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Goodbye God
    #18913954 - 09/30/13 11:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I want to say it. Being a devoted believer felt really good for a while. its been fading and fading and today I read some story about a holocaust victim and it just doesn't make sense anymore. but I've burned this fear into myself of disappointing god and burning in hell if I don't keep the faith. letting it go would feel so good but I feel so brainwashed and trapped by this religion. People talk about god breaking chains but I feel so chained and inhibited. I'm so sick of the anxiety I feel whenever something challenges God. God wouldn't want someone to claim to believe something they didn't really believe but that's what all these people do including myself and I don't think its a way of life that would be truly pleasing to God. I want out but the fear is still there that I will pay for eternity. how do I escape this Christian guilt and take back my feedom?


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Re: Goodbye God [Re: stpedro75] * 1
    #18914010 - 10/01/13 12:12 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

by using the gift that God only gave to man- free will


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Re: Goodbye God [Re: OgreLokon]
    #18914038 - 10/01/13 12:20 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

it feels like an addiction at this point. can't go a minute without the word GOD going through my head.


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Re: Goodbye God [Re: stpedro75]
    #18914056 - 10/01/13 12:25 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I want to say it. Being a devoted believer felt really good for a while. its been fading and fading and today I read some story about a holocaust victim and it just doesn't make sense anymore. but I've burned this fear into myself of disappointing god and burning in hell if I don't keep the faith. letting it go would feel so good but I feel so brainwashed and trapped by this religion. People talk about god breaking chains but I feel so chained and inhibited. I'm so sick of the anxiety I feel whenever something challenges God. God wouldn't want someone to claim to believe something they didn't really believe but that's what all these people do including myself and I don't think its a way of life that would be truly pleasing to God. I want out but the fear is still there that I will pay for eternity. how do I escape this Christian guilt and take back my feedom?





I had to face the same issue back some 40 years ago.  I lived with a fundy family so was very programmed with a hellfire and damnation god.  I can honestly say it took me most of my life to get to a point where somewhere in my psyche I didn't still fear hell and damnation from an all loving god.  What I'm saying is that you likely have a long struggle ahead and so dig in and be ready.  I still managed to have a lot of fun so all is not lost.  Taking lots of solo psychedelic trips helped a lot over time but that's just what worked for me.


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Re: Goodbye God [Re: stpedro75]
    #18914094 - 10/01/13 12:38 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Christianity is hard. I was raised Mormon and I found a few forums that really helped me out postmormon.org in particular. Basically, mormonism is new enough that it can be proven to be false, so there is no room to question it if you are honest with yourself. As the pieces fell away, the foundation of my entire belief system disintegrated and Christianity seemed to me as big a hoax as mormonism (or bigger.)

Jesus has some good lessons to teach. I have heard several buddhist teachers say that jesus is the buddha of western people or something to that effect. So if you dont want to throw out the baby with the bathwater, consider keeping your faith in jesus (if you have it, i don't personally). The only thing he really says is love god, and love your neighbor.

realize that guilt, fear of eternal damnation etc are retarded means of motivation which an all knowing all loving god would not use, but that other humans have always used to try to control others. I finally got to the point where i thought, if this is who you are god then fuck you, if I'm wrong i'm glad i wont have to spend eternity with a two faced psychopath. Fear is fear, you can either live in fear your whole life just in case, or you can break free of your fear of god and I know it will bring you closer to understanding "god." Realize the bible was written by regular people thousands of years ago, gone over by others, edited, translated, and manipulated whether intentionally or not. It is imperfect and reading into things or taking statements literally is foolishness and should not be tolerated. If you find hate, fear, intolerance or anything like that in the bible, you are doing it wrong. The good news is that Christianity relies a lot on emotional response repetition and tradition to keep people in. The story isn't really that convincing if you read it objectively.

