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Anonymous #1

Is it even possible to ever restore trust?
    #18913496 - 09/30/13 10:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yes, well.

I caught my significant other, who I'll refer to as M, flirtatiously texting other people. Saying really suggestive things to them, things that should never be uttered to anyone but the one you love and share a life and home with.

It had a very profound effect on me. I have never been hurt like that before. I've been cheated on in the past, but I wasn't truly in love in that relationship really, I didn't feel anything for them even remotely close to the love I feel for the one I'm with now.

When confronted, M was all apologies at first, but then the excuses started up. Excuses like, "at least I didn't actually sleep with anyone else." As if that's supposed to make me feel better, like I'm supposed to feel lucky that I was just emotionally betrayed rather than emotionally and physically betrayed.

Excuses like, "it was just fiction, I didn't mean what I said to them." But the thing is, the things that were said to them were the exact same things that M says to me. Word for fucking word, right down the cutesy fucking little nicknames. How can something be "fiction" when talking to one person, but supposedly be meaningful truth when speaking to me?

I felt like something sacred was stolen from me. Something so special and so meaningful to me, something that I thought was only shared between us actually meant nothing to M. The innocent trust between us is gone, M perverted it.

I can't stop thinking about the texts M sent to them, even though I know all contact has been cut off between them. I know that M no longer speaks to anyone that way anymore, except me.

This is why I feel I'm being irrational. M stopped the unacceptable behavior. But I can't help but still harbor resentment towards M for ever doing it in the first place.

Is this normal? Is it rational to still resent M for perverting what was sacred, months after it all happened, months after it all went back to 'normal'?

What do I need to do in order to rid myself of this incessant ache?


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Re: Is it even possible to ever restore trust? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #18913502 - 09/30/13 10:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Is it even possible to ever forgive someone?


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Re: Is it even possible to ever restore trust? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #18913515 - 09/30/13 10:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

she did it once she'll do it again. If she's willing to flirt like that she must be looking at other people besides you for intimacy

I would'a dumbed the bitch right away like if you wanna say those things go do it in person whooore :imafirinmahlazer:


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Re: Is it even possible to ever restore trust? [Re: Chuckfinely]
    #18913638 - 09/30/13 10:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

people don't change, we are creatures of habit. It might take awhile, it might change form slightly, but it'll happen again and again.


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Re: Is it even possible to ever restore trust? [Re: Chuckfinely]
    #18913641 - 09/30/13 10:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

tread carefully my friend for i have been thru that exact shit with quite frankly someone I refer to as M as well lol

the fact shes doing that goes to show you that shes definitely at least checking out some potential options which means something for sure.


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Re: Is it even possible to ever restore trust? [Re: Chuckfinely]
    #18913643 - 09/30/13 10:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It certainly is possible for people to forgive, however, NOBODY I mean nobody ever forgets no matter how hard you may try..


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Re: Is it even possible to ever restore trust? [Re: Chuckfinely]
    #18913670 - 09/30/13 10:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Well I can tell you trust can be restored. Im currently going through a similar situation. Trust can be regained but every time a break in the newly healing trust happens it makes a bigger fissure. Im getting close to an irreparable point in my relationship but im remaining optimistic. Take it a day at a time but dont let someone abuse you.


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Re: Is it even possible to ever restore trust? [Re: Chuckfinely]
    #18913680 - 09/30/13 10:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Chuckfinely said:
she did it once she'll do it again. If she's willing to flirt like that she must be looking at other people besides you for intimacy

I would'a dumbed the bitch right away like if you wanna say those things go do it in person whooore :imafirinmahlazer:



Funny how you just assume it's a woman when that was never mentioned.

OP, it sounds like your partner has been pretty hurtful to you.  I'm not sure I could regain trust for someone after that.


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Re: Is it even possible to ever restore trust? [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #18915611 - 10/01/13 11:05 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't think trust can be restored. You may try, but if you still have any residual ill feelings they are going to turn into resentment and that will cause even more problems down the road. If I were you, I would break it off.


