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Offlineevileye001
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name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min)
    #18913301 - 09/30/13 09:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

go for it i dare you. one reason at a time.

on a side note this country is no longer a democracy. when did the people loose the power?

so why is obamacare a good idea?

:nocomment:


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OfflineThe Ecstatic
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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: evileye001] * 1
    #18913310 - 09/30/13 09:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

evileye001 said:
go for it i dare you. one reason at a time.

on a side note this country is no longer a democracy. when did the people loose the power?

so why is obamacare a good idea?

:nocomment:





You spelled lose wrong, and this country was never a democracy.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: evileye001] * 1
    #18913323 - 09/30/13 09:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Shut the fuck up! :lol:


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #18913339 - 09/30/13 09:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i am not a democrat but i believe the power belongs to the people not the government.

dose my spelling have anything to do with this or are you trying to put me down?


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: evileye001]
    #18913345 - 09/30/13 09:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

evileye001 said:
go for it i dare you. one reason at a time.

on a side note this country is no longer a democracy. when did the people loose the power?

so why is obamacare a good idea?

:nocomment:




Name all your reasons why obamacare is a bad idea.

Go for it i dare you. One reason at a time.

On a side note this burger topped with sriracha sauce is no longer spicy. When did this sauce lose its heat?

So why is obamacare a bad idea?

:awkwardglance:


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: Konyap]
    #18913348 - 09/30/13 09:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Illyabo said:
Shut the fuck up! :lol:




WOW nobody can come at me.

i could sum up all of obamas speech today in these words...

Shut the fuck up!


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: evileye001]
    #18913358 - 09/30/13 09:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

evileye001 said:
Quote:

Illyabo said:
Shut the fuck up! :lol:




WOW nobody can come at me.

i could sum up all of obamas speech today in these words...

Shut the fuck up!




You can't do anything about it so FUCK YOU~!:lol:


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: Nimpo]
    #18913359 - 09/30/13 09:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Nimpo said:
Quote:

evileye001 said:
go for it i dare you. one reason at a time.

on a side note this country is no longer a democracy. when did the people loose the power?

so why is obamacare a good idea?

:nocomment:




Name all your reasons why obamacare is a bad idea.

Go for it i dare you. One reason at a time.

On a side note this burger topped with sriracha sauce is no longer spicy. When did this sauce lose its heat?

So why is obamacare a bad idea?

:awkwardglance:




more mocking!!!

it would take a few hours but i could do that for you if u wanted.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: evileye001] * 5
    #18913368 - 09/30/13 09:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

evileye001 said:
Quote:

Illyabo said:
Shut the fuck up! :lol:




WOW nobody can come at me.





Nobody cares. Why should they leap at the opportunity to debate with evileye001? You gotta sell yourself man, get a slick opening sequence and a staff of writers to help you whip a vulnerable demographic into a highly lucrative frenzy.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: evileye001]
    #18913378 - 09/30/13 09:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

We are sheep, we only have the allusion of choice. Our country's fate is not decided by its patriots, but by its political gangsters. We can only pray we as a society will one day wake up, and as a collective, fight for change.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: evileye001] * 2
    #18913379 - 09/30/13 09:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

evileye001 said:know ur facts.




Quote:

evileye001 said:
on a side note this country is no longer a democracy.




Yeah, this should end well.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: evileye001]
    #18913383 - 09/30/13 09:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

so many haters. i thought the shroomery would be the one place i could have a intelligent discussion.

politics = :flipthebird: every time


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: Dudits]
    #18913392 - 09/30/13 09:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

saviorsam said:
We are sheep, we only have the allusion of choice. Our country's fate is not decided by its patriots, but by its political gangsters. We can only pray we as a society will one day wake up, and as a collective, fight for change.




:seriousthumbsup:


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: evileye001]
    #18913395 - 09/30/13 09:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

There's a political discussion forum anyway, we'd all love to watch you guys sink into your chairs pushing your finger tips together over this, we really would!


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: 4runner]
    #18913405 - 09/30/13 09:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

anunnakian said:
Quote:

evileye001 said:know ur facts.




Quote:

evileye001 said:
on a side note this country is no longer a democracy.




Yeah, this should end well.




A democracy is a regime where rule is determined by the people. Usually, the rule of the people involves voting either directly on propositions, or indirectly through representatives.

The original Greek word was derived from demos, meaning "the people," and kratein meaning "to rule." So it means '' ruled by the people'' or ''the people rule.''

Essentially, a democracy is a system of government owned and controlled by the majority of those it governs. Decisions on policies and actions by the government are made by the elected representatives of the populace, or by direct plebiscite (propositions decided by a majority vote of the citizens).

so shut the fuck up!

since we cant be civil


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OfflineThe Ecstatic
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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: evileye001]
    #18913420 - 09/30/13 09:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

We're not talking about etymology, fool. :angrykidface:


This country is a republic.  "...and to the Republic,  for which it stands.." Remember that?


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: Konyap]
    #18913429 - 09/30/13 09:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Illyabo said:
There's a political discussion forum anyway, we'd all love to watch you guys sink into your chairs pushing your finger tips together over this, we really would!




yes but the pub allows all discussion within the rules and many more shroomerites visit here.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: evileye001]
    #18913438 - 09/30/13 09:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Dude you got's to chill with the flaming bro. This is the pub. If you can't back up your statement without name calling, maybe you should just delete this thread.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #18913466 - 09/30/13 09:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
We're not talking about etymology, fool. :angrykidface:


This country is a republic.  "...and to the Republic,  for which it stands.." Remember that?




re·pub·lic

: a country that is governed by elected representatives and by an elected leader (such as a president) rather than by a king or queen

ruled by the people

de·moc·ra·cy

: a form of government in which people choose leaders by voting

: a country ruled by democracy

: an organization or situation in which everyone is treated equally and has equal rights

let me rephrase my original post.

the people are no longer in control


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: nicechrisman]
    #18913481 - 09/30/13 09:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

nicechrisman said:
Dude you got's to chill with the flaming bro. This is the pub. If you can't back up your statement without name calling, maybe you should just delete this thread.




i never called anybody any names. only addressed the people bashing me and told them they cant be civil.

thank you for your concern. i wish this to be peaceful


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: evileye001]
    #18913493 - 09/30/13 09:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Cause it will destroy our way of life.  Honestly though, I don't really give a shit about obamacare as long as I get free health care.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: evileye001]
    #18913498 - 09/30/13 10:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I wouldnt want to talk politics with someone named "evileye001" on a mushroom growing forum.

Youre probably just one of those people who just enjoy going against the government and all that. If you dont like it, move to a country that better suits you, or just go live on an island.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: evileye001]
    #18913513 - 09/30/13 10:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

evileye001 said:
Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
We're not talking about etymology, fool. :angrykidface:


This country is a republic.  "...and to the Republic,  for which it stands.." Remember that?




re·pub·lic

: a country that is governed by elected representatives and by an elected leader (such as a president) rather than by a king or queen

ruled by the people

de·moc·ra·cy

: a form of government in which people choose leaders by voting

: a country ruled by democracy

: an organization or situation in which everyone is treated equally and has equal rights

let me rephrase my original post.

the people are no longer in control





The people never were in control. We started off accepting at only rich white landowning males could vote. I think youre the one who needs some facts.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: fapjack]
    #18913520 - 09/30/13 10:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

fapjack said:
Cause it will destroy our way of life.  Honestly though, I don't really give a shit about obamacare as long as I get free health care.




want a full time job? good luck...

need hart surgery? we will put you on the list. it will take 4-7 years.

broke a bone? think the emergence rooms are bad now? the guy with the stubbed toe came first...

if u can get a full time job (probable not unless you already have one) then great. if not you will have to buy your own insurance and the penalty for not is less then actually buying it so they get there money eather way and you still wont have insurance. to bad for the poor...

rich get richer poor get poorer.

btw 30 min is up


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: evileye001]
    #18913524 - 09/30/13 10:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

evileye001 said:
Quote:

Illyabo said:
There's a political discussion forum anyway, we'd all love to watch you guys sink into your chairs pushing your finger tips together over this, we really would!




yes but the pub allows all discussion within the rules and many more shroomerites visit here.




This thread actually induced me to visit Political Discussion as an alternative. Solid forum over there. :congrats:


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: evileye001]
    #18913529 - 09/30/13 10:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Nobody is just going to need heart surgery out of the blue.

They need healthcare first.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #18913539 - 09/30/13 10:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
Quote:

evileye001 said:
Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
We're not talking about etymology, fool. :angrykidface:


This country is a republic.  "...and to the Republic,  for which it stands.." Remember that?




re·pub·lic

: a country that is governed by elected representatives and by an elected leader (such as a president) rather than by a king or queen

ruled by the people

de·moc·ra·cy

: a form of government in which people choose leaders by voting

: a country ruled by democracy

: an organization or situation in which everyone is treated equally and has equal rights

let me rephrase my original post.

the people are no longer in control





The people never were in control. We started off accepting at only rich white landowning males could vote. I think youre the one who needs some facts.




wow cant leave slavery out???

i really dont sound to be mean but i cant help what my great great great grandfather did to your linage.

justice is blind. as am i.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: Konyap]
    #18913553 - 09/30/13 10:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Illyabo said:
Nobody is just going to need heart surgery out of the blue.

They need healthcare first.




good idea.

free hart surgery!

will i die b4 i can get it? who knows. lets play the wheel of fortune!!!


a free surgery dosent matter if u cant get it.

canada has the same policy as obama is trying to imply. there is a reason they come to america to get the desperate surgerys done...


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: evileye001] * 2
    #18913556 - 09/30/13 10:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

evileye001 said:
broke a bone? think the emergence rooms are bad now? the guy with the stubbed toe came first...



Are you familiar with the concept of triage?


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: evileye001]
    #18913557 - 09/30/13 10:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yes the rich Canadians do. I'm sure the normal working folk can't afford to come here and pay for our extremely overpriced health care.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: psi]
    #18913568 - 09/30/13 10:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

psi said:
Quote:

evileye001 said:
broke a bone? think the emergence rooms are bad now? the guy with the stubbed toe came first...



Are you familiar with the concept of triage?




yes but that dosent matter when they are flooded with people who come in with any small problem. just cuz the starving person needs food more dosent mean he can get past and noticed by everyone else taking advantage of free food at the soup kitchen

agen look at canadas free health care. it will show you how things work under these circumstances.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: evileye001]
    #18913574 - 09/30/13 10:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I live in Canada, most people here are pretty happy with the health care system here.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: nicechrisman]
    #18913578 - 09/30/13 10:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

nicechrisman said:
Yes the rich Canadians do. I'm sure the normal working fold can't afford to come here and pay for our extremely overpriced health care.




crack heads over hard workers thats what i always say!!!

now if only the corrupt ceo's could get there monopolys shut down.

the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. if we could fix that then we would be alright.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: evileye001]
    #18913583 - 09/30/13 10:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Are you implying that only rich people are hard workers?


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: psi]
    #18913589 - 09/30/13 10:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

psi said:
I live in Canada, most people here are pretty happy with the health care system here.




for small stuff.

get a gash. no problem!

need a exploratory surgery? ur fucked...


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: evileye001]
    #18913601 - 09/30/13 10:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

evileye001 said:
Quote:

psi said:
I live in Canada, most people here are pretty happy with the health care system here.




for small stuff.

get a gash. no problem!





State-sponsored prostitution?


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: evileye001]
    #18913605 - 09/30/13 10:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

evileye001 said:
Quote:

psi said:
Quote:

evileye001 said:
broke a bone? think the emergence rooms are bad now? the guy with the stubbed toe came first...



Are you familiar with the concept of triage?




yes but that dosent matter when they are flooded with people who come in with any small problem. just cuz the starving person needs food more dosent mean he can get past and noticed by everyone else taking advantage of free food at the soup kitchen




Basically, if you come into an emergency room with a complaint that's not actually urgent they just make you wait for a long time, or direct you to a walk-in clinic that deals with non-urgent problems like broken bones. Often there's one in the same building.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: nicechrisman]
    #18913611 - 09/30/13 10:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Are you implying that only rich people are hard workers?




no.

im implying that if the all the money wasent in the hands of the few then then the average hard worker would make a good decent wage.

agen the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

95 percent of americas money belongs to less the 1 percent of the population.

i should be able to work at mcdonalds and be able to pay basic living needs.



raising the wage part i dont care about. but you get the drift?


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    #18913615 - 09/30/13 10:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I live in Canada, most people here are pretty happy with the health care system here.




for small stuff.

get a gash. no problem!

need a exploratory surgery? ur fucked...




Yeah we just have a handful of country bumpkin doctors equipped with bandaids and kitchen utensils.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: evileye001]
    #18913616 - 09/30/13 10:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

At first when you spelled heart as "hart" I assumed it was a mistake because how could anyone be THAT stupid, then you did it again.

You type like an illiterate and want to discuss things like an intelligent person, but youre not. How old are you? 15? Or are you just a brain dead hippie? Or are you just naturally this dull?


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: Me_Roy]
    #18913618 - 09/30/13 10:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

This thread was a fail from minute one because of its "come at me bro" premise.

Rather than stating your case as to why the Affordable Care Act is bad, you expect people to state their positions so that you can use them as targets to snipe at with your talking points. Who in the world would want to do that? You clearly have no interest in civil discussion.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: evileye001]
    #18913627 - 09/30/13 10:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Nobody is just going to need heart surgery out of the blue.

They need healthcare first.




good idea.

free hart surgery!

will i die b4 i can get it? who knows. lets play the wheel of fortune!!!


a free surgery dosent matter if u cant get it.

canada has the same policy as obama is trying to imply. there is a reason they come to america to get the desperate surgerys done...





You can go to the physician and get your health checked up, if your in that bad of a state then most people didn't warn you about it out of your sensitive image of yourself, everyone knows you're fat.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: psi]
    #18913634 - 09/30/13 10:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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broke a bone? think the emergence rooms are bad now? the guy with the stubbed toe came first...



Are you familiar with the concept of triage?




yes but that dosent matter when they are flooded with people who come in with any small problem. just cuz the starving person needs food more dosent mean he can get past and noticed by everyone else taking advantage of free food at the soup kitchen




Basically, if you come into an emergency room with a complaint that's not actually urgent they just make you wait for a long time, or direct you to a walk-in clinic that deals with non-urgent problems like broken bones. Often there's one in the same building.




my mother had to have a infected gallbladder taken out the other day. it was in danger of killing her. you know how long to took to get her surgery? 8 hours. why? cuz of the flood of mexicans that are now legal and took all the resources of the hospital.


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    #18913640 - 09/30/13 10:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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    #18913644 - 09/30/13 10:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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canada has the same policy as obama is trying to imply.




It really doesn't, Obamacare is far more like your previous system than it is like ours. That's why nobody can muster too much energy to defend it, it really isn't too attractive to anyone. People who think government wrecks everything it touches hate it for obvious reasons, and people who want real government healthcare like all the other first world countries enjoy realize that it's not actually providing that.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: psi]
    #18913654 - 09/30/13 10:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I agree. It falls way short of the kind of healthcare I think the people of this great nation deserve. Still better than our current system IMO, but it's hard to fall from the floor.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: Chowder963]
    #18913661 - 09/30/13 10:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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At first when you spelled heart as "hart" I assumed it was a mistake because how could anyone be THAT stupid, then you did it again.

You type like an illiterate and want to discuss things like an intelligent person, but youre not. How old are you? 15? Or are you just a brain dead hippie? Or are you just naturally this dull?




what dose my spelling have anything to do with this? id love to know where spelling and grammar have anything to do with intelligence. i was in honors english in high school and it sure wasent cuz i could spell.

yep i suck at spelling. get over it.

fun fact.

many presidents never went or dropped out of collage. some never finished high school


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: evileye001]
    #18913668 - 09/30/13 10:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Cause it will destroy our way of life.  Honestly though, I don't really give a shit about obamacare as long as I get free health care.




want a full time job? good luck...

need hart surgery? we will put you on the list. it will take 4-7 years.

broke a bone? think the emergence rooms are bad now? the guy with the stubbed toe came first...

if u can get a full time job (probable not unless you already have one) then great. if not you will have to buy your own insurance and the penalty for not is less then actually buying it so they get there money eather way and you still wont have insurance. to bad for the poor...

rich get richer poor get poorer.

btw 30 min is up




Well that was depressing I am already poor as a mother fucker. Havent had healthcare in 5 years either. Well I had it for the past year but other than that im cautious as fuck without insurance.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: evileye001]
    #18913678 - 09/30/13 10:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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my mother had to have a infected gallbladder taken out the other day. it was in danger of killing her. you know how long to took to get her surgery? 8 hours. why? cuz of the flood of mexicans that are now legal and took all the resources of the hospital.




It's true that triage is not perfect, sometimes they prioritize wrong and someone dies waiting for care. If there is some country where this never happens I would be surprised.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: nicechrisman]
    #18913695 - 09/30/13 10:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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canada has the same policy as obama is trying to imply.




It really doesn't, Obamacare is far more like your previous system than it is like ours. That's why nobody can muster too much energy to defend it, it really isn't too attractive to anyone. People who think government wrecks everything it touches hate it for obvious reasons, and people who want real government healthcare like all the other first world countries enjoy realize that it's not actually providing that.




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I agree. It falls way short of the kind of healthcare I think the people of this great nation deserve. Still better than our current system IMO, but it's hard to fall from the floor.





my economies teacher told me this once.

the economy is like a spinning top on a table. let it be and it will keep spinning on its own. the governments job is when its gets to close to the edge of the table is to gently push it back in. when the government starts to clasp around it to much the top stops spinning and the economy crashes.

let the people run the country and the government keep it safe.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: psi]
    #18913700 - 09/30/13 10:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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my mother had to have a infected gallbladder taken out the other day. it was in danger of killing her. you know how long to took to get her surgery? 8 hours. why? cuz of the flood of mexicans that are now legal and took all the resources of the hospital.




It's true that triage is not perfect, sometimes they prioritize wrong and someone dies waiting for care. If there is some country where this never happens I would be surprised.





i agree.

but i feel the laws about to imply will only make this worse.


