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OfflineSprewellSleeve
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Is appearance the most discriminated against now?
    #18910932 - 09/30/13 11:41 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It's nothing new, guys with long hair, not clean shaved, people with styles that aren't "professional", have a harder time getting a job then guys who's clean cut and wears a suit and girls who wear dresses.

As I think most in The Shroomery community would agree, it's discrimination. Your style and appearance (unless you look dirty) mean nothing as far as a person and a worker. People are brainwashed.

I have semi-long hair, longer than most guys. I decided recently that I'd refuse to cut it. At this point I think it's even wrong to put it in a ponytail and use hair products to slick it back. Unless I'm working with food, gonna be acting in a role, a photoshoot, etc., there's no good reason why I can't have the look I want.

Employers don't seem to have a problem hiring girls with short hair.

It's funny that companies say they're an equal opportunity employer, yet ask you to change who you are.

I should start/join a movement.


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Re: Is appearance the most discriminated against now? [Re: SprewellSleeve] * 1
    #18910996 - 09/30/13 11:56 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Grooming and clothing is one of many ways to convey your seriousness and your awareness of the world around you.


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Re: Is appearance the most discriminated against now? [Re: Me_Roy] * 1
    #18911010 - 09/30/13 12:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I hope that the world continues to get more and more superficial.

Take a bath ya hippies.


Edit: since everyone here likes taking me so seriously, I am clearly joking.

On a more serious note, employers get to choose the image they project to customers and clients and if they want you to not look homeless then that is their right.

Discrimination? Please....


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Re: Is appearance the most discriminated against now? [Re: SprewellSleeve]
    #18911014 - 09/30/13 12:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

If one is good in their field, appearance won't really matter, if one is just looking for a job that doesn't requite a skill set, then appearance will matter.

Who would you want representing your business and financial future? 

If you feel that your appearance is holding you back, change it.


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Re: Is appearance the most discriminated against now? [Re: qman]
    #18911114 - 09/30/13 12:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

its the fastest and most effecient way to sort out people like objects. but although if you do it in your interpersonal relationships you are going to have some shallow relations.


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Re: Is appearance the most discriminated against now? [Re: mr sniffles]
    #18911123 - 09/30/13 12:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I think it's funny that in my state jobs can't discriminate against age, but they can judge appearance.

My stretched ears have been a huge downfall in getting a job.


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Re: Is appearance the most discriminated against now? [Re: Me_Roy]
    #18911170 - 09/30/13 12:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Me_Roy said:
Grooming and clothing is one of many ways to convey your seriousness and your awareness of the world around you.




bullshit it's a fake facade.

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Re: Is appearance the most discriminated against now? [Re: qman]
    #18911183 - 09/30/13 12:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Who would you want representing your business and financial future? 






the ones who are most productive and make the most money, I don't care if they look like shit as long as they can bring in the dough.


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Re: Is appearance the most discriminated against now? [Re: Legend] * 1
    #18911184 - 09/30/13 12:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

i'm going to guess everyone complaining in this thread are white, hetero, and male


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Re: Is appearance the most discriminated against now? [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 3
    #18911270 - 09/30/13 01:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Appearance has always been a key factor to the initial judgement you have of a person. Everybody does it.

That being said, get a haircut and get a real job.


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Re: Is appearance the most discriminated against now? [Re: SprewellSleeve]
    #18911284 - 09/30/13 01:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I just cut off my 8 inch :goat: beard  yesterday:strokebeard:. I got tired of the stares and work rejections, hearing shit from my family, dipping it in my food, etc. I look SO much better, feels better, too. Still debating about cutting my shoulder length thin-ass grey old man hair, though. With a shaved head I look like

I could try this look though. I've been meaning to get some ink any way.



Then I could get two jobs.:rotfl:

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Re: Is appearance the most discriminated against now? [Re: SprewellSleeve]
    #18911308 - 09/30/13 01:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

When I was young I thought it gave me a lot of integrity to have long hair and not conform to current styles. As I've matured, I have changed my ways. It's much easier to operate within this society when you at least ACT like you are playing the game.

And most women prefer men who look well groomed and stylish.


