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Re: Life is just a distraction [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #18914129 - 10/01/13 12:49 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Wow thanks, that was amazing.


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Re: Life is just a distraction [Re: Icelander]
    #18914218 - 10/01/13 01:21 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Actually thank you, you got me investigating this guy a bit further, great rant here IMO:



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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: Life is just a distraction [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #18914266 - 10/01/13 01:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

where can I purchase this type of meat? :wink:


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Re: Life is just a distraction [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #18914452 - 10/01/13 02:47 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Hope you'll find this interesting.

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Maybe all the alpha males ancestors in that doc The Enlightened Ones you once linked died off from some sort of disease :lol:




Awesome video. 

Ok so their social system is created by them, just as ours is created by us.  But surely the hierarchical system links back to survival on some level?  The alpha males have better conditions, better access to food and less likely to get beat up.  They have a higher chance of survival and therefore less stress.


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Tomorrow, when resurrection comes,
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Re: Life is just a distraction [Re: r72rock]
    #18914505 - 10/01/13 03:19 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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But can an animal think about the existential implications of Death Anxiety? Can a cat contemplate non-existence? I feel that the cat can't abstractly think about something like non existence. And as it's been said many a times on this board, Death Anxiety could just as easily be called impermanence anxiety (which is what death implies), and what really shakes us about impermanence is the unknown. I guess we could then also say that it's "anxiety of the unknown."

Therefore, I'd say a cat doesn't have the existential form. It'll only have the biological form, where as I on the other hand, can experience both forms.




Yeah I agree with you, two different types.

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I'm also going to attack your claim that Death Anxiety is the underlying fear. :tongue: As I said earlier, I don't think that this is the underlying motivation for everything in life, but I also don't think it's an underlying fear for everything.

Think back to being a kid. Were there fears before the concept of death was known? Of course. Becker even talks about this in his book. He talks about how kids acquire the knowledge of death and how it shapes their world view. To me, this shows that this existential fear is something that's learned. I feel that people can learn to tie all their fears to Death Anxiety, and because of this, I don't believe that this is the underlying fear of everything.





Ok, so people aren't born with existential death anxiety, but they must be born with biological death anxiety?  The fear may not be conscious, but it's there instinctually surely? 

The underlying fear of everything has to be death.  It has to be.  That is the purpose of fear, to keep us alive.  The question is, is it that we simply misplace our fear onto things that aren't really a matter of survival?  Or is it that the  all things we fear ultimately lead back to death anxiety?  Are these two things the same thing? 

I'm not sure to be honest, I'm not even sure which corner I'm fighting any more *confused*  :jimcarreysplit:


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The seeker of love escapes the chains of birth and death.
Tomorrow, when resurrection comes,
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Re: Life is just a distraction [Re: PocketLady]
    #18914850 - 10/01/13 07:09 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

My mental and experiential journey has lead me to the same conclusions.  Our fears at core when you follow the thread back down, are always fear of impermanence/death.  I'm waiting (years) for someone to really demonstrate how Becker and the TMT people are wrong on this. :shrug:


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Re: Life is just a distraction [Re: Icelander]
    #18915027 - 10/01/13 08:21 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I already did by showing with logical evidence that DA is a more perfect manifestation of the fear of the unknown. Being safe isn't DA its just the smart thing to do if anyone wants to live. Subscribing to some religion isn't DA, more DC (death curiosity) as religion typically brings in such places like hell and purgatory..meaning religions are likely the cause of much DA, not the relief of them. 

Death anxiety is just the captain obvious way of saying "Will to Live" or rather "Scared to Live", this is explained in the 1st circuit in the 8 circuit model. The will to live is embedded in every single living creature. Once survival needs are met it is hardly the driver of all human behavior. The entire book by Becker is not profound in the least, he says nothing new, just points out the obvious, that humans want to live.

Whoa! So amazing! :rolleyes:


I'm not impressed with anything anyone says regarding DA acting like its some profound explanation of human behaviour.

No fucking shit life is driven to live and avoid death in order to survive. That is pretty damn standard animal/plant behavior, and yeah I'm absolutely positive it is unconscious and robotical even, take fight or flight response for instance. There is no philosophy in that book, just a mass charade of masking the very obvious very-well known truth that anything living seeks to avoid dying and calls it death anxiety. Duping everybody in the process.


Amazing observation he had there.

Not.

It's just a restatement of the obvious, and than everyone here gets all "oh you converted!"

To what exactly? Learning that you don't want to die on an conscious, subconscious, and unconscious level? WHOA


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Re: Life is just a distraction [Re: hTx]
    #18915213 - 10/01/13 09:22 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

IMO you're missing the main issue here.  Becker never claimed to have discovered anything amazingly unknown or special. What he did is to INVESTIGATE why we tend to downplay or ignore it's significance. Which is something everyone seems to do much of the time.  So if it's so obvious why does it seem to come as a revelation to so many when they finally grok it?  This is what Becker and the TMT folk are on to. That and what a motivator of human action it is.


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Edited by Icelander (10/01/13 10:41 AM)


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Re: Life is just a distraction [Re: PocketLady]
    #18915224 - 10/01/13 09:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I think a good question might be is what would you fear if you were immortal and all powerful?  The list would likely dwindle dramatically.


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Re: Life is just a distraction [Re: Icelander]
    #18916235 - 10/01/13 01:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Eternal boredom. That would fit nicely with the whole hindu back story. :lol: Then again wouldn't you have the power to change your emotion however you wanted?


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Re: Life is just a distraction [Re: Grapefruit]
    #18916274 - 10/01/13 01:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:shrug:  You would have very few things to consider fearing  if any.


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Re: Life is just a distraction [Re: Icelander]
    #18916475 - 10/01/13 02:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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If DA were not the underlying cause of our anxieties what do you think is and why?



I'm a lot more afraid of pain than I am of death.


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Re: Life is just a distraction [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18916567 - 10/01/13 02:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Pain is intimately associated with death.  Lots of pain means possible or likely death.  Being afraid of pain makes good sense.


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Re: Life is just a distraction [Re: Icelander]
    #18916764 - 10/01/13 03:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Pain is intimately associated with death.  Lots of pain means possible or likely death.  Being afraid of pain makes good sense.



When you're dead you don't feel pain.  Death is the cessation of pain.


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Re: Life is just a distraction [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18916782 - 10/01/13 03:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

So?


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Re: Life is just a distraction [Re: Icelander]
    #18916859 - 10/01/13 03:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

So fear of pain has nothing to do with DA.


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Re: Life is just a distraction [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18916930 - 10/01/13 03:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Pain protects us from death, just like fear does. More specifically, fear of pain protects us from death.


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Re: Life is just a distraction [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18916944 - 10/01/13 03:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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So fear of pain has nothing to do with DA.




Only if psychology and emotion plays no part in our makeup.


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Re: Life is just a distraction [Re: PocketLady]
    #18916946 - 10/01/13 03:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Pain protects us from death, just like fear does. More specifically, fear of pain protects us from death.




Of course it does. As I said it's tied in with our fear of death.


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Re: Life is just a distraction [Re: Icelander]
    #18917606 - 10/01/13 06:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

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So fear of pain has nothing to do with DA.




Only if psychology and emotion plays no part in our makeup.




I'm going to say this again.  I do not fear death.  He is over my shoulder, I believe the left one.  Pain, on the other hand, is immediate and can linger.  Sometimes people kill themselves to escape pain.


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