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    #18913750 - 09/30/13 10:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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The government IS the people


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    #18913812 - 09/30/13 11:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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The government IS the people




no the government is the people with the most money, power and influence.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: evileye001]
    #18913822 - 09/30/13 11:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I live in Canada, most people here are pretty happy with the health care system here.




for small stuff.

get a gash. no problem!

need a exploratory surgery? ur fucked...




That sounds exactly the same as the US :shrug:


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    #18913831 - 09/30/13 11:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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let the people run the country and the government keep it safe.



The government IS the people




no the government is the people with the most money, power and influence.




The insurance companies have a fuck of a lot of money, power and influence. Arguably they're pretty much the same as a bad government.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: psi]
    #18913899 - 09/30/13 11:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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let the people run the country and the government keep it safe.



The government IS the people




no the government is the people with the most money, power and influence.




The insurance companies have a fuck of a lot of money, power and influence. Arguably they're pretty much the same as a bad government.




cant argue with you there. you nailed it.

if you cut ur insurance cost by 3/4 the ceo's would still be in there 100,000 dollar cars (witch they deserve) but a lot more money would be left to the people.

its called a monopoly. even if there is competition you have to have it so it will be expensive cuz of greed and the if ALL the owners raise prices there is nothing you can do. same as gas.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: Enjoywho]
    #18913920 - 09/30/13 11:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Cause it will destroy our way of life.  Honestly though, I don't really give a shit about obamacare as long as I get free health care.




want a full time job? good luck...

need hart surgery? we will put you on the list. it will take 4-7 years.

broke a bone? think the emergence rooms are bad now? the guy with the stubbed toe came first...

if u can get a full time job (probable not unless you already have one) then great. if not you will have to buy your own insurance and the penalty for not is less then actually buying it so they get there money eather way and you still wont have insurance. to bad for the poor...

rich get richer poor get poorer.

btw 30 min is up



Wrong, Dumb, Wrong, Wrong, What?, Wrong. It's like all you've been watching for the last month straight are the anti-obamacare scare commercials. All of that is just scaremongering conjecture, made up bullshit by people who really can't take another political defeat.


-The ACA does not give everyone free health care. It attempts to make healthcare affordable for everyone, thus: affordable care act.

-One of the first implemented provisions was to extend coverage of children on their parent's plans til the age of 26, many people are enjoying that benefit already today.

-The law forces the insurance company to use a high percentage of the money you pay to them for actual care, not to line their pockets. It also ends life-time limits. Basically, it forces the insurance companies to give you the product you pay your entire life for instead of screwing you out of it.

-You can  not  be  denied  for  pre-existing  conditions.  If your child is born with a heart defect, you still can get insurance for him instead of selling the farm to keep him alive.

-To prevent people from simply buying insurance when they get sick, there is the individual mandate: Everyone must buy insurance.  *This also solves the problem of how to pay for the probable larger amount of care undertaken, more money in the pot, more to go around. *This also solves the problem of the uninsured clogging emergency services, everyone has coverage, and their care is planned for and paid.


These are major real issues that affect people every day that are being worked on. The bill isn't perfect but at least we're trying something. You pay for these problems no matter what, at least this way we'll see some positive change.  But of course we have to drag you into a better future kicking and screaming, as usual.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: Lynnch]
    #18914001 - 10/01/13 12:09 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Cause it will destroy our way of life.  Honestly though, I don't really give a shit about obamacare as long as I get free health care.




want a full time job? good luck...

need hart surgery? we will put you on the list. it will take 4-7 years.

broke a bone? think the emergence rooms are bad now? the guy with the stubbed toe came first...

if u can get a full time job (probable not unless you already have one) then great. if not you will have to buy your own insurance and the penalty for not is less then actually buying it so they get there money eather way and you still wont have insurance. to bad for the poor...

rich get richer poor get poorer.

btw 30 min is up



Wrong, Dumb, Wrong, Wrong, What?, Wrong. It's like all you've been watching for the last month straight are the anti-obamacare scare commercials. All of that is just scaremongering conjecture, made up bullshit by people who really can't take another political defeat.


-The ACA does not give everyone free health care. It attempts to make healthcare affordable for everyone, thus: affordable care act.

-One of the first implemented provisions was to extend coverage of children on their parent's plans til the age of 26, many people are enjoying that benefit already today.

-The law forces the insurance company to use a high percentage of the money you pay to them for actual care, not to line their pockets. It also ends life-time limits. Basically, it forces the insurance companies to give you the product you pay your entire life for instead of screwing you out of it.

-You can  not  be  denied  for  pre-existing  conditions.  If your child is born with a heart defect, you still can get insurance for him instead of selling the farm to keep him alive.

-To prevent people from simply buying insurance when they get sick, there is the individual mandate: Everyone must buy insurance.  *This also solves the problem of how to pay for the probable larger amount of care undertaken, more money in the pot, more to go around. *This also solves the problem of the uninsured clogging emergency services, everyone has coverage, and their care is planned for and paid.


These are major real issues that affect people every day that are being worked on. The bill isn't perfect but at least we're trying something. You pay for these problems no matter what, at least this way we'll see some positive change.  But of course we have to drag you into a better future kicking and screaming, as usual.




1.

cost will still be guite high if you have no job or a part time job. any big business can give only part time jobs if they wish and not provide you with health care as a result.
2.

this is not a bad implemant but the inshurace companys could implement this now with little to no noticeabel difference in there life stile/spending budget. but when numbers dont mater any more, to the people on the bottom they mean everything.


3.

yes health care company's screw you. the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. but if we could rip the power and money out of there monopoly busnes then they would be forced to provided the best service at the cheapest price and this would not be a problem in the first place.

4.

people with the most power and  money ( witch should be the people who can advance there wealth out of entrepreneurism and not have deals to keep every bodys prices high since the people have to have it.) should have the advantage of health care. sorry i beleave that a hard worker deserves it over a crack head.