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Re: Is appearance the most discriminated against now? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #18911321 - 09/30/13 01:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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shivas.wisdom said:
i'm going to guess everyone complaining in this thread are white, hetero, and male





For real. I have long hair and I'm Hispanic and Russian Its about how you carry yourself and how charming you can be. I've never not gotten a girls number nor have not gotten a job I have applied for


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Re: Is appearance the most discriminated against now? [Re: dark3st]
    #18911323 - 09/30/13 01:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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    #18911446 - 09/30/13 02:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I'm pretty sure that appearance has always been the first thing that would cause discrimination or at the least curiosity, throughout time. It's only natural


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Re: Is appearance the most discriminated against now? [Re: SprewellSleeve]
    #18911463 - 09/30/13 02:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yes most companies do expect a certain manner of dress, perhaps in some ways expecting you to not disarrange the product of assembling for that dress, for that occasion to be received in a general "business like manner".

Since you would have to attend to this business transaction and naturally know beforehand that you were expected to act a certain way, now some people will act completely different than how you should on a job interview, and you can see that the boss will look at you and discern in this person something he particularly disagrees with, and in some ways you can notice is scorning you with a look of someone persecuting a man who has committed a harsh felony and must be apprehended, and that is why most people usually won't act in a manner that would suggest acting without needed prudence to deal with things, those whom would readily abandon this usually won't get the job, or the boss will declare "they hadn't deserved the position they had been recently endowed, or may even suggest that before they got there they had been looking for someone other than they, that is, were looking for a specific sort that they would place in a category of being "agreeable".

I used to work for a boss that was always on my back, he never let me alone, he couldn't let me be without placing heavy tasks on me without thinking of me, he would know that I was his best worker, and was always the guy to rely on when you needed something, but there was something about me that he didn't like. Ofcourse, being one of the greatest heroes of the ages, and one whom composed an epic poem in the year 1500 which was placed in the middle of the town and appreciated for being a sanctuary worthy of worship for past achievements, and whom would never return to the year 2013 in order to be integrated into the present moment. Since, when we find ourselves living in an age otherwise contrary to the age we are actually living in,

we do not act as if we are in this era, but as if we just came back in time from a much earlier period, perhaps you may say you go back to France, you choose France because its your best friend, and you have been wanting to get there all along without acknowledging "this". Now because I know other people that also live in France that accompany from the past back to the present, and that will always get on my transformer machine that will take you back to Paris 1500, where I would watch a "certain" "French" artiste create monumental masterpieces worthy of praise in a later year, since, showing such a relative assured way of crafting his sentences, and in some ways applying a texture which was wholly absorbing, and which had actually Entranced a certain queen of England.

The queen had become so absorbed in the name of the famous painter that composed the greatest composition of history ever made, and which she would show a natural agreement to everyone whom also praised it, saying that if you didn't see a greatness in it you were probably looking at something else, that you weren't looking hard enough, perhaps next time to try harder and you may encompass this greatness, allow it to "soak" in. When I returned from the past I noticed there were people trying to stop me from getting back into the moment, there were people purposely trying to thwart my movements and to stop me from going back, they wanted me to stay back in the year 1500 and never return. My friend had been let back to the year we are in while I remained in France, I didn't get to be released until my mother called and requested that I please be allowed to return to now, and feeling appreciative of her being so kind and requesting, said that she should call them at a later date and request to get my other friend I met there to leave also. Now in France I always received invitations to the richer dinner parties, and even though

I would frequently discover that the owner of the party didn't originally wish for me to be present, and actually said that he sent it to someone other than who was suppose to receive it. These were parties that would never be held in a day like now, noone would ever hold these kind of parties since they had a certain distinction, a distinct flavor that was almost adhesive to the people occupying that party, so while they never would host them here they would instead choose France to be the chosen location to have them. Since I was also not the kind of person to decide to attend a party I couldn't condone as being apart of my "lot", and in some ways denying every offer to join any other party other than the ones I decided, and which, to some extent excluded ever meeting people at parties other than the ones I knew of. I could not attend a party with a bunch of people I had not acknowledged as being "charming", or showing me the respect I felt I deserved, since, despite myself being so kind and benevolent they would act in a manner which suggested malevolence I couldn't condone, and wouldn't accept as my own. Would infact, try to push it off me so I didn't have to deal with it, so it was no longer mine but someone elses problem.

My brother was the same way, he only knew aristocrats, and in some ways he only sought to form connections with those who were in the know and could tell him things he needed to know, he knew that the aristocrats would inform him of everything he ever needed. There were certain less reputable people trying to form a certain bond with a very respectable patron of the arts whom never associated with them, and indeed, he said that he had never wished to form this connection with him, that they were entirely different in every way and he never wished to be affiliated with anything related to him, ever again. In some ways we realize the things which previously haven't been alluded to by predictions which would seem to resemble manifesting some sort of omen, some sort of prediction of impending doom approaching, which might equate to abandoning former factors which didn't suppose that doom would manifest, and didn't suspect it coming in anway at all, infact, you may say it completely went over the crowds head, or in some way, didn't go through in a way that made him happy.

He hadn't felt understood in some ways and wanted to clarify on his method of expression, and despite those indicating he wasn't explaining it to them in sufficient terms, nonetheless didn't urge him to explain it any longer, to forget completely about it, to gently urge me to "never think of it again", to, instead of acknowledging it as something which frustrated me and made me realize an inner reflection of my own was providing me with the narrative of my own life, and in some ways he was reading everything I did, every way I moved was related in a way that suggested that someone was observing, that there was an outsider that was apparent but was viewing, though in a way that seemed to present itself as not viewing it, since he never saw anything, or if he saw anything it wasn't really anything but gave the appearance of something, and even if it was something that he hadn't ever encountered before but still acknowledged as existing, would try to refrain from discussing it to others, or only to certain people he would talk to, ones that wouldn't judge him so unfairly. His brother recently told him that he wasn't ever going back to France, that he was going to decide to live in America for ever. But his girlfriedn did decide to return to France, and she also was meeting someone there in a week who had been there for a year, and who lived in an apartment that let them snooze there for free. There mother also lived across the street, but she lived in an ince cream truck. And her brother lived in a studio where he recorded music, music which he never played, since he never thought he was that good, but despite knowing this still played.


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Re: Is appearance the most discriminated against now? [Re: drkkenny] * 3
    #18911780 - 09/30/13 03:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Is appearance the most discriminated against now? [Re: dark3st]
    #18911923 - 09/30/13 04:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Holy run-on sentences :facepalm:
I wish they still taught grammar like they used to.


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Re: Is appearance the most discriminated against now? [Re: pcplease]
    #18911938 - 09/30/13 04:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

drkkenny said:
Yes most companies do expect a certain manner of dress, perhaps in some ways expecting you to not disarrange the product of assembling for that dress, for that occasion to be received in a general "business like manner".

Since you would have to attend to this business transaction and naturally know beforehand that you were expected to act a certain way, now some people will act completely different than how you should on a job interview, and you can see that the boss will look at you and discern in this person something he particularly disagrees with, and in some ways you can notice is scorning you with a look of someone persecuting a man who has committed a harsh felony and must be apprehended, and that is why most people usually won't act in a manner that would suggest acting without needed prudence to deal with things, those whom would readily abandon this usually won't get the job, or the boss will declare "they hadn't deserved the position they had been recently endowed, or may even suggest that before they got there they had been looking for someone other than they, that is, were looking for a specific sort that they would place in a category of being "agreeable".

I used to work for a boss that was always on my back, he never let me alone, he couldn't let me be without placing heavy tasks on me without thinking of me, he would know that I was his best worker, and was always the guy to rely on when you needed something, but there was something about me that he didn't like. Ofcourse, being one of the greatest heroes of the ages, and one whom composed an epic poem in the year 1500 which was placed in the middle of the town and appreciated for being a sanctuary worthy of worship for past achievements, and whom would never return to the year 2013 in order to be integrated into the present moment. Since, when we find ourselves living in an age otherwise contrary to the age we are actually living in,

we do not act as if we are in this era, but as if we just came back in time from a much earlier period, perhaps you may say you go back to France, you choose France because its your best friend, and you have been wanting to get there all along without acknowledging "this". Now because I know other people that also live in France that accompany from the past back to the present, and that will always get on my transformer machine that will take you back to Paris 1500, where I would watch a "certain" "French" artiste create monumental masterpieces worthy of praise in a later year, since, showing such a relative assured way of crafting his sentences, and in some ways applying a texture which was wholly absorbing, and which had actually Entranced a certain queen of England.

The queen had become so absorbed in the name of the famous painter that composed the greatest composition of history ever made, and which she would show a natural agreement to everyone whom also praised it, saying that if you didn't see a greatness in it you were probably looking at something else, that you weren't looking hard enough, perhaps next time to try harder and you may encompass this greatness, allow it to "soak" in. When I returned from the past I noticed there were people trying to stop me from getting back into the moment, there were people purposely trying to thwart my movements and to stop me from going back, they wanted me to stay back in the year 1500 and never return. My friend had been let back to the year we are in while I remained in France, I didn't get to be released until my mother called and requested that I please be allowed to return to now, and feeling appreciative of her being so kind and requesting, said that she should call them at a later date and request to get my other friend I met there to leave also. Now in France I always received invitations to the richer dinner parties, and even though

I would frequently discover that the owner of the party didn't originally wish for me to be present, and actually said that he sent it to someone other than who was suppose to receive it. These were parties that would never be held in a day like now, noone would ever hold these kind of parties since they had a certain distinction, a distinct flavor that was almost adhesive to the people occupying that party, so while they never would host them here they would instead choose France to be the chosen location to have them. Since I was also not the kind of person to decide to attend a party I couldn't condone as being apart of my "lot", and in some ways denying every offer to join any other party other than the ones I decided, and which, to some extent excluded ever meeting people at parties other than the ones I knew of. I could not attend a party with a bunch of people I had not acknowledged as being "charming", or showing me the respect I felt I deserved, since, despite myself being so kind and benevolent they would act in a manner which suggested malevolence I couldn't condone, and wouldn't accept as my own. Would infact, try to push it off me so I didn't have to deal with it, so it was no longer mine but someone elses problem.

My brother was the same way, he only knew aristocrats, and in some ways he only sought to form connections with those who were in the know and could tell him things he needed to know, he knew that the aristocrats would inform him of everything he ever needed. There were certain less reputable people trying to form a certain bond with a very respectable patron of the arts whom never associated with them, and indeed, he said that he had never wished to form this connection with him, that they were entirely different in every way and he never wished to be affiliated with anything related to him, ever again. In some ways we realize the things which previously haven't been alluded to by predictions which would seem to resemble manifesting some sort of omen, some sort of prediction of impending doom approaching, which might equate to abandoning former factors which didn't suppose that doom would manifest, and didn't suspect it coming in anway at all, infact, you may say it completely went over the crowds head, or in some way, didn't go through in a way that made him happy.

He hadn't felt understood in some ways and wanted to clarify on his method of expression, and despite those indicating he wasn't explaining it to them in sufficient terms, nonetheless didn't urge him to explain it any longer, to forget completely about it, to gently urge me to "never think of it again", to, instead of acknowledging it as something which frustrated me and made me realize an inner reflection of my own was providing me with the narrative of my own life, and in some ways he was reading everything I did, every way I moved was related in a way that suggested that someone was observing, that there was an outsider that was apparent but was viewing, though in a way that seemed to present itself as not viewing it, since he never saw anything, or if he saw anything it wasn't really anything but gave the appearance of something, and even if it was something that he hadn't ever encountered before but still acknowledged as existing, would try to refrain from discussing it to others, or only to certain people he would talk to, ones that wouldn't judge him so unfairly. His brother recently told him that he wasn't ever going back to France, that he was going to decide to live in America for ever. But his girlfriedn did decide to return to France, and she also was meeting someone there in a week who had been there for a year, and who lived in an apartment that let them snooze there for free. There mother also lived across the street, but she lived in an ince cream truck. And her brother lived in a studio where he recorded music, music which he never played, since he never thought he was that good, but despite knowing this still played.



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Holy run-on sentences :facepalm:
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Re: Is appearance the most discriminated against now? [Re: Shins]
    #18911961 - 09/30/13 04:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Shins said:
Quote:

Me_Roy said:
Grooming and clothing is one of many ways to convey your seriousness and your awareness of the world around you.




bullshit it's a fake facade.

Substance over style any day, I'm tired of all the empty suits.




What does that even mean? You mean the guys who wear suits and get the job because you refuse to conform? Good luck with that I always dress nice to interviews. Ive always been hired on the spot :rofl: :shrug:


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