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Re: R U OK with this? [Re: qman]
    #18922542 - 10/02/13 05:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Again, it's inevitable.  The U.S. can't stem the tide of outsourcing and importing without impeding exports.  We either compete in a global market, or we close off and try to function solely within our borders.  This latter choice is economic suicide.


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Re: R U OK with this? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18922547 - 10/02/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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No, it's mostly the workers.  Congress doesn't have the power to effect any meaningful change in the marketplace.  Ultimately, the health of the economy is in the hands of the workforce.  After WWII, we were a nation of amped up worker bees producing and innovating.  Now, we're quickly turning into a nation of lazy, entitled brats who think the government owes us something.  The economy has reflected that change in attitude.




"Congress doesn't have the power to effect any meaningful change in the marketplace."

Not true, the global trade agreements that started the off shoring of jobs has put us into this economic mess, do you ever wonder why there is no economic recovery?




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Why have all developed nations (Euro zone, US, UK, and Japan) been in a economic recession for the most part of a decade?  Are all of these citizens lazy, or did a large percentage of the good paying jobs get exported.




We don't export good paying jobs.  We export shit paying jobs




Decent paying low to medium skilled jobs, they were better paying than what is now left for employment opportunities.

I am sure many good paying jobs are now being exported if possible, computer work can be be done anywhere on the globe.


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Re: R U OK with this? [Re: Enlil]
    #18922582 - 10/02/13 05:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Again, it's inevitable.  The U.S. can't stem the tide of outsourcing and importing without impeding exports.  We either compete in a global market, or we close off and try to function solely within our borders.  This latter choice is economic suicide.




Bernanke was being questioned in a Congressional hearing one day, he was asked about the high unemployment in the US and what the solution was, his answer was "there is no real solution, it's structural.

He has basically saying, with the current economic policies (globalization), high unemployment is here to stay, regardless of the domestic policy.


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Re: R U OK with this? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #18922585 - 10/02/13 05:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I didn't say anything about hording money, did I?

The fact is, however, that when one runs a business, he/she needs to minimize costs in order to survive.  It is a zero sum game where every dollar paid to an employee is one less dollar in the owner's pocket.  Any owner who doesn't try to keep those dollars for himself/herself will not be in business long...and both the owner and the employee will be jobless.




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Are you fucking kidding me? So the success of a business is determined by how much money the owners willing to squeeze out of it? Thats literally retarded. As long as a business is generating enough to be profitable it'll be fine, putting money back into it, even in the form of employee wage raises is highly beneficial. Business's who dont, rarely survive.



How many businesses have you run into the ground?




3, thanks to Obama.



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Re: R U OK with this? [Re: qman]
    #18922594 - 10/02/13 05:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Again, it's inevitable.  The U.S. can't stem the tide of outsourcing and importing without impeding exports.  We either compete in a global market, or we close off and try to function solely within our borders.  This latter choice is economic suicide.




Bernanke was being questioned in a Congressional hearing one day, he was asked about the high unemployment in the US and what the solution was, his answer was "there is no real solution, it's structural.

He has basically saying, with the current economic policies (globalization), high unemployment is here to stay, regardless of the domestic policy.



No, he was saying that the current realities create the problem.  Policies didn't make the market what it is...technology did.  The global market was coming whether or not any particular nation wanted it or embraced it.  Technology has changed the way that business can be done...it's inevitable that business will seek the more efficient route.

The best Congress can do is get out of the way and try to promote policies that keep the U.S. competitive where we have a shot of being competitive:  Innovation.


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Re: R U OK with this? [Re: qman]
    #18922598 - 10/02/13 05:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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No, it's mostly the workers.  Congress doesn't have the power to effect any meaningful change in the marketplace.  Ultimately, the health of the economy is in the hands of the workforce.  After WWII, we were a nation of amped up worker bees producing and innovating.  Now, we're quickly turning into a nation of lazy, entitled brats who think the government owes us something.  The economy has reflected that change in attitude.




"Congress doesn't have the power to effect any meaningful change in the marketplace."

Not true, the global trade agreements that started the off shoring of jobs has put us into this economic mess, do you ever wonder why there is no economic recovery?




Obamacare
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Why have all developed nations (Euro zone, US, UK, and Japan) been in a economic recession for the most part of a decade?  Are all of these citizens lazy, or did a large percentage of the good paying jobs get exported.




We don't export good paying jobs.  We export shit paying jobs




Decent paying low to medium skilled jobs, they were better paying than what is now left for employment opportunities.

I am sure many good paying jobs are now being exported if possible, computer work can be be done anywhere on the globe.



What killed those jobs is called robots.  Also there are plenty of good paying construction jobs that would be available to millions of Americans if we would kick the fucking border jumping scum out.  Not that the brats are willing to sweat for a living but still, those are good paying jobs and they are being taken by illegals.  I see them everyday.  It is a rare site where I am not the only native English speaker on the job.


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