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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: Me_Roy]
    #18913618 - 09/30/13 10:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

This thread was a fail from minute one because of its "come at me bro" premise.

Rather than stating your case as to why the Affordable Care Act is bad, you expect people to state their positions so that you can use them as targets to snipe at with your talking points. Who in the world would want to do that? You clearly have no interest in civil discussion.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: evileye001]
    #18913627 - 09/30/13 10:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Nobody is just going to need heart surgery out of the blue.

They need healthcare first.




good idea.

free hart surgery!

will i die b4 i can get it? who knows. lets play the wheel of fortune!!!


a free surgery dosent matter if u cant get it.

canada has the same policy as obama is trying to imply. there is a reason they come to america to get the desperate surgerys done...





You can go to the physician and get your health checked up, if your in that bad of a state then most people didn't warn you about it out of your sensitive image of yourself, everyone knows you're fat.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: psi]
    #18913634 - 09/30/13 10:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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broke a bone? think the emergence rooms are bad now? the guy with the stubbed toe came first...



Are you familiar with the concept of triage?




yes but that dosent matter when they are flooded with people who come in with any small problem. just cuz the starving person needs food more dosent mean he can get past and noticed by everyone else taking advantage of free food at the soup kitchen




Basically, if you come into an emergency room with a complaint that's not actually urgent they just make you wait for a long time, or direct you to a walk-in clinic that deals with non-urgent problems like broken bones. Often there's one in the same building.




my mother had to have a infected gallbladder taken out the other day. it was in danger of killing her. you know how long to took to get her surgery? 8 hours. why? cuz of the flood of mexicans that are now legal and took all the resources of the hospital.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: evileye001]
    #18913640 - 09/30/13 10:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:goodluckwiththat2:


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: evileye001]
    #18913644 - 09/30/13 10:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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evileye001 said:
canada has the same policy as obama is trying to imply.




It really doesn't, Obamacare is far more like your previous system than it is like ours. That's why nobody can muster too much energy to defend it, it really isn't too attractive to anyone. People who think government wrecks everything it touches hate it for obvious reasons, and people who want real government healthcare like all the other first world countries enjoy realize that it's not actually providing that.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: psi]
    #18913654 - 09/30/13 10:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I agree. It falls way short of the kind of healthcare I think the people of this great nation deserve. Still better than our current system IMO, but it's hard to fall from the floor.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: Chowder963]
    #18913661 - 09/30/13 10:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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At first when you spelled heart as "hart" I assumed it was a mistake because how could anyone be THAT stupid, then you did it again.

You type like an illiterate and want to discuss things like an intelligent person, but youre not. How old are you? 15? Or are you just a brain dead hippie? Or are you just naturally this dull?




what dose my spelling have anything to do with this? id love to know where spelling and grammar have anything to do with intelligence. i was in honors english in high school and it sure wasent cuz i could spell.

yep i suck at spelling. get over it.

fun fact.

many presidents never went or dropped out of collage. some never finished high school


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: evileye001]
    #18913668 - 09/30/13 10:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Cause it will destroy our way of life.  Honestly though, I don't really give a shit about obamacare as long as I get free health care.




want a full time job? good luck...

need hart surgery? we will put you on the list. it will take 4-7 years.

broke a bone? think the emergence rooms are bad now? the guy with the stubbed toe came first...

if u can get a full time job (probable not unless you already have one) then great. if not you will have to buy your own insurance and the penalty for not is less then actually buying it so they get there money eather way and you still wont have insurance. to bad for the poor...

rich get richer poor get poorer.

btw 30 min is up




Well that was depressing I am already poor as a mother fucker. Havent had healthcare in 5 years either. Well I had it for the past year but other than that im cautious as fuck without insurance.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: evileye001]
    #18913678 - 09/30/13 10:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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evileye001 said:
my mother had to have a infected gallbladder taken out the other day. it was in danger of killing her. you know how long to took to get her surgery? 8 hours. why? cuz of the flood of mexicans that are now legal and took all the resources of the hospital.




It's true that triage is not perfect, sometimes they prioritize wrong and someone dies waiting for care. If there is some country where this never happens I would be surprised.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: nicechrisman]
    #18913695 - 09/30/13 10:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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psi said:
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evileye001 said:
canada has the same policy as obama is trying to imply.