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Re: Is it even possible to ever restore trust? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #18917725 - 10/01/13 06:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Anonymous said:
Yes, well.

I caught my significant other, who I'll refer to as M, flirtatiously texting other people. Saying really suggestive things to them, things that should never be uttered to anyone but the one you love and share a life and home with.

It had a very profound effect on me. I have never been hurt like that before. I've been cheated on in the past, but I wasn't truly in love in that relationship really, I didn't feel anything for them even remotely close to the love I feel for the one I'm with now.

When confronted, M was all apologies at first, but then the excuses started up. Excuses like, "at least I didn't actually sleep with anyone else." As if that's supposed to make me feel better, like I'm supposed to feel lucky that I was just emotionally betrayed rather than emotionally and physically betrayed.

Excuses like, "it was just fiction, I didn't mean what I said to them." But the thing is, the things that were said to them were the exact same things that M says to me. Word for fucking word, right down the cutesy fucking little nicknames. How can something be "fiction" when talking to one person, but supposedly be meaningful truth when speaking to me?

I felt like something sacred was stolen from me. Something so special and so meaningful to me, something that I thought was only shared between us actually meant nothing to M. The innocent trust between us is gone, M perverted it.

I can't stop thinking about the texts M sent to them, even though I know all contact has been cut off between them. I know that M no longer speaks to anyone that way anymore, except me.

This is why I feel I'm being irrational. M stopped the unacceptable behavior. But I can't help but still harbor resentment towards M for ever doing it in the first place.

Is this normal? Is it rational to still resent M for perverting what was sacred, months after it all happened, months after it all went back to 'normal'?

What do I need to do in order to rid myself of this incessant ache?



you've entered the death spiral of your relationship. you are just clinging to an idealized form of your relationship and what you want it to be rather than painfully confronting what it currently is.

trust is all that matters. and once gone, is just about impossible to rebuild and even then will never be what it once was - it becomes an effort, instead of that beautiful intimacy which needs no reminding.

time to end it. i don't say that lightly - i went through something similar.


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Re: Is it even possible to ever restore trust? [Re: JesusIsLord] * 1
    #18917729 - 10/01/13 06:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

[Mod edit: inappropriate post]


:mmmkay:


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Re: Is it even possible to ever restore trust? [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #18917742 - 10/01/13 06:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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pwnasaurus said:
Quote:

Chuckfinely said:
she did it once she'll do it again. If she's willing to flirt like that she must be looking at other people besides you for intimacy

I would'a dumbed the bitch right away like if you wanna say those things go do it in person whooore :imafirinmahlazer:



Funny how you just assume it's a woman when that was never mentioned.

OP, it sounds like your partner has been pretty hurtful to you.  I'm not sure I could regain trust for someone after that.



given that the shroomery is primarily comprised of young men, it's a safe bet OP is talking about a woman. :taco:


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Re: Is it even possible to ever restore trust? [Re: JesusIsLord]
    #18918345 - 10/01/13 09:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

break it off, its not worth your time.

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Re: Is it even possible to ever restore trust? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #18922319 - 10/02/13 04:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Yes, well.

I caught my significant other, who I'll refer to as M, flirtatiously texting other people. Saying really suggestive things to them, things that should never be uttered to anyone but the one you love and share a life and home with.

It had a very profound effect on me. I have never been hurt like that before. I've been cheated on in the past, but I wasn't truly in love in that relationship really, I didn't feel anything for them even remotely close to the love I feel for the one I'm with now.

When confronted, M was all apologies at first, but then the excuses started up. Excuses like, "at least I didn't actually sleep with anyone else." As if that's supposed to make me feel better, like I'm supposed to feel lucky that I was just emotionally betrayed rather than emotionally and physically betrayed.