5.

even with this law most people will have to buy there insurance. if you are not a full time employe then you must provide your own health care. it will actually be cheaper to not buy it and pay the penalty.

there is enough money in the pot now. if the top 5 percent wealth took one zero out of there annual salary they would not notice a change in lifestyle and would be more then enough to give the lowest workers enough to live and buy there necessary needs such as insurances.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: evileye001]
    #18914031 - 10/01/13 12:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I work full time and my employer has really good insurance.
All I want to know is Obamacare going to make my cheap ass employer even cheaper or fuck with my insurance?


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    #18914042 - 10/01/13 12:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I work full time and my employer has really good insurance.
All I want to know is Obamacare going to make my cheap ass employer even cheaper or fuck with my insurance?




yep. as long as they dont fire you or force you to be a part time employe. good for you. but it fucks every body else!


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    #18914044 - 10/01/13 12:22 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: Shroomism]
    #18914061 - 10/01/13 12:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Look, if you make 10k a year, you can either take the dirt cheap $180 a yr/plan or pay the $100 fine. If you've got 100 bucks, you've got 200. If you really really can't afford it, there are subsides. If you're fucking broke, you can get on medicaid like you would anyway.
I'm normally the one in here talking about the rich getting richer, and the poor getting poorer. But bottom line, when this bill goes into effect, the 48 Million people who are uninsured in this country become insured. These problems don't fix themselves. Those companies don't extend coverage out of the good of their hearts, the rich don't give money to the poor because they just feel like it, we have to make them do it.

As far as I can tell, if you already have insurance, pretty much nothing will change.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: evileye001]
    #18914063 - 10/01/13 12:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The ACA is not a magical goodies creator. Certain people are going to take a financial hit, that much is for certain. The hope is that more people (especially young or in poverty) will become enfranchised in the health care system before potentially developing serious chronic illnesses that could have been prevented or mitigated with treatment and easing the burden on the system of emergency care. In the short term, many people will be confused by the individual mandate; that's why high-ranking dems are putting so much effort into publicizing the kind of premiums low earners can get under the new rules. High earners who aren't venture capitalists, politicians or professors will have to deal with more stringent policies regarding coverage for their employees, while health care will become much cheaper for low earners; but ideally, in the long run, everybody will benefit from the larger economic impact of the bill as reduced demand for high-end and emergency medical services will drive down their price. Ideally.

At least, that's the impression I get of the whole scheme. I'm no economist. All I know is that something needs to be done about the price of health services, so I'm kind of in favor of the ACA by default. Name one thing Ted Cruz has done to ease the gross burden of health coverage prices for the people who need it most. :shrug:


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    #18914067 - 10/01/13 12:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Evileye LOVES trying to prove people wrong.

He tried to argue that steam is hotter than water, so I'm not sure I would trust his opinion on why "Obamacare" is such a terrible law.


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    #18914084 - 10/01/13 12:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Evileye LOVES trying to prove people wrong.

He tried to argue that steam is hotter than water, so I'm not sure I would trust his opinion on why "Obamacare" is such a terrible law.



Steam is hotter than water


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    #18914104 - 10/01/13 12:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I think the economic effects could be very far reaching and beneficial.
What if the entire housing crisis (economic collapse) was caused be people defaulting on their loans because they couldn't pay for hospital bills and would have been averted if they had had insurance...


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #18914111 - 10/01/13 12:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

He spells heart "hart" and spells does "dose" but says he was in honors which is a lie.

He says "You think I was in honors English because I could spell?"

Yeah im sure he aced all of his classes spelling at a 3rd grade level :lol:

Hes obviously an underage mentally challenged kid.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: NotTheDevil] * 1
    #18914113 - 10/01/13 12:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

Mush4Brains said:
Evileye LOVES trying to prove people wrong.

He tried to argue that steam is hotter than water, so I'm not sure I would trust his opinion on why "Obamacare" is such a terrible law.



Steam is hotter than water



if they are both within the same system with identical pressure then yes :sun:


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: NotTheDevil]
    #18914117 - 10/01/13 12:44 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Evileye LOVES trying to prove people wrong.

He tried to argue that steam is hotter than water, so I'm not sure I would trust his opinion on why "Obamacare" is such a terrible law.



Quote:

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Quote:

Mush4Brains said:
Evileye LOVES trying to prove people wrong.

He tried to argue that steam if hotter than water, so I'm not sure I would trust his opinion on why "Obamacare" is such a terrible law.



Steam is hotter than water




:laugh2:

thank you for finally shutting that dude up.

should we make a thread of is steam hotter then water mush4brains?


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    #18914119 - 10/01/13 12:44 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I've felt liquid water hotter than clouds. Therefore, I hereby declare evileye001's intellectual credibility NULL AND VOID! :courtjudge:


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 2
    #18914126 - 10/01/13 12:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Clouds are not so much steam as they are millions of water droplets or water crystals :wink:


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: evileye001]
    #18914188 - 10/01/13 01:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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go for it i dare you. one reason at a time.

on a side note this country is no longer a democracy. when did the people loose the power?

so why is obamacare a good idea?

:nocomment:




Name all your reasons why obamacare is a bad idea.

Go for it i dare you. One reason at a time.

On a side note this burger topped with sriracha sauce is no longer spicy. When did this sauce lose its heat?

So why is obamacare a bad idea?

:awkwardglance:




more mocking!!!

it would take a few hours but i could do that for you if u wanted.


that wasn't mocking. this is mocking.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: Chowder963]
    #18914226 - 10/01/13 01:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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He spells heart "hart" and spells does "dose" but says he was in honors which is a lie.

He says "You think I was in honors English because I could spell?"

Yeah im sure he aced all of his classes spelling at a 3rd grade level :lol:

Hes obviously an underage mentally challenged kid.





im not usualy mean but up yours.

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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: NWlight]
    #18914227 - 10/01/13 01:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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NotTheDevil said:
Quote:

Mush4Brains said:
Evileye LOVES trying to prove people wrong.

He tried to argue that steam is hotter than water, so I'm not sure I would trust his opinion on why "Obamacare" is such a terrible law.



Steam is hotter than water




Quote:

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Quote:

NotTheDevil said:
Quote:

Mush4Brains said:
Evileye LOVES trying to prove people wrong.

He tried to argue that steam is hotter than water, so I'm not sure I would trust his opinion on why "Obamacare" is such a terrible law.



