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What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down?
    #18910681 - 09/30/13 10:29 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

What the hell? Like you guys will be sending home all the federal workers? With or without pay?

Why? To save money?

How did this happen?


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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: Patlal]
    #18910694 - 09/30/13 10:31 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

What's happening?


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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: Legend]
    #18910709 - 09/30/13 10:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I read this earlier:

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2013/09/us-government-brink-shutdown-2013929211948678989.html

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The US government is hours away from a partial shutdown, its first in nearly two decades, with Republican and Democratic lawmakers trading blame over who is responsible.

Congress was closed on Sunday after an early-morning vote in the Republican-run House of Representatives to delay key parts of President Barack Obama's healthcare law.

Republicans have refused to pass a budget unless Democrats agree to the concessions.

The Senate is scheduled to convene on Monday afternoon, just hours before the shutdown deadline at midnight, and majority leader Harry Reid has already promised that Democrats will kill the House's latest proposal.

Barring any last-minute action, about 800,000 federal workers would be forced off the job without pay. Some critical services such as patrolling the borders, inspecting meat and controlling air traffic would continue.

Social Security, the American pension scheme, will continue to pay out benefits, and the Medicare and Medicaid healthcare programmes will continue to function as well.

The latest fiscal fight underscored the deep divide between the Republicans and the Obama administration and its Democratic allies.

Republicans insisted that the healthcare law was costing jobs and driving up healthcare costs.

Obama has said he will not let the law, his chief domestic achievement, be gutted; Democrats say Republicans are obsessed with attacking the overhaul, which is aimed at providing health coverage for millions of uninsured Americans.

Rehearsing arguments

Since the last government shutdown 17 years ago, temporary funding bills known as continuing resolutions have been uncontroversial.

But with exchanges set to open on Tuesday where people could shop for healthcare coverage from private insurers, lawmakers from the Republicans' ultraconservative tea-party wing are willing to take the risk in their drive to kill the healthcare law.

The action in Washington on Sunday was limited mainly to TV talk shows and barrages of press releases, as Democrats and Republicans rehearsed arguments for blaming each other if the government in fact closes its doors at midnight on Monday.

"You're going to shut down the government if you can't prevent millions of Americans from getting affordable care,'' said Democratic Representative Chris Van Hollen of Maryland.

"If the Senate stalls until Monday afternoon instead of working today, it would be an act of breathtaking arrogance by the Senate Democratic leadership," said House Speaker John Boehner. "They will be deliberately bringing the nation to the brink of a government shutdown."




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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: Cepheus]
    #18910724 - 09/30/13 10:41 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

We need healthcare bad, somebodies got to tell those fatties and drug addicts what to do:lol:


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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: Konyap]
    #18910746 - 09/30/13 10:50 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

That's a rather slanted article. As it happens the Republicans have sent two bills to the Senate to avert this. Both were proclaimed dead BEFORE arrival.

Obama had said what amounts to... "do it my way or I'm taking my ball and going home".

House Republicans have said "here's a bill that does basically what you want it to do, with the exception of the 1 year delay to Obamacare".

Who's shutting down government?


Obama has granted delays to employers but refuses to do the same for everyone else... despite the media pointing out that Obamacare is a massive clusterfuck.

Now... whether or not you agree that Obamacare is a good or bad thing, the fact remains that it is not ready.


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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #18910754 - 09/30/13 10:53 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Also... government does not "shut down"

Some may be sent home, but social security and similar payments still get made. Other functions of government continue on as per "normal".

I suspect the "shut down" will be a non-event, much like sequester. Sequester came, few noticed, fewer cared, life went on.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #18910772 - 09/30/13 10:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

So basically... jack shit happens. Life continues on. The sky doesn't fall. The water still flows. The wind still blows. Politicians keep fucking us while using sand as lube.

AIR TRAVEL

Federal air traffic controllers would remain on the job and airport screeners would keep funