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TheFourthEyE
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what is up with my peyote seedling??
#18915696 - 10/01/13 11:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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i came home today from a week long vacation to see this peyote seedling looking like this.

any idees?
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Re: what is up with my peyote seedling?? [Re: TheFourthEyE]
#18915707 - 10/01/13 11:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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its not a peyote hahah im not knowegable enough but i recon thats a trich mate
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Re: what is up with my peyote seedling?? [Re: TheFourthEyE] 1
#18915727 - 10/01/13 11:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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It is etiolating, it needs to be introduced to more light.
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Re: what is up with my peyote seedling?? [Re: Mrdbrewer]
#18915756 - 10/01/13 11:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mrdbrewer said: its not a peyote hahah im not knowegable enough but i recon thats a trich mate
ignore this guy 
where'd you get it? or the seed.
what do you mean? looks healthy
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TheFourthEyE
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Quote:
rbalzer said:
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Mrdbrewer said: its not a peyote hahah im not knowegable enough but i recon thats a trich mate
ignore this guy 
where'd you get it? or the seed.
what do you mean? looks healthy
it grew so tall and has this weird mutant growth.Quote:
Mostly_Harmless said: It is etiolating, it needs to be introduced to more light.
i thought this might be the case. do you think it will be OK? is that weird growth permanent?
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Re: what is up with my peyote seedling?? [Re: TheFourthEyE]
#18915863 - 10/01/13 12:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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They are more flexible at such a young age, it will be fine eventually.
Slowly increase the amount of light, so as not to stress and burn the tip, which is more susceptible to damage after the stretching.
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TheFourthEyE
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Mostly_Harmless said: They are more flexible at such a young age, it will be fine eventually.
Slowly increase the amount of light, so as not to stress and burn the tip, which is more susceptible to damage after the stretching.
thanks alot for the info, just another question
i don't have grow lights, but i have an 10 watt CFL cool white. can i use this to get it used to more light, or is it too weak?
i'm having a hard time, giving them optimal light because my house is quite dark and cool, and the windowsil is too hot and bright.
will the CFL work?
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Re: what is up with my peyote seedling?? [Re: TheFourthEyE]
#18915931 - 10/01/13 12:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah, don't wanna burn your tip
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My lophs grows like that, possible lack of light but when I sow seeds between the rocks, the slim part stays hide..
Now I have written topic where is photos from first sprouts till today, I have add new layer of sand and fertile cactus soil to top of the soil where they has germinted to now they top what goes swollen, the skinny neck is hidden now under new 1-2mm sand and soil.
For example 30rd of July tray were like this:

And 27th of September after I have add new sand and soil layer to bury slim neck of plants, they are like this:

Some seedlings has come as cobular every day from beginning, and seedling next to another is slim and seems columnar.
This is maybe cause in nature these can germinate in very deep cracks of earth or when peyote shrink at dry time they will like "drill" themselves in the soil where they grow so that kind of seedlings can benefit when seedling are growing in the wild.. I have also sow seeds to soil what have pumicide at surface about 3-4mm size, drop the seeds between the rocks, lophs has come very nice to surface and starts to make cobular head above the rock level.
If you have more seedlings to come, wait 2months, then add layer what bury seedlings more deeper like I have done, so new soil layer also support the soil and in my case fertile soil add to surface and watering from surface causes later the seedling soil become fertile and plants grow good.
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intelligentlife said: My lophs grows like that, possible lack of light but when I sow seeds between the rocks, the slim part stays hide..
Now I have written topic where is photos from first sprouts till today, I have add new layer of sand and fertile cactus soil to top of the soil where they has germinted to now they top what goes swollen, the skinny neck is hidden now under new 1-2mm sand and soil.
For example 30rd of July tray were like this:

And 27th of September after I have add new sand and soil layer to bury slim neck of plants, they are like this:

Some seedlings has come as cobular every day from beginning, and seedling next to another is slim and seems columnar.
This is maybe cause in nature these can germinate in very deep cracks of earth or when peyote shrink at dry time they will like "drill" themselves in the soil where they grow so that kind of seedlings can benefit when seedling are growing in the wild.. I have also sow seeds to soil what have pumicide at surface about 3-4mm size, drop the seeds between the rocks, lophs has come very nice to surface and starts to make cobular head above the rock level.
If you have more seedlings to come, wait 2months, then add layer what bury seedlings more deeper like I have done, so new soil layer also support the soil and in my case fertile soil add to surface and watering from surface causes later the seedling soil become fertile and plants grow good.
I had a feeling that something like this was the case. thank ye
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Re: what is up with my peyote seedling?? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#18915970 - 10/01/13 12:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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There is nothing wrong with that kind of seedlings, even in picture above are only one.
I have seen in my trays sprouting cobular and seedlings around it are columnar but I have "eliminate" the problem my adding new fertile soil with sand to bury the seelings.. Some seedlings on my picture actually one is visible, there is the top of seedlings at same level where the new soil surface is, however, another seedligs what has grown skinny neck are more higher than few seedlings there seems they gone hide when I don't water them for long time but goes visible when they got water again. Same level sow and aprox same amount of new soil added but these what has come as cobular from their first day, they are almost buried under the new soil but they will grow there and stay very firm and nice.
Actually best case is to sow seeds to very rocky surface and seeds near drop between rocks so when they germinate they get support and good place to grow.
Or use same tek like I use and add later new layer of big grain sand some soil or rocks to give support these skinny neck seedlings.
And to the second pots: If the seedling is trichocereus, there would be different tip of the seedling.
Edited by intelligentlife (10/01/13 12:42 PM)
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TheFourthEyE
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oh great, that makes me feel better thanks.
about the question i asked about the CFL. will the 8 watt be enough to get them used to light again, when i was on holiday the seedlings were in my room which was darkish, so they most probably will get shocked if exposed to sunlight again.
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Re: what is up with my peyote seedling?? [Re: TheFourthEyE]
#18916325 - 10/01/13 01:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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8Watt bulb ain't damage the seedling(s) even it's very close to them.
I use 125Watt bulb now for seedling tray in my pics. Light are 30cm away from the tray..
I have used very strong lights so 8W bulb are weak, it doesn't burn seedling but keep it somewhere 5-10cm away from the seedling. They doesn't require much of a light anyway until it starts to develop nice bluish-gray epidermis and size of +5-10mm with big tap root.
You can keep it under 8Watt bulb first year easily.. I have given my seedlings when they was near windowsill some direct sun but only very narrow area it was where the sun shines. About 30-50minutes at one day sun "beam" goes trough the tray so it's a matter of how long you give strong light, not a matter how much. You can use white or whitish cloth to use it as shade for seedling, for example build frame from iron wire or something, then put layers of cloth around it so it filters the sun light and seedlings doesn't die for it.
I have seen for example plastic dome covered with white cloth-like tape to filter sunlight less intensive. You can see after day or two if seedling goes red, it's too strong light but if it's not going too red or taking a darker green color, then light is strong but not too strong. Short time exposing to even full sun lights doesn't cause harm, all day exposed to filtered light are actually good for seedling, it's more better than fluoro bulb.. If not now but at 3-6months old seedling you can give it filtered sunlight.. Also sun light gives warmth instead of fluoro light doesn't give the warmth seedlings enjoy. Also growth speed increases because of strong filtered light what gives more importantly the heat what seedlings love during the day.
To increase happiness of your cactus, I suggest to try give it environment where day temps are somewhere +35-40C and night temps at +20C or something. These kinds of natural imitating conditions are good for seedlings and prevents rotting when day time temperatures are high. And as I said, growth speed increases when day times are high.
Before I used day time heating, my sudden deaths with seedlings when watering was very hard.. Also the growth speed was very slow compared to now.. I have now 3months old seedlings same size as +1year old but ofc +1year old plants have massive tap root compared to crown of peyote. Watering is hard when temperature is not high at day also. And for the last word, when I tried to grow at +20-22C temps day and night seedlings, almost 1/3 of seedlings just suddenly rots without no reason and watering had to be done with very care and kept long dry periods cause soil stays moist long time and there was not actually no space for even extra drop of water.
I suggest for sure filtered sunlight at day and windowsill so you get the heat during day what seedlings love. Use your imagination what is good to filter sunlight.. It's so strong that what ever white or pale cloth are good to keep as filter for light and seedling got heat also from sun even from filtered light.
These are grown without any extra artificial light and heaters and age are over one year, almost 1,5years. Size of grown is ~6-7mm at the moment bu tap root is 3-4cm long. These has grown with minimal amount of water and almost whole first year as dehydrated

Seedlings age of 3months I have take picture up there are same size than these two older peyotes, but they are grown inside miniature greenhouse and used extra heat during the day. Color is still very pale green even they are same size than these one year previous sown seedlings. Now I grow these two with day heat and watered every week cause heat evaporates the water but growth speed has increased but these are only survivors tolerated constant temperatures and other seedlings sown at summer of 2012 has just rotted, maybe too low temperatures cause now when I use high temperatures do seedlings during the day, sudden rotting is very minimal and actually does't occur at all when compared to seedlings grown as dehydrated their first year with low temps cause rotting happens very easily if temperatures are low and moisture stays too long in soil. For some reason without +30-40C day times, rotting is more common and watering should be avoided unless seedlings are really suffering dehydration..
Edited by intelligentlife (10/01/13 01:58 PM)
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It looks like etiolated to me.
I started 2 trays with lophophora seeds, inside my house, in a very bright spot, they all etiolated. After that i sow again some lophophora seeds, bat that time i place them outside with a shade cloth, along with the other trays because i moved them. All the seedlings from the last tray are little ''balls'', except 1 that was trapped deep in the soil mix. I found it to be tricky the ratio of shade and sun, if you dont have much they becoming red and there are in danger zone , if too much they etiolated, it is something i need to experiment more..
Good luck with your seedling mate!
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