Steam is hotter than water



if they are both within the same system with identical pressure then yes :sun:





Sorry, I meant he tried saying steam is hotter than boiling water.


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    #18914235 - 10/01/13 01:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It can be, in fact the boiling is bubbles of water vapor that have formed on a nucleation point because the water has become hotter than water can become


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    #18914242 - 10/01/13 01:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Lol a diploma doesnt prove you were in honors, tons of people have diplomas and are idiots. I have one and it was easy.

^^ to the person above me, yes of course steam is hotter than boiling water. Water can only be so hot.. If it becomes too hot it becomes steam..


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    #18914244 - 10/01/13 01:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

FUCK obama and his stupid ass obamacare.  all their doing is forcing us to waste our money.  watch, one day the government will attack us and millions will have to pay for their attacks.

sure, healthcare is good to have but its the fucking fact that i have to be forced to pay for this shit. where the fuck is our freedom going?! 

maybe it is a good thing.. maybe they think itll get people working again..

then why not just legalize marijuana and create billions of jobs :facepalm:

fuck this government man, I can't wait until it collapses.  I hope this "government shutdown" shit is forever.  but it wont be because us citizens couldnt be that lucky.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #18914246 - 10/01/13 01:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I've felt liquid water hotter than clouds. Therefore, I hereby declare evileye001's intellectual credibility NULL AND VOID! :courtjudge:




Steam is hotter than boiling water because once the water reaches 212 degrees, it changes form. It becomes steam. If steam is pressurized and contained, such as in a teapot, so that it stays as steam, it can get to as hot as 700 degrees.

Steam. The reason for this is water boils at the temperature of 212 degrees F. Steam can be heated to much higher temperatures than that. Some engines that are water cooled has steam at temperatures of over 700 degrees. Water basically becomes a plasma at this temperature.

Steam is usually 100 degrees celsius. If you took chemistry, you will know that there is no temperature change during a phase change. However after the phase change has occurred the steam can keep increasing in temperature. that is why your hand will burn quicker and more severely in steam than in boiling water. This is because steam has more energy, and the def of temp is average Kinetic energy. there you have it, steam does have more temp than boiling water.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: evileye001]
    #18914252 - 10/01/13 01:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

explain why the Obamacare system is a bad thing, outline the details you wanna make clear, so i can make a distinction of what the hell it is this threads about.


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    #18914253 - 10/01/13 01:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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It can be, in fact the boiling is bubbles of water vapor that have formed on a nucleation point because the water has become hotter than water can become




:facepalm3:

Steam is gas H2O that is 212*F at standard pressure
Boiling water is liquid H2O that is 212*F at standard pressure

Steam has more energy, it is not hotter.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18914261 - 10/01/13 01:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:facepalm:
once the water has become steam it can absorb more heat from its environment


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    #18914272 - 10/01/13 01:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Lol a diploma doesnt prove you were in honors, tons of people have diplomas and are idiots. I have one and it was easy.

^^ to the person above me, yes of course steam is hotter than boiling water. Water can only be so hot.. If it becomes too hot it becomes steam..




sorry mush4brains:awepreciation:

and dont be mad im not a 3rd grader. i dont talk up myself, sorry i cant go to my high school and get my transcript right now


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    #18914274 - 10/01/13 01:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

There is actually an enthalpy of phase change. Once the boiling water has absorbed enough entropic energy to free itself of the liquid state, it becomes a gas. Once the intramolecular bonds of water have been totally severed, such high entropy is no longer necessary to maintain it in that state and thus it is totally possible for steam to be colder than water.

I've taken general chemistry! :flowstone:


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    #18914278 - 10/01/13 01:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:glittershitz:

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    #18914285 - 10/01/13 01:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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once the water has become steam it can absorb more heat from its environment




So steam isn't hotter than boiling water until you superheat it :facepalm:, which is something that was never brought into the discussion.  Whether or not steam can be superheated was never the argument, steam is not inherently hotter than boiling water.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18914291 - 10/01/13 01:44 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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There is actually an enthalpy of phase change. Once the boiling water has absorbed enough entropic energy to free itself of the liquid state, it becomes a gas. Once the intramolecular bonds of water have been totally severed, such high entropy is no longer necessary to maintain it in that state and thus it is totally possible for steam to be colder than water.

I've taken general chemistry! :flowstone:



and yet it is often hotter, also
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:facepalm:
once the water has become steam it can absorb more heat from its environment




So steam isn't hotter than boiling water until you superheat it :facepalm:, which is something that was never brought into the discussion.  Whether or not steam can be superheated was never the argument, steam is not inherently hotter than boiling water.



and the heat from the pot bottom and the light pressure from the water around it make it hotter


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    #18914298 - 10/01/13 01:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:jacked:


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    #18914299 - 10/01/13 01:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

good lord.

If water and steam are in an isolated system then the temperature of steam will exceed the temperature of the water.

IN EVERY CASE.


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    #18914307 - 10/01/13 01:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

This thread is full of politics and hot air steam


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    #18914311 - 10/01/13 01:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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good lord.

If water and steam are in an isolated system then the temperature of steam will exceed the temperature of the water.

IN EVERY CASE.





Steam will have more energy, but will be the same exact temperature.


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    #18914317 - 10/01/13 01:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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good lord.

If water and steam are in an isolated system then the temperature of steam will exceed the temperature of the water.

IN EVERY CASE.





Steam will have more energy, but will be the same exact temperature.




In case it still isn't clear, Temperature is a measure of the AVERAGE kinetic energy of of the water molecules involved.


Kinetic energy is approximately equal to 0.5(mass)(velocity)^2


Steam molecules are travelling MUCH faster than liquid water molecules, primarily due to the lack of hydrogen bonding and dipole-dipole attractive forces between the water molecules

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    #18914327 - 10/01/13 01:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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This thread is full of politics and hot air steam





LOL

and

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good lord.

If water and steam are in an isolated system then the temperature of steam will exceed the temperature of the water.

IN EVERY CASE.


Quote:

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:jacked:



:smirk:




i thread jacked it myself if you read it.

me n mush4brains have had this debate for a while. it made me want to debate it with him. cuz i know im right.