Everyone has a breaking point where they say "this just doesn't make sense and i cant justify it anymore" like you reading about the holocaust victim. The exit stories on postmormon were VERY inspiring to me, but utah is a weird bubble it might be insanity to an outsider.

you might also want to read about how cult mind control works. mormons/flds/jehovas witnesses take it to the extreme but the elements are there in all organized religion. The fear, the guilt, they program that shit into your mind and hold you hostage so free yourself with information and with the truth.

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Re: Goodbye God [Re: Icelander]
    #18914120 - 10/01/13 12:44 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I think your problem is you do not truly believe God and you're being held hostage by fear and your own intellect. The Bible says "God did not give a spirit of fear". I think just you need to step back and realize how much you still do not know about God and about Christianity itself and be more humble about it.

I know how it is to question God and stuff - this is not bad to do it is natural. What is wrong is when we let ourselves get caught in our minds understanding of these things. When I want to question God I just think to myself who this "God" is I am referring to, he is not a human being and he cannot possibly be understood by our minds. He is the creator of the universe, the only reason any thing exists to begin with and who nobody created. Our duty is not to question God, that is what the demons did who rebelled against him. Our duty is just to thank him, pray and believe. Of course through Christ, this is the only way we mus have God's love in our hearts. And its only through love that we can understand God truly, not with our intelligence or rational minds. The idea is going away from the intellect and entering into the heart, the heart is where everything good that can be found inside us. I speak nothing about emotions, I speak of the light of the soul and mind, it is akin to consciousness itself, it is the divine light present naturally in us and which God gave us.

Here is a passage from the Gospel which I think refers to living according to this light in our souls.

Luke 11

34 The light of the body is the eye: therefore when thine eye is single, thy whole body also is full of light; but when thine eye is evil, thy body also is full of darkness.

35 Take heed therefore that the light which is in thee be not darkness.

36 If thy whole body therefore be full of light, having no part dark, the whole shall be full of light, as when the bright shining of a candle doth give thee light.





It just all depends on what you want, do you want to remain in guilt, fear and depression? Then stop living in your head and pray more. Even saying the name "Jesus" in the mind can be an very powerful aid in this.

Heaven and Hell are not places God sends people to go, that is not what I was taught. That is completely false. Neither does God take pleasure in people's suffering (I have cought myself thinking this in dark times). The idea of Christianity is that we may escape all suffering and all hellish things, this is why Jesus had died. It was that can no longer be held by death and so that death and sin could no longer exist. And death does not exist anymore because of Jesus. It as also in order for us to have a spiritual life and attain true happiness. Christianity is not a religion that is about heaven and hell, that was a myth you were taught by some bible thumper on the street. Heaven and hell are both attainable here and in this life, it just depends on how much we let God into our hearts.


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Re: Goodbye God [Re: stpedro75]
    #18914125 - 10/01/13 12:48 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I am glad you are taking the steps to not beat yourself up over "not" meeting "god's" standards. This was easy for me but I am an indigo kid and went about it all the wrong way leaving myself blank for years.

Meditate it really helps. So does chocolate(in small bits) when coming out of a meditation. It should be some heady super dark chocolate though.

Just my experience and we all have our own separate but intertwined paths.

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Re: Goodbye God [Re: SattvaBodhi]
    #18914163 - 10/01/13 01:04 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I don't really take life that seriously though its very important we attain a state of non-judgemental dispassion. Even religion can harm us if it is taken in the wrong way, as I think the OP has shown. Life should not be the drama that we make it. We should be easy on ourselves because life is hard sometimes.


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Re: Goodbye God [Re: SpiritualWarrior]
    #18914250 - 10/01/13 01:32 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

God is the primal Reality. That alone is real.

The disgust and horrors inherent in The Holocaust and the brutality in Nature is just the hardness of this Reality's play, its mightiness if you will.

Experience the Reality, see that you are it, and see if you find these things so disturbing to Yourself.


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Re: Goodbye God [Re: stpedro75]
    #18914355 - 10/01/13 02:03 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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stpedro75 said:
it feels like an addiction at this point. can't go a minute without the word GOD going through my head.




