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Re: Taiwan researchers unlock reishi mushroom's cancer-fighting secret [Re: forrest]
    #18915414 - 10/01/13 10:16 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm also very sceptical on the alternative health scene. If I would be a con man, I know where I would set up business. There where they ask less for scientific proof and are more influenced by good stories that play on someone's emotions and paranoia about regular treatment.
That said, I definitely don't take side for regular or alternative treatment.




It's not that anyone "asks less for scientific proof".  It's that we don't have the millions of dollars it cost to get it. 

It's not that anyone is "more influenced" by stories that play on emotions, it's that they're all we have, when we live in a country where nobody WITH the money is going to spend it to find an actual cure when they MAKE all that money on the treatment.

I'm sure anyone in the alternative health scene would love to have "alternative health" products like reishi extracts given the same scientific treatment and funding we give prescription drugs.  I mean, who here wouldn't want that? :shrug:

It's just not going to happen in the good ol' US of A for reasons already stated. :frown:

I apologize if I come off like a douche, I just get irritated when people portray the "alternative" health movement as gullible and easily conned, when the average "mainstream" American has been getting conned for decades with poorly researched (accidentally or intentionally), dangerous products being sold as cures and treatments.  I guess it's just me but I'm more skeptical of what my doctor prescribes me than a natural remedy I've researched myself that's been used for centuries by other cultures.


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Re: Taiwan researchers unlock reishi mushroom's cancer-fighting secret [Re: Forrester]
    #18915735 - 10/01/13 11:33 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

that's allright :smile: 

i allso rather treat myself with MAOI or whatever else i grow or extract then what i would get from the doctor.

and i think i get a bit too fanatic about the subject. i think we both push off against what we were being brought up in. i was brought up with a religion from india (with a guru and stuff) and alternative medicine styles, and to my perception a lot of behavior that wasn't right (just as not-right as the regular medicine bullshit). so sorry also if i reacted too strongly.


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Re: Taiwan researchers unlock reishi mushroom's cancer-fighting secret [Re: forrest]
    #18916378 - 10/01/13 02:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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that's allright :smile: 

... i was brought up with a religion from india (with a guru and stuff) and alternative medicine styles, and to my perception a lot of behavior that wasn't right (just as not-right as the regular medicine bullshit). so sorry also if i reacted too strongly.




Certainly some situations in life make us to believe in something that is not necessarily true. But it's about all  personalities not the same criterion. Some are less educated some more. Reasonable man with enough education is not always a requirement, but in most situations hi will selected the right track. I drink Reishi tea and I'm not a fool to lie myself that I feel better.


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Re: Taiwan researchers unlock reishi mushroom's cancer-fighting secret [Re: forrest]
    #18916627 - 10/01/13 02:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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well, actually i am a bit sceptical when this kind of scientific news comes from a country that produces the product. they have an interest in what the results will be.
so i would like to see some western country's investigate the matter.
(not stating i don't beleive the article, just saying that when people stop having doubt in science, it becomes a religion.)




Look at THIS video and tell me if anyone fool enough to invest millions for something that is not proven by Asian or Western institutions ... I think that such a modern Mushroom House have not seen anywhere in the world.
Whole industries are working on this kind of mushroom and I do not think so that Reishi mushroom is not healing.
I am not telling you that you must believe. But maybe you're not checked enough or you're not educated enough on this issue to give such hard comments.


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Re: Taiwan researchers unlock reishi mushroom's cancer-fighting secret [Re: snakebite]
    #18917711 - 10/01/13 06:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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snakebite said:
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forrest said:
well, actually i am a bit sceptical when this kind of scientific news comes from a country that produces the product. they have an interest in what the results will be.
so i would like to see some western country's investigate the matter.
(not stating i don't beleive the article, just saying that when people stop having doubt in science, it becomes a religion.)




Look at THIS video and tell me if anyone fool enough to invest millions for something that is not proven by Asian or Western institutions ... I think that such a modern Mushroom House have not seen anywhere in the world.
Whole industries are working on this kind of mushroom and I do not think so that Reishi mushroom is not healing.
I am not telling you that you must believe. But maybe you're not checked enough or you're not educated enough on this issue to give such hard comments.




That video makes me wish I was a comfortable double crane lingzhi.


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Re: Taiwan researchers unlock reishi mushroom's cancer-fighting secret [Re: forrest]
    #18918622 - 10/01/13 10:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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that's allright :smile: 

i allso rather treat myself with MAOI or whatever else i grow or extract then what i would get from the doctor.

and i think i get a bit too fanatic about the subject. i think we both push off against what we were being brought up in. i was brought up with a religion from india (with a guru and stuff) and alternative medicine styles, and to my perception a lot of behavior that wasn't right (just as not-right as the regular medicine bullshit). so sorry also if i reacted too strongly.




Oh you didn't at all, if anything I did :lol:  I'm always open to hear the other side of the issue, though.  It certainly goes both ways, there are plenty of quacks and frauds in alternative medicine to match the evils of big pharma, and certainly enough good still in conventional medicine that most of us wouldn't be alive without it.  I just wish our medical system was focused on health instead of profits, then we could give all these alternative/natural remedies scientific testing instead of relying on old folklore for information about them.

When I started trying to study medicinal mushrooms in depth, I was just amazed at how few RECENT studies there were on them, and the fact that few/none of them were done in this country.


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