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    #18914332 - 10/01/13 01:57 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

can steam get hotter then water thread.


http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18914316

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    #18914336 - 10/01/13 01:57 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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    #18914358 - 10/01/13 02:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

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In case it still isn't clear, Temperature is a measure of the AVERAGE kinetic energy of of the water molecules involved.

Kinetic energy is approximately equal to 0.5(mass)(velocity)^2

Steam molecules are travelling MUCH faster than liquid water molecules, primarily due to the lack of hydrogen bonding and dipole-dipole attractive forces between the water molecules

:blewmeanie:




So you're saying that ice, water, and steam that can exist at the triple point of water are all going to be different temperatures too?  :lolsy:


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    #18914363 - 10/01/13 02:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

How would you feel if I was completely making shit up :rofl:

it sounded right, didn't it? big words and all?


The argument that water and steam are different temperatures comes from the misunderstanding of latent heat.

you win, Mush4brains :grin:

OP loses :thumbdown:



for anyone still confused, check out this graph. 

Phase changes of matter happen during the plateaus, where temperature is constant.



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Oh my god im so hard right now.


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    #18914370 - 10/01/13 02:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18705913/fpart/1

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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: Chowder963]
    #18914371 - 10/01/13 02:09 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Please address all water based questions to the proper thread, goondnight all


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: NotTheDevil]
    #18914373 - 10/01/13 02:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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NotTheDevil said:
Please address all water based questions to the proper thread, goondnight all



:asianofapproval:


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: nicechrisman]
    #18914382 - 10/01/13 02:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18914316

new thread.

i will repost till this is resolved.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18914386 - 10/01/13 02:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

NWlight said:
How would you feel if I was completely making shit up :rofl:

it sounded right, didn't it? big words and all?


The argument that water and steam are different temperatures comes from the misunderstanding of latent heat.

you win, Mush4brains :grin:

OP loses :thumbdown:



for anyone still confused, check out this graph. 

Phase changes of matter happen during the plateaus, where temperature is constant.



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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: evileye001]
    #18914388 - 10/01/13 02:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:lolcat:


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18914393 - 10/01/13 02:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Mush4Brains said:
I hate you so much.



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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: NWlight]
    #18914584 - 10/01/13 04:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Silverbrooks heights?


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: Fire is Born]
    #18914769 - 10/01/13 06:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Fuck I read it all:facepalm:.  Just fucking wow.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #18914777 - 10/01/13 06:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
The people never were in control. We started off accepting at only rich white landowning males could vote. I think youre the one who needs some facts.





lol... religious/political refugees and a few penal colonies... I guess they were so wealthy


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: evileye001]
    #18914821 - 10/01/13 06:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

evileye001 said:


im not usualy mean but up yours.

dont be a ass




Posting your real name on here seems like kind of a bad idea.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: psi]
    #18914830 - 10/01/13 06:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Is it because he's black?  :blackface:


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: fapjack]
    #18915087 - 10/01/13 08:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

fapjack said:
Cause it will destroy our way of life.  Honestly though, I don't really give a shit about obamacare as long as I get free health care.





You will not get free health care under obamacare, you will pay, and it will be compulsory.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: lowbrow]
    #18915478 - 10/01/13 10:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I won't believe that OP went to high school until I see his original, full-form birth certificate with nothing scribbled out.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: Romi]
    #18915491 - 10/01/13 10:34 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Romi said:
Is it because he's black?  :blackface:




The OP does not appear to be black from that picture. Or were you talking about Obama?

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I won't believe that OP went to high school until I see his original, full-form birth certificate with nothing scribbled out.




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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #18915569 - 10/01/13 10:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
The people never were in control. We started off accepting at only rich white landowning males could vote. I think youre the one who needs some facts.





lol... religious/political refugees and a few penal colonies... I guess they were so wealthy





You talking about the pilgrims? Or the plantation owners that actually constructed the country over a century later?


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: The Ecstatic] * 2
    #23566424 - 08/22/16 03:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

One good reason is coverage for preexisting conditions.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: Brian Jones]
    #23566495 - 08/22/16 04:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Brian Jones said:
One good reason is coverage for preexisting conditions.





that was great for the people with preexisting conditions but the young, healthy
people that would have subsidized those folks opted to pay the small fines instead
and because of this the insurance companies started losing shitloads of cash,
without the revenue stream they should have had they would have been forced to go
out of business and several insurance companies have subsequently withdrawn from
obamacare, many other have cut off all but a few hundred counties


now those with preexisting conditions will not get any coverage when before
obamacare they only had to pay a larger premium for coverage


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23566508 - 08/22/16 04:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I was on the state policy for the uninsurable before obamacare.  It was better i paid less.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23567939 - 08/23/16 12:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

Brian Jones said:
One good reason is coverage for preexisting conditions.





that was great for the people with preexisting conditions but the young, healthy
people that would have subsidized those folks opted to pay the small fines instead
and because of this the insurance companies started losing shitloads of cash,
without the revenue stream they should have had they would have been forced to go
out of business and several insurance companies have subsequently withdrawn from
obamacare, many other have cut off all but a few hundred counties


now those with preexisting conditions will not get any coverage when before
obamacare they only had to pay a larger premium for coverage



so that was a temporary win now "fixed" by our healthcare providers. i really don't see how you justify unobtainable by saying "higher premiums" 4k a month is not healthcare that is robbery, hence no one enrolling in them.

remind me again why healthcare has to make people money rather than actually care for people's well being?


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
    #23568075 - 08/23/16 03:05 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

ReposadoXochipilli said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

Brian Jones said:
One good reason is coverage for preexisting conditions.





that was great for the people with preexisting conditions but the young, healthy
people that would have subsidized those folks opted to pay the small fines instead
and because of this the insurance companies started losing shitloads of cash,
without the revenue stream they should have had they would have been forced to go
out of business and several insurance companies have subsequently withdrawn from
obamacare, many other have cut off all but a few hundred counties


now those with preexisting conditions will not get any coverage when before
obamacare they only had to pay a larger premium for coverage



so that was a temporary win now "fixed" by our healthcare providers. i really don't see how you justify unobtainable by saying "higher premiums" 4k a month is not healthcare that is robbery, hence no one enrolling in them.





so you decided you could go without insurance but then contracted cancer, seeing
as how you couldnt cover the tens of thousands in treatment you figured it would
be a great time to try and get insured. seems to me like you're trying to scam the
insurance companies into paying for your bad decisions


Quote:

remind me again why healthcare has to make people money rather than actually care for people's well being?





because it's not my responsibility to take care of you. you're welcome to try and
find a doctor that will fix you up in exchange for a couple of pigs and a goat


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23568515 - 08/23/16 09:06 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Well my federal dollars shouldnt be going into propping up your poor ass state, either, pris.