You just have to delete it


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Re: Goodbye God [Re: SpiritualWarrior]
    #18914616 - 10/01/13 04:51 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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When I want to question God I just think to myself who this "God" is I am referring to, he is not a human being and he cannot possibly be understood by our minds.




This seems to clash with the rest of your post.  Seems like you actually believe you have a lot figured out about god.


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Re: Goodbye God [Re: stpedro75] * 1
    #18914624 - 10/01/13 04:57 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I found that a good understanding of ancient Judaism could liberate one from much of the contrivances of Christianity. Original Sin is an Augustinian interpretation of the Genesis myth. It is but one interpretation, the mainstream dogma, and it makes humans genetically sinful based on the so-called disobedience of out primal parents. Without that disobedience (according to Jungian thought) consciousness would not have Individuated from the Unconscious, the Garden of Eden. We are not supposed to remain in blissful ignorance, but through a titanic struggle, like the physical birth process itself, we are intended to emerge from imprisoning darkness from which we developed, into spacious light.

The Hebrew idea idea much healthier: we have a good and an evil inclination. Jesus would have understood this, not Original Sin which has us born depraved and in need of salvation. Sheol was not a developed idea in ancient Judaism. It was like the mythic Greek Hades, or Tartarus. Hell, qua Hell, as developed in the middle ages, really developed the volcanic, under worldly images of brimstone that the author Matthew alludes to. Imagery notwithstanding, Hell, as suggested by stories in the Bible, is theologically speaking, separation from God. This requires an essentially exoteric, worldly identity to maintain. As one comes to greater understanding that the biblical Jesus is an archetype that symbolizes every human being, that we are all conjoined temporal, worldly beings AND Eternity, the "I AM" sayings of John apply to all of us, not just a physically-spiritually unique Jesus, one is released from the prison of exoteric, mainstream, imprisoning beliefs. We consider ourselves Children of God, or we do not. If so, we live by agapé, not by the egoic mind that includes our self-limiting concepts about ourselves as depraved, inherently evil creatures. There WERE righteous men for Jesus, men without "guile" as the KJV says.

As I remember from the book Towards the One, in paraphrase: 'The worldly man is free on the earth, but nailed in the heavens; the spiritual man is nailed on the earth, but free in the heavens.' The thing is, the spiritual man isn't waiting for a mythological Heaven (or Hell) at physical death, but understands this as meaning that Eternity suffuses all of creation, is Present here and now, and is our very nature, as well as our worldly outer being. The expression 'Die before you die,' means allowing our egoic mind to take a back seat to agapé, and that means loving oneself as much as the next person. So stop condemning yourself with fears of damnation, and lighten up. Salvation is neither predestined or a crap-shoot. If you want goodness, BE good, be kind. Let go of the mythic ideas and images of a Deus who is like Zeus, hurling thunder-bolts of Hell-fire. You will remain bound by your fears like Prometheus to the rock, tortured every day by an eagle who consumes his soul (liver, actually, the live-r of the man is his soul). Of course, ALL the mythic creatures from serpent, to eagle, to dove of the Holy Spirit are symbols of our own being projected into myth. So, do yourself a favor and stop eating yourself up alive. Free yourself from the rock of Prometheus, from the cross to which you nail your egoic self, and ascend!


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Re: Goodbye God [Re: lolwut]
    #18914625 - 10/01/13 04:57 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The notions you have of your religion were taught to you by people as a subtle - maybe not so subtle mule and stick and carrot. You've been mutt and jeffed by the biggest crocks in the world - the religious. These are always and anon the same people - the ones who only know a bit and yet sell you the whole condo without really looking into the quality of the building itself.

The real sticking point for Jesus religions have been the idea of charity and taking care if the weak. Those are the practices that kept Christianity strong through the ages, not the philosophy. There was a due date on that. Though it doesn't seem too near. These religions have a way of snowballing.

