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can steam be hotter then 212 degrees. the great debate.
#18914316 - 10/01/13 01:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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this seems to be a great debate. who can end this argument.
not including atmosphere. water can get hotter then 212 at higher pressure. thats not what were talking about.
can steam be hotter then boiling water at the same pressure.
i thought that the steam/boiling tek works off the principle that steam gets hotter then boiling water.
i may be wrong. whats the truth.
can steam be hotter then 212?
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Re: can steam be hotter then 212 degrees. the great debate. [Re: evileye001]
#18914322 - 10/01/13 01:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: can steam be hotter then 212 degrees. the great debate. [Re: evileye001]
#18914335 - 10/01/13 01:57 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Obamacare
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Re: can steam be hotter then 212 degrees. the great debate. [Re: Shroomopotamus]
#18914337 - 10/01/13 01:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Steam begins its life as superheated water and then finds a nucleation point, where it turns into gas, gas that is hotter than 212 f, in fact if there are no nucleation points water itself can become much hotter than 212 f its called super heating
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Re: can steam be hotter then 212 degrees. the great debate. [Re: NotTheDevil]
#18914346 - 10/01/13 02:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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So does anyone have anything bad to say about Obamacare or what?
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Re: can steam be hotter then 212 degrees. the great debate. [Re: Chowder963]
#18914350 - 10/01/13 02:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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NO THREADJACKING
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Re: can steam be hotter then 212 degrees. the great debate. [Re: Chowder963] 2
#18914352 - 10/01/13 02:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Chowder963 said: So does anyone have anything bad to say about Obamacare or what?
Obamadontcare
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Re: can steam be hotter then 212 degrees. the great debate. [Re: NotTheDevil]
#18914375 - 10/01/13 02:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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NotTheDevil said: Steam begins its life as superheated water and then finds a nucleation point, where it turns into gas, gas that is hotter than 212 f, in fact if there are no nucleation points water itself can become much hotter than 212 f its called super heating
good mythbuster vid but still dosent answers can steam get hotter then 212 at same pressure
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thank you!
different thread. not obamacare. never know where your thread will lead.
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Re: can steam be hotter then 212 degrees. the great debate. [Re: evileye001]
#18914383 - 10/01/13 02:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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notice the plateaus where phase changes of matter take place.
temperature is constant during this time, hence the boiling water and the steam are the same temperature.
Look up something called "latent heat". I believe it is the reason for your misunderstanding.
Q=mL
Q=Heat energy
m=mass
L= constant that varies for each molecule and has two values: vaporization or fusion
The title of your thread asks a totally different question than the thread itself. So in answer to the question in your title, Yes. Steam can easily be above 212 degrees no matter whether you are talking about F, C, or K
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Re: can steam be hotter then 212 degrees. the great debate. [Re: evileye001]
#18914385 - 10/01/13 02:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: can steam be hotter then 212 degrees. the great debate. [Re: nicechrisman]
#18914403 - 10/01/13 02:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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i normaly wouldent do this but since the he has pushed me so much.
this is a direct challenge for mush4brains!!!
what do you have to say? if you have any respect you will admit defeat and i will give you five shrooms for your humanity. if not. let the dabate go on! i like to debate. and you have been a very good apposition.
hell here is 4 shrooms for your persistence. im just that kind of guy.
a good debate.
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Re: can steam be hotter then 212 degrees. the great debate. [Re: Shroomopotamus]
#18914416 - 10/01/13 02:27 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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edit.
i will change my rating of 0 shrooms to 4 or five.
forgot i already gave u a 0 mush4brains. lol
but u been a good sport.
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Re: can steam be hotter then 212 degrees. the great debate. [Re: nicechrisman]
#18914438 - 10/01/13 02:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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nicechrisman said: Obamacare
Sounds about right.
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Re: can steam be hotter then 212 degrees. the great debate. [Re: Enjoywho] 1
#18914465 - 10/01/13 02:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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212 degrees whats that like 20 kilometres?
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Re: can steam be hotter then 212 degrees. the great debate. [Re: kakashi68]
#18914468 - 10/01/13 02:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Im pretty sure its a measure of volume.
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Re: can steam be hotter then 212 degrees. the great debate. [Re: Enjoywho]
#18914478 - 10/01/13 03:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Throw a cup of water on the sun that oughtta answer your question
So is the cup half full? or half empty?
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Re: can steam be hotter then 212 degrees. the great debate. [Re: Dreaming Nomad]
#18914485 - 10/01/13 03:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: can steam be hotter then 212 degrees. the great debate. [Re: Dreaming Nomad]
#18917020 - 10/01/13 04:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dreaming Nomad said: Throw a cup of water on the sun that oughtta answer your question
So is the cup half full? or half empty?