But here we are. Living in a democratic society.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23568585 - 08/23/16 09:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

Brian Jones said:
One good reason is coverage for preexisting conditions.





that was great for the people with preexisting conditions but the young, healthy
people that would have subsidized those folks opted to pay the small fines instead
and because of this the insurance companies started losing shitloads of cash,
without the revenue stream they should have had they would have been forced to go
out of business and several insurance companies have subsequently withdrawn from
obamacare, many other have cut off all but a few hundred counties


now those with preexisting conditions will not get any coverage when before
obamacare they only had to pay a larger premium for coverage



So make the penalties higher for opting out. These premiums for young people are very low and are calculated by actuaries who are much brighter than you or I in accordance with their likely hood of needing care. Obama and everyone involved made it no secret that this was a huge part of affordable care working.

Bottom line is...if someone who opted out of the coverage gets  some severe illness that may require months in the hospital...WE will wind up paying for anyway after all the litigation that was required when he snubbed the hospital bills. The Fed gov't will re-imburse the hospitals based on whatever waiver is required.

The emergency room scenario where anyone who gets sick and doesn't have insurance goes... was sucking up huge amounts of cash from taxpayers...A visit that would cost $50.00 at a normal care physician, instead costs into the thousands because emergency rooms were never designed for this. Low income people with insurance can now go to the drs. office as should be.

This was one of the biggest reasons for affordable care...My ex is an attorney that works for the fed gov't. She worked in the waiver area where states would ask for money to accommodate their losses. Millions upon millions of dollars were and still are wasted on this.

Affordable care is not perfect, but rarely is anything as all-encompassing as this. It still needs tweaking but will work people need to try to move forward with solutions rather than backwards with vitriol like has been the way the last several years.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #23568652 - 08/23/16 09:59 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Without knowing the facts, obamacare is good because of the name itself.

The letters themselves fit well together. The word is easy on the eyes because of all the vowels, it sounds friendly and it has the surname of a president in it so that has to count for something.

Something good or something bad, who knows, call the obamaphone and find out.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: LobsterSauce]
    #23568816 - 08/23/16 10:57 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

ReposadoXochipilli said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

Brian Jones said:
One good reason is coverage for preexisting conditions.





that was great for the people with preexisting conditions but the young, healthy
people that would have subsidized those folks opted to pay the small fines instead
and because of this the insurance companies started losing shitloads of cash,
without the revenue stream they should have had they would have been forced to go
out of business and several insurance companies have subsequently withdrawn from
obamacare, many other have cut off all but a few hundred counties


now those with preexisting conditions will not get any coverage when before
obamacare they only had to pay a larger premium for coverage



so that was a temporary win now "fixed" by our healthcare providers. i really don't see how you justify unobtainable by saying "higher premiums" 4k a month is not healthcare that is robbery, hence no one enrolling in them.





so you decided you could go without insurance but then contracted cancer, seeing
as how you couldnt cover the tens of thousands in treatment you figured it would
be a great time to try and get insured. seems to me like you're trying to scam the
insurance companies into paying for your bad decisions


Quote:

remind me again why healthcare has to make people money rather than actually care for people's well being?





because it's not my responsibility to take care of you. you're welcome to try and
find a doctor that will fix you up in exchange for a couple of pigs and a goat



Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

ReposadoXochipilli said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

Brian Jones said:
One good reason is coverage for preexisting conditions.





that was great for the people with preexisting conditions but the young, healthy
people that would have subsidized those folks opted to pay the small fines instead
and because of this the insurance companies started losing shitloads of cash,
without the revenue stream they should have had they would have been forced to go
out of business and several insurance companies have subsequently withdrawn from
obamacare, many other have cut off all but a few hundred counties


now those with preexisting conditions will not get any coverage when before
obamacare they only had to pay a larger premium for coverage



so that was a temporary win now "fixed" by our healthcare providers. i really don't see how you justify unobtainable by saying "higher premiums" 4k a month is not healthcare that is robbery, hence no one enrolling in them.





so you decided you could go without insurance but then contracted cancer, seeing
as how you couldnt cover the tens of thousands in treatment you figured it would
be a great time to try and get insured. seems to me like you're trying to scam the
insurance companies into paying for your bad decisions


Quote:

remind me again why healthcare has to make people money rather than actually care for people's well being?





because it's not my responsibility to take care of you. you're welcome to try and
find a doctor that will fix you up in exchange for a couple of pigs and a goat




Fucking iPad erased my response. Short version. There is a personal response ability towards society if you want to participate in it.

Health crisis are often sudden and unexpected. Scamming the insurance companies would be impressive, the bean counters are very thorough and they live by the exceptions fine print.

Having a little empathy would go a long way with this situation. Look at our healthcare situation for our veterans, and elderly, that shows you how great your system is doing and how much compassion is involved in the process.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23569411 - 08/23/16 02:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
Well my federal dollars shouldnt be going into propping up your poor ass state, either, pris.

But here we are. Living in a democratic society.




you dollars arent propping me up, even when I was out of work for 5 years none of
your money benefited me, I wasnt brown enough and I dint have tits, it didnt
matter that I had 2 children, I was the wrong gender or the wrong color


what kind of society did you say we live in again?


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23569436 - 08/23/16 03:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

i think we identified your bias with this situation.


we live in a capitalist caste slave system.


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Re: name one good reason why obamacare is good and i will tell you why ur wrong. know ur facts. (30 min) [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
    #23569524 - 08/23/16 03:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I thought this thread was new then I seen chowder has posted and he has been gone forever.


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