Each person goes through a rebirthing from rebirthing as the useless falls away. Sometime the useless was close to us and solid and we feel bare upon letting go.  We let go anyway. It's simple ecology - we have only so much energy and not enough to remain conflicted our whole lives.

And with age and time alone our relationship to existential truths changes. 

One simply cannot go on thinking they are stuck in two camps - heaven and hell.  Many people learn to make use of the present and relax, open up, drop everything, sit straight, take a breath, let it out, relax... relax...

take a breath
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if you are not doing wrong you're doing just great... relax.


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Re: Goodbye God [Re: circastes] * 1
    #18914630 - 10/01/13 05:01 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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God is the primal Reality. That alone is real.

The disgust and horrors inherent in The Holocaust and the brutality in Nature is just the hardness of this Reality's play, its mightiness if you will.

Experience the Reality, see that you are it, and see if you find these things so disturbing to Yourself.





Yup.


On one level it is God doing it to God

On another level it is man experiencing God's wrath

On yet another level, it is man experiencing God's indestructibility: the Self is abiding even in a decaying home for the home is within the Self but the Self is not bound by the home

On the ultimate level, all sparks of The God will be judged by the Omni, and retribution shall be delivered with perfect fairness and justice.


Any feeling of God, which is a dark feeling or a despair feeling, is not God, it is a false ideal you have called God and decided to worship. The pain you are feeling now is the chastisement from THE GOD for serving that false ideal. Likewise if you grow to understand the trial, you will realise it was a nudge from the Self to show you the truest Love. If you grow towards darkness then this will remain as a chastisement rather than a helping hand.

There is a very sensible and systematic way this all works. If you are doing dark works within your Self, then you will pull yourself into punishment. Cease the dark works and it will fix up. You are being watched from every single direction, make no mistake. Everything you do that is wrong, every little gleeful smirk within at the expense of another, all of these are chastised. So why go on the internet and ask? You know your Self quite well. Above all, remember: The God is forgiving and compassionate, always. Stop resisting and all shall be fine.


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Re: Goodbye God [Re: crkhd]
    #18914645 - 10/01/13 05:17 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

OMG!!! I totally don't believe in a judging God.  I believe we all judge ourselves and we meet out our own punishment to ourselves, that's what makes the punishment so conclusive (or not).


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Re: Goodbye God [Re: eve69]
    #18914677 - 10/01/13 05:33 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Oh the judging God is not an asshole, but the judging man certainly is! Let's not confuse things. The judging God is far more loving and compassionate and FORGIVING than anything man can match or comprehend for that matter. The judging God is the God you are experiencing Now, all the same God: YOU


You would be completely correct that we determine our own punishment. Who would know us better than our Self?


Also, there was a study done that showed people who 'believed in a forgiving God' fared far better in life than those who 'believed' in a wrathful God.


Anyway there comes a time when you really have to stop believing in God and start experiencing God and Being God, which ironically every single religious text ever is trying to nudge man in the direction of. Being God means being kind, gentle, forgiving, not transgressing beyond all bounds.


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"THE Human, you, is a miniscule but essential part of that pattern. In it lies complete fulfillment. It will never become something it is not, but it will never need to be anything else." - Wiccan_Seeker

"If boring drudgery was the way of the universe, everything would have killed itself long ago." - Spacerific


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Re: Goodbye God [Re: crkhd]
    #18914820 - 10/01/13 06:50 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Very inspiring thread :heartpump:


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Re: Goodbye God [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #18914965 - 10/01/13 08:01 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

SpiritualWarrior said:
When I want to question God I just think to myself who this "God" is I am referring to, he is not a human being and he cannot possibly be understood by our minds.




This seems to clash with the rest of your post.  Seems like you actually believe you have a lot figured out about god.





Here's another great example of christian double talk imo.  They will tell you that you doubt and lack faith because you rely on your own understanding rather than gods. Then they proceed to tell you exactly what god is all about, using.... you guessed it...  their own understanding.


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