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Re: Intelligent Design and The Watchmaker Argument [Re: Icelander]
    #18930089 - 10/04/13 08:22 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Our situation is like we're both looking at one of those where's waldo books and I see waldo before you. Only you are making the mistake of assuming waldo isn't there because you couldn't find him.

Why would you assume I am not being honest with myself? if we were actually looking at a wheres waldo book and I happned to find waldo before you, would you assume I was deluding myself if I told you he was in a place where you thought you had already looked?

It's the person who has found what he was looking for who knows more, while the one who has not found does not know as much.  maybe what I am telling is the truth, maybe its a lie, the point is that you don't know. I on the other hand, know, because I can see waldo.


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Re: Intelligent Design and The Watchmaker Argument [Re: Deviate]
    #18930109 - 10/04/13 08:27 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, totally a Christian god, not one of those silly Muslim or scientologist ones, dumdumdumdumdum


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Re: Intelligent Design and The Watchmaker Argument [Re: Deviate]
    #18930260 - 10/04/13 09:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Deviate said:
Our situation is like we're both looking at one of those where's waldo books and I see waldo before you. Only you are making the mistake of assuming waldo isn't there because you couldn't find him.

Why would you assume I am not being honest with myself? if we were actually looking at a wheres waldo book and I happned to find waldo before you, would you assume I was deluding myself if I told you he was in a place where you thought you had already looked?

It's the person who has found what he was looking for who knows more, while the one who has not found does not know as much.  maybe what I am telling is the truth, maybe its a lie, the point is that you don't know. I on the other hand, know, because I can see waldo.




IMO that's just egoic nonsense.  You assume (again) I'm the one making the mistake.  And of course if I had looked and not seen and you said something was there I'd question your awareness.  Other wise I'd go off believing any bs artist that wanted to take me for a sucker.

The problem I have with your position here is that you are not willing to concede a possibility that you are mistaken where I am.  I've dealt with this religious attitude my whole life and am convinced from experience that when someone takes that stance it is ultimately out of ignorance or evil intent.

I refuse to take a final position on this issue and not only because my logic is sometimes at odds with my intuition.  The main reason is that I didn't create my brain and so don't really know what it is or is not capable of causing me to think or believe. IMO that's the only honest stance one can ultimately take.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


Edited by Icelander (10/04/13 09:27 AM)


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