CAN! NOT IS! CAN steam be hotter then water.
i didnt ask if water can evaporate...
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Re: can steam be hotter then 212 degrees. the great debate. [Re: evileye001]
#18917133 - 10/01/13 04:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: can steam be hotter then 212 degrees. the great debate. [Re: evileye001]
#18917194 - 10/01/13 04:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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evileye001 said:
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Dreaming Nomad said: Throw a cup of water on the sun that oughtta answer your question
So is the cup half full? or half empty?
CAN! NOT IS! CAN steam be hotter then water.
i didnt ask if water can evaporate... 
I already shat science all over your thread.
why is this still a debate.
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Re: can steam be hotter then 212 degrees. the great debate. [Re: evileye001]
#18917215 - 10/01/13 04:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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evileye001 said:
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Dreaming Nomad said: Throw a cup of water on the sun that oughtta answer your question
So is the cup half full? or half empty?
CAN! NOT IS! CAN steam be hotter then water.
i didnt ask if water can evaporate... 
I think his point is that if water comes into contact with something hot enough, the steam it produces will be far hotter than 212F.
There are many environments where steam will be unable to condense into water. If it was then heated above 212F it would be hotter than that.........
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Re: can steam be hotter then 212 degrees. the great debate. [Re: Heffy]
#18917671 - 10/01/13 06:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Its not hotter, The steam is simply particles of water transforming from liquid to gas. Gas molecules and like single floating particles, while liquids are bound together but to the extent of a solid. Now the particles become so full of energy and get so "excited" that they break away from the liquid bond. So its still the same particles in the steam, there just a different form of matter.
If your talking about why steam hotter, its because wet heat burns MUCH faster than dry heat to humans.
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Re: can steam be hotter then 212 degrees. the great debate. [Re: kakashi68] 1
#18917687 - 10/01/13 06:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Whenever Im having a bad day I just open threads like this and laugh my ass off.
Thanks for keeping me happy smart ass posters
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Re: can steam be hotter then 212 degrees. the great debate. [Re: evileye001]
#18917871 - 10/01/13 07:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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evileye001 said: this seems to be a great debate. who can end this argument.
not including atmosphere. water can get hotter then 212 at higher pressure. thats not what were talking about.
can steam be hotter then boiling water at the same pressure.
i thought that the steam/boiling tek works off the principle that steam gets hotter then boiling water.
i may be wrong. whats the truth.
can steam be hotter then 212?
The gasses in the atmosphere can have much higher temps than their boiling point at normal pressure, why not water?
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Re: can steam be hotter then 212 degrees. the great debate. [Re: zappaisgod]
#18918037 - 10/01/13 07:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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there seems every body has there own opinion. its about half and half right now.
i think it can. its stupid to think that H20 cant physically be hotter then 212. it just cant be hotter then 212 at a liquid state.
the whole reason i started this thread is because me and mush4brains couldn't agree.
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Re: can steam be hotter then 212 degrees. the great debate. [Re: evileye001]
#18918076 - 10/01/13 08:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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evileye001 said: there seems every body has there own opinion. its about half and half right now.
i think it can. its stupid to think that H20 cant physically be hotter then 212. it just cant be hotter then 212 at a liquid state.
the whole reason i started this thread is because me and mush4brains couldn't agree.
Oh what a surprise.
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Re: can steam be hotter then 212 degrees. the great debate. [Re: zappaisgod]
#18918081 - 10/01/13 08:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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edit: nevermind, missed part of the question
Edited by Xingu (10/01/13 08:08 PM)
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Re: can steam be hotter then 212 degrees. the great debate. [Re: evileye001]
#18918121 - 10/01/13 08:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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evileye001 said: i think it can. its stupid to think that H20 cant physically be hotter then 212. it just cant be hotter then 212 at a liquid state.
Actually it can be hotter than 212 F in a liquid state, as stated throughout the thread. It can even happen at atmospheric pressure under certain conditions (e.g. microwaving distilled water.)
Edit: video was repost
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Re: can steam be hotter then 212 degrees. the great debate. [Re: evileye001]
#18918179 - 10/01/13 08:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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NWlight answered it with the graph and explanation. Answer = yes.
But again, assuming these starting conditions for a volume of water:
Pressure = 1 atmosphere Temperature = 77°F
Adding heat causes the temperature of the water to increase until it reaches boiling point (212°F). Between this point and total evaporation, additional heat is described as 'latent' (as opposed to 'sensible heat') because it doesn't cause any temperature change (i.e. you can't 'sense' it); rather it contributes to phase change. So as long as there's a mixture of gas and liquid - the (average) temperature won't go beyond 212°F - both the water and steam will be the same temperature. Then, once all of the water has become steam - the temperature will rise beyond 212°C and become 'superheated'. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superheated_steam
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