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Enlil
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Roll your eyes. Most people here would take what they needed to be comfortable, and give the rest to their employees.
LOL...sure they would...
Of course, "comfortable" is a very subjective term...
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Re: R U OK with this? [Re: fapjack]
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akira_akuma
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Re: R U OK with this? [Re: Enlil]
#18917206 - 10/01/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enlil said:
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Roll your eyes. Most people here would take what they needed to be comfortable, and give the rest to their employees.
LOL...sure they would...
Of course, "comfortable" is a very subjective term...
of course, you're an android, so the term can be very subjective to you.
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Re: R U OK with this? [Re: Enlil]
#18917209 - 10/01/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enlil said: I didn't say anything about hording money, did I?
The fact is, however, that when one runs a business, he/she needs to minimize costs in order to survive. It is a zero sum game where every dollar paid to an employee is one less dollar in the owner's pocket. Any owner who doesn't try to keep those dollars for himself/herself will not be in business long...and both the owner and the employee will be jobless.

Are you fucking kidding me? So the success of a business is determined by how much money the owners willing to squeeze out of it? Thats literally retarded. As long as a business is generating enough to be profitable it'll be fine, putting money back into it, even in the form of employee wage raises is highly beneficial. Business's who dont, rarely survive.
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Enlil
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Bodhi of Ankou said:
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Enlil said: I didn't say anything about hording money, did I?
The fact is, however, that when one runs a business, he/she needs to minimize costs in order to survive. It is a zero sum game where every dollar paid to an employee is one less dollar in the owner's pocket. Any owner who doesn't try to keep those dollars for himself/herself will not be in business long...and both the owner and the employee will be jobless.

Are you fucking kidding me? So the success of a business is determined by how much money the owners willing to squeeze out of it? Thats literally retarded. As long as its generating enough to be profitable it'll be fine, putting money back into the company, even in the form of employee wage raises is highly beneficial.
You've clearly never run a business. It not only has to make a profit. It has to make a profit high enough to pay the owner a living wage. That's not nearly as easy or common as you seem to think it is. On top of that, it has to make enough of a profit to cover rough patches wherein business is slow or accounts payable isn't able to collect as well as needed.
Lots of shit can go wrong in a business, and the owner is on the hook for all of it. Many unforeseen things can close a business quickly if an owner hasn't "horded" enough cash to weather the rough times.
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Re: R U OK with this? [Re: Enlil]
#18917237 - 10/01/13 04:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Livable wage is not squeezing every last penny out of it. Savings for lulls in sales also falls under the category of putting money back into the business.
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twighead
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akira_akuma said: ROBOTLAND!1
pump me full of oil, i'm living life, and living free!1 except for the oil, for my engine and my squeeky wheels.
Wow! That's definitely the tsarist within you speaking up. As if you could live free without dinosaur extracts.
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Enlil
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Call it what you want, but one doesn't build a business by maximizing the amount one spends on labor. To remain competitive, a business must minimize costs.
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akira_akuma
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Re: R U OK with this? [Re: twighead]
#18917273 - 10/01/13 05:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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twighead said:
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akira_akuma said: ROBOTLAND!1
pump me full of oil, i'm living life, and living free!1 except for the oil, for my engine and my squeeky wheels.
Wow! That's definitely the tsarist within you speaking up. As if you could live free without dinosaur extracts.
*sludge* i'm sorry, i was to busy producing to care about what the hell you just said... dinosaur what now?
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What, is this like the 1 note - 1 post - producing technique?
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Re: R U OK with this? [Re: twighead]
#18917321 - 10/01/13 05:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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dinosaur extracts.
It's more plant based really,
Walmart owners are not even on planet earth anymore, They live on cloud nine with permanent vision on world domination. They don't care about what happens to anyone else.
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Re: R U OK with this? [Re: Enlil]
#18917322 - 10/01/13 05:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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To a certain degree, yes, but once it get past a certain point minimization of costs becomes more harmful then it is beneficial. A 10% increase in labor costs wouldnt be detrimental to the health of the company, many others out there have no problem paying close to double what walmart pays its employees. Quiktrip being a notable example. Quiktrip also doesnt rely on government hand outs to provide enough for its employees to subsist, unsurprisingly. Minimizing labor costs is not essential to a companies survival, its a personal choice more then anything.
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Enlil
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That's where you're wrong. If a business doesn't minimize costs, they will not survive. If I pay $1 more to my employees, that means I have to sell my products and/or services at a higher price to cover that cost. Eventually, someone is going to open a competing business across the street and pay his workers slightly less than I do. He will undercut me and my customers will become his customers.
This is particularly true in common commodities such as groceries. There is, perhaps, more flexibility in unique commodities and services, but even there, customers are looking for value for their dollar.
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Re: R U OK with this? [Re: Enlil]
#18917357 - 10/01/13 05:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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No it doesnt, if your company is maintaining profitability thats one dollar less out of your pocket. This isnt a difficult concept.
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luvdemshrooms
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Roll your eyes. Most people here would take what they needed to be comfortable, and give the rest to their employees.
Had you said most I'd have not rolled my eyes. Well... maybe a little seeing as I doubt you know most people here.
Your statement of "I dont think uzziel or anyone else here is addicted to hoarding money" was just too foolish to let it slide by.
You may or may not hoard money. Uzziel may or may not hoard money. I have no doubt a great many would... and do. I have no doubt that very few would give the excess to their employees.
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Enlil
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Bodhi of Ankou said: No it doesnt, if your company is maintaining profitability thats one dollar less out of your pocket. This isnt a difficult concept.
There's only so much to come out of your own pocket. That's the point. The competition will pull out of their own pocket, too.
You seem to think that small business owners are millionaires, but that's the exception. Most barely get by....and that's with the owner(s) working 10-16 hour days to make that happen.
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No less ridiculous then claiming everyone given the position would be as greed driven as wal-marts current CEO's are.
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Enlil
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Bodhi of Ankou said: No less ridiculous then claiming everyone given the position would be as greed driven as wal-marts current CEO's are.
Of course, no one made that claim...but you've never been above using a good strawman.
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Re: R U OK with this? [Re: Enlil]
#18917392 - 10/01/13 05:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enlil said:
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Bodhi of Ankou said: No it doesnt, if your company is maintaining profitability thats one dollar less out of your pocket. This isnt a difficult concept.
There's only so much to come out of your own pocket. That's the point. The competition will pull out of their own pocket, too.
You seem to think that small business owners are millionaires, but that's the exception. Most barely get by.
When did the conversation turn to small business's?
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luvdemshrooms
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Bodhi of Ankou said: No less ridiculous then claiming everyone given the position would be as greed driven as wal-marts current CEO's are.
Then I'm glad I made no such claim.
However, based on humans and history I think it would be a claim far closer to the truth than yours was.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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