It really doesn't, Obamacare is far more like your previous system than it is like ours. That's why nobody can muster too much energy to defend it, it really isn't too attractive to anyone. People who think government wrecks everything it touches hate it for obvious reasons, and people who want real government healthcare like all the other first world countries enjoy realize that it's not actually providing that.




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I agree. It falls way short of the kind of healthcare I think the people of this great nation deserve. Still better than our current system IMO, but it's hard to fall from the floor.





my economies teacher told me this once.

the economy is like a spinning top on a table. let it be and it will keep spinning on its own. the governments job is when its gets to close to the edge of the table is to gently push it back in. when the government starts to clasp around it to much the top stops spinning and the economy crashes.

let the people run the country and the government keep it safe.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: psi]
    #18913700 - 09/30/13 10:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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psi said:
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evileye001 said:
my mother had to have a infected gallbladder taken out the other day. it was in danger of killing her. you know how long to took to get her surgery? 8 hours. why? cuz of the flood of mexicans that are now legal and took all the resources of the hospital.




It's true that triage is not perfect, sometimes they prioritize wrong and someone dies waiting for care. If there is some country where this never happens I would be surprised.





i agree.

but i feel the laws about to imply will only make this worse.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: evileye001]
    #18913750 - 09/30/13 10:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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let the people run the country and the government keep it safe.



The government IS the people


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: nicechrisman]
    #18913812 - 09/30/13 11:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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let the people run the country and the government keep it safe.



The government IS the people




no the government is the people with the most money, power and influence.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: evileye001]
    #18913822 - 09/30/13 11:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I live in Canada, most people here are pretty happy with the health care system here.




for small stuff.

get a gash. no problem!

need a exploratory surgery? ur fucked...




That sounds exactly the same as the US :shrug:


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: evileye001] * 1
    #18913831 - 09/30/13 11:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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let the people run the country and the government keep it safe.



The government IS the people




no the government is the people with the most money, power and influence.




The insurance companies have a fuck of a lot of money, power and influence. Arguably they're pretty much the same as a bad government.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: psi]
    #18913899 - 09/30/13 11:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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let the people run the country and the government keep it safe.



The government IS the people




no the government is the people with the most money, power and influence.




The insurance companies have a fuck of a lot of money, power and influence. Arguably they're pretty much the same as a bad government.




cant argue with you there. you nailed it.

if you cut ur insurance cost by 3/4 the ceo's would still be in there 100,000 dollar cars (witch they deserve) but a lot more money would be left to the people.

its called a monopoly. even if there is competition you have to have it so it will be expensive cuz of greed and the if ALL the owners raise prices there is nothing you can do. same as gas.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: Enjoywho]
    #18913920 - 09/30/13 11:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Cause it will destroy our way of life.  Honestly though, I don't really give a shit about obamacare as long as I get free health care.




want a full time job? good luck...

need hart surgery? we will put you on the list. it will take 4-7 years.

broke a bone? think the emergence rooms are bad now? the guy with the stubbed toe came first...

if u can get a full time job (probable not unless you already have one) then great. if not you will have to buy your own insurance and the penalty for not is less then actually buying it so they get there money eather way and you still wont have insurance. to bad for the poor...

rich get richer poor get poorer.

btw 30 min is up



Wrong, Dumb, Wrong, Wrong, What?, Wrong. It's like all you've been watching for the last month straight are the anti-obamacare scare commercials. All of that is just scaremongering conjecture, made up bullshit by people who really can't take another political defeat.


-The ACA does not give everyone free health care. It attempts to make healthcare affordable for everyone, thus: affordable care act.

-One of the first implemented provisions was to extend coverage of children on their parent's plans til the age of 26, many people are enjoying that benefit already today.

-The law forces the insurance company to use a high percentage of the money you pay to them for actual care, not to line their pockets. It also ends life-time limits. Basically, it forces the insurance companies to give you the product you pay your entire life for instead of screwing you out of it.

-You can  not  be  denied  for  pre-existing  conditions.  If your child is born with a heart defect, you still can get insurance for him instead of selling the farm to keep him alive.

