmt experience I would suggest extracting it and infusing it to some leaf 1:1 ratio leaf to spice, I like peppermint for my leaf. And vape it or smoke it.
But if you insist on a long oral trip I would suggest not mixing anything extra in besides the spice/maoi. If you take rue as a maoi make sure you purge after an hour or so, get the spirit of Rue out of you lol
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TheGreenArrow
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I actually love Rue and its extracts! That wobly feeling always was neat, it always made me have the neatest audio hallucinations.
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wolf8312
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Yep rue is an amazing teacher! Just a bit icky!
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rikuni

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Re: After Years of Searching [Re: wolf8312]
#18919640 - 10/02/13 05:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Edited by rikuni (03/16/14 05:09 AM)
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openmind
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Quote:
TheGreenArrow said: I remember reading a report somewhere that A. Confusia for some reason is active on its own orally when brewed into a tea. I cant vouch for it, but I'm sure I've read it somewhere.
I have as well...same goes for mimosa hostilis. If I remember correctly people seem to have more success with the acacia as far as making a tea with no maoi goes. And even then, it seems pretty variable from person to person (of course)...some people claiming they needed relatively large amounts of bark brewed in the tea, while others said they got off with not too much more than they'd use with an maoi involved .
I'm tired and don't feel like looking around & digging up where I came across those claims & stories...but, I have indeed heard this. I forget the speculation behind what's going on, and why the AC & MH bark can be active when brewed in a tea and taken orally with no maoi involved.
I could be way off & wrong on this, but I think I recall that there could possibly be another alkaloid in the bark that's causing some inhibition of mao. Or a tryptamine alkaloid that's in the bark that only becomes active after being passed through the bodies metabolism, like a "prodrug" of sorts....Again, I'm could be very wrong on that, just a speculation anyways.
If there was some "mysterious" alkaloid in there that's causing inhibition of mao or acting like a prodrug, I'm assuming we'd know about it....yea? These days, don't we know about the entire spectrum of alkaloids in these plants? ?
Anyway...my 2 cents in regards. I say leave the HBWR seeds out of it, at least this time, throw them into the mix once you have the feel of the plant/dmt by itself. And I also concur with MystiqueMushroom...I think, I mean this is just what I'd suggest to people, it's best to dabble with vaped dmt a bit before leaping into the relatively long experience of the tea. Sure everyone has their own ways of going about their way , and I have no idea what sort of experience/history you have with psychedelics. But DMT really is quite something that stands out considerably from all the classic psychelics in my experience.
I think going into the long experience of the tea would be hard to process and take in with no previous dabbles or tastes of the shift that dmt catalyzes (as if it's not hard to process or take in as it is )...again, I have no idea how much experience you have with psychedelics, this is just general advice I give to folks on this topic.
Once last thing....combining a maoi with dmt (vaped, or oral), as well as mushrooms & tryptamines in general, is the way to go. I can't find the words to convey, but the maoi reeeeally brings the experience to an entirely different level of being immersed! The maoi brings about an interesting aspect/layer to the trip that is not there otherwise. Obviously it is there when taking DMT orally (pharmauasca) or traditional aya because as we know a maoi is required (besides the intriguing reports of success with AC & MH with no maoi involved, which this thread about) .
Something I highly suggest!....and this "something" is the way I realized how drastically an maoi influences dmt. So, this something is taking a maoi before vaped DMT. I experimented a little in recent times with these two together in this fashion. I make 2g to 4g of syrian rue in a tea, and drink the tea 40 to 60 minutes before smoking/"vaping" the dmt. I've even smoked rue seeds straight (0.5g to a bit over 1g of rue) 10 to 20 minutes before the deem. There was pronounced classic effects of the rue and potentiation of the dmt...making a tea with the rue and drinking that was noticeably more effective than smoking the seeds though, just wanted to note that smoking the seeds does indeed do something.
If interested....I have a thread about my dabblings with maoi + vaped dmt, has a little more information of how I went about it, my results, and I go into some of differences I noticed between vaped dmt & vaped dmt with an maoi involved.....here>>>
Syrian Rue tea + Smoked DMT

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Edited by openmind (10/02/13 06:29 AM)
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