Excuses like, "it was just fiction, I didn't mean what I said to them." But the thing is, the things that were said to them were the exact same things that M says to me. Word for fucking word, right down the cutesy fucking little nicknames. How can something be "fiction" when talking to one person, but supposedly be meaningful truth when speaking to me?

I felt like something sacred was stolen from me. Something so special and so meaningful to me, something that I thought was only shared between us actually meant nothing to M. The innocent trust between us is gone, M perverted it.

I can't stop thinking about the texts M sent to them, even though I know all contact has been cut off between them. I know that M no longer speaks to anyone that way anymore, except me.

This is why I feel I'm being irrational. M stopped the unacceptable behavior. But I can't help but still harbor resentment towards M for ever doing it in the first place.

Is this normal? Is it rational to still resent M for perverting what was sacred, months after it all happened, months after it all went back to 'normal'?

What do I need to do in order to rid myself of this incessant ache?





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Re: Is it even possible to ever restore trust? [Re: itchmynipple]
    #18922328 - 10/02/13 04:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

IME not really honestly.


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Re: Is it even possible to ever restore trust? [Re: lillFish]
    #18922374 - 10/02/13 04:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I don't think trust can be restored. You may try, but if you still have any residual ill feelings they are going to turn into resentment and that will cause even more problems down the road. If I were you, I would break it off.




Qft. I went through something similar and it just made me resent her. We cleanly broke it off and I still love her as a friend. But in a relationship it just made me hate her.

The feelings dont pass either. It eats at you until you can't take it. If the person will do that in the first place it's just not to be man. Someone better is always out there.


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Re: Is it even possible to ever restore trust? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #18922408 - 10/02/13 04:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I think it could be restored if she told you the actual reason as to why she was doing that, and you both came to a sincere mutual understanding of the reality of the situation. It would still take some time though, but you'd be able to move past it together.

Seeing as how she's just coming up with excuses and not actually giving you the full picture - and is probably hiding from the full picture herself - than no I don't think "trust" will ever be fully restored between you two, unless that changes.

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Re: Is it even possible to ever restore trust? [Re: Enjoywho]
    #18922415 - 10/02/13 04:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Enjoywho said:
IME not really honestly.





well the thing is, is that he probably gets more excitement devoting his time to these mystery girls, and being undercover.  he needs to suppress them, but if his heart and mind isn't in the right place, he most likely wont suppress them forever, n they will return as bigger urges. when your mind and heart are in the right place, you wouldn't of done this to begin with..

so the question is how do we get your boyfriends heart and mind in the right place?

if we are already holding up our end of the relationship with love and friendliness but the other does not reciprocate, then there's only one great answer, that is to break up with them. this will make him sad for his shortcomings the most.

breaking up before things get worse, this will help him learn a lesson, and maybe in the future you two could rekindle things. I'm sure he will have a change of heart next time regarding introducing other girls.

i think people know they will be forgiven a lot of times even if it hurts there partner, so they will cheat or try to cheat. n since they can't do something, they feel like there being controlled.


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Re: Is it even possible to ever restore trust? [Re: vertygo]
    #18927523 - 10/03/13 07:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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vertygo said:
people don't change, we are creatures of habit. It might take awhile, it might change form slightly, but it'll happen again and again.




This is a sad truth that I've ignored several times and it always comes back to bite you in the ass when you do.


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Re: Is it even possible to ever restore trust? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #18929339 - 10/04/13 02:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yes. But it can be extremely hard. takes huge amounts of effort on both sides. good luck.


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Re: Is it even possible to ever restore trust? [Re: JesusGoneRogue]
    #18930849 - 10/04/13 11:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

well you know,

when an ex cheated on me, what goes through my mind is how she felt/what she was thinking when she was doing it... its a terrible thing to think about, and it doesn't really go away unfortunately..

you can see the sadness on the persons face, whoever got cheated on. almost like there stuck and dont know what to do because they love you but they know it will never be the same.


Key sentence, it was never the same.