-To prevent people from simply buying insurance when they get sick, there is the individual mandate: Everyone must buy insurance.  *This also solves the problem of how to pay for the probable larger amount of care undertaken, more money in the pot, more to go around. *This also solves the problem of the uninsured clogging emergency services, everyone has coverage, and their care is planned for and paid.


These are major real issues that affect people every day that are being worked on. The bill isn't perfect but at least we're trying something. You pay for these problems no matter what, at least this way we'll see some positive change.  But of course we have to drag you into a better future kicking and screaming, as usual.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: Lynnch]
    #18914001 - 10/01/13 12:09 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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evileye001 said:
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Cause it will destroy our way of life.  Honestly though, I don't really give a shit about obamacare as long as I get free health care.




want a full time job? good luck...

need hart surgery? we will put you on the list. it will take 4-7 years.

broke a bone? think the emergence rooms are bad now? the guy with the stubbed toe came first...

if u can get a full time job (probable not unless you already have one) then great. if not you will have to buy your own insurance and the penalty for not is less then actually buying it so they get there money eather way and you still wont have insurance. to bad for the poor...

rich get richer poor get poorer.

btw 30 min is up



Wrong, Dumb, Wrong, Wrong, What?, Wrong. It's like all you've been watching for the last month straight are the anti-obamacare scare commercials. All of that is just scaremongering conjecture, made up bullshit by people who really can't take another political defeat.


-The ACA does not give everyone free health care. It attempts to make healthcare affordable for everyone, thus: affordable care act.

-One of the first implemented provisions was to extend coverage of children on their parent's plans til the age of 26, many people are enjoying that benefit already today.

-The law forces the insurance company to use a high percentage of the money you pay to them for actual care, not to line their pockets. It also ends life-time limits. Basically, it forces the insurance companies to give you the product you pay your entire life for instead of screwing you out of it.

-You can  not  be  denied  for  pre-existing  conditions.  If your child is born with a heart defect, you still can get insurance for him instead of selling the farm to keep him alive.

-To prevent people from simply buying insurance when they get sick, there is the individual mandate: Everyone must buy insurance.  *This also solves the problem of how to pay for the probable larger amount of care undertaken, more money in the pot, more to go around. *This also solves the problem of the uninsured clogging emergency services, everyone has coverage, and their care is planned for and paid.


These are major real issues that affect people every day that are being worked on. The bill isn't perfect but at least we're trying something. You pay for these problems no matter what, at least this way we'll see some positive change.  But of course we have to drag you into a better future kicking and screaming, as usual.




1.

cost will still be guite high if you have no job or a part time job. any big business can give only part time jobs if they wish and not provide you with health care as a result.
2.

this is not a bad implemant but the inshurace companys could implement this now with little to no noticeabel difference in there life stile/spending budget. but when numbers dont mater any more, to the people on the bottom they mean everything.


3.

yes health care company's screw you. the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. but if we could rip the power and money out of there monopoly busnes then they would be forced to provided the best service at the cheapest price and this would not be a problem in the first place.

4.

people with the most power and  money ( witch should be the people who can advance there wealth out of entrepreneurism and not have deals to keep every bodys prices high since the people have to have it.) should have the advantage of health care. sorry i beleave that a hard worker deserves it over a crack head.


5.

even with this law most people will have to buy there insurance. if you are not a full time employe then you must provide your own health care. it will actually be cheaper to not buy it and pay the penalty.

there is enough money in the pot now. if the top 5 percent wealth took one zero out of there annual salary they would not notice a change in lifestyle and would be more then enough to give the lowest workers enough to live and buy there necessary needs such as insurances.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: evileye001]
    #18914031 - 10/01/13 12:18 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I work full time and my employer has really good insurance.
All I want to know is Obamacare going to make my cheap ass employer even cheaper or fuck with my insurance?


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: Shroomism]
    #18914042 - 10/01/13 12:21 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Shroomism said:
I work full time and my employer has really good insurance.
All I want to know is Obamacare going to make my cheap ass employer even cheaper or fuck with my insurance?




yep. as long as they dont fire you or force you to be a part time employe. good for you. but it fucks every body else!


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