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Re: Is it even possible to ever restore trust? [Re: itchmynipple]
    #18931525 - 10/04/13 02:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

damn it nipple! You're hitting me right in my feels! :hugitout:                                                                                                                            one fateful day i was tripping on some lsa seeds and i was speaking with my ex. everythings goin all smooth, and then she drops a fucking bomb on me. she basically admits to sleeping with like ten guys throughout our "relationship" and that she cheated on me from the very beginning. on the outside i was like :wonka:                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            but on the inside i was like :sonofawebitch: at that moment my heart shattered into billions of pieces. i was DEVASTATED


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Re: Is it even possible to ever restore trust? [Re: JesusGoneRogue]
    #18932439 - 10/04/13 06:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I love all of you. Be strong everyone can get through it. Just try to remember the good times. After that put her face on a target and go shoot 50 cal bullets at her or him. Find a companion who is worthy of what you want. Get a fucking dog. lol. For real though LOVE is letting go and loving them for what devils they are.


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Re: Is it even possible to ever restore trust? [Re: tarponio]
    #18932760 - 10/04/13 07:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Complete exclusivity is a very nice romantic notion that is a great thing to aspire to. In the long run it is very difficult to achieve. Some people physically cheat while others simply engage in establishing unacceptably close emotional relationships. I think in both of those cases it is more apt to happen to people that are particularly insecure. People need to feel attractive and desired. When you have been in a long term relationship you can start to feel less desired as time goes by. Flirtatious emails, conversations and texts can help feed someones ego and temporarily make them feel better. I don't think it always means that they were intending to 'cheat', although it can be a slippery slope. Maybe she just needs to feel more desire from you. You need to ravage the shit outta her :ranchydance:


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Re: Is it even possible to ever restore trust? [Re: pslyke]
    #18932794 - 10/04/13 07:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yes, but you truly have to want it otherwise it will never happen. If you want to try then you should start be treating her like you did when you first met and not stop, you should start texting her dirty shit like she wants. All im sayen is she is bored, if you let her get to bored she will take it to the next level.  You caught it at the beginning,  feel lucky.


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Re: Is it even possible to ever restore trust? [Re: JesusGoneRogue]
    #18933244 - 10/04/13 09:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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damn it nipple! You're hitting me right in my feels! :hugitout:                                                                                                                            one fateful day i was tripping on some lsa seeds and i was speaking with my ex. everythings goin all smooth, and then she drops a fucking bomb on me. she basically admits to sleeping with like ten guys throughout our "relationship" and that she cheated on me from the very beginning. on the outside i was like :wonka:                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            but on the inside i was like :sonofawebitch: at that moment my heart shattered into billions of pieces. i was DEVASTATED




thats pretty fucked man. the best way to go about those things is pretend it was literally a nightmare you had when you were sleeping, this way you can detach from her like it was nothing..

hope you broke up with her after.


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Re: Is it even possible to ever restore trust? [Re: tarponio]
    #18933261 - 10/04/13 09:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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tarponio said:
I love all of you. Be strong everyone can get through it. Just try to remember the good times. After that put her face on a target and go shoot 50 cal bullets at her or him. Find a companion who is worthy of what you want. Get a fucking dog. lol. For real though LOVE is letting go and loving them for what devils they are.




what kind of love world do you live in?

the one where 1 of the people in the relationship think they are in a dedicated relationship, and the other gets to fuck people n put the relationship on silent-hold, lustful moments for selfish desires that Won't be found with the 'right' partner/someone who doesn't want to live like a monkey?

human beings will be naturally attracted to eachother, its who you want to be with every night and who you will Forget attractions for


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Re: Is it even possible to ever restore trust? [Re: itchmynipple]
    #18941968 - 10/06/13 07:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I did something simular to my ex husband because I wasnt really happy in the relationship. I eventually cheated on him for real, and left him.  If she is entertaining the idea, she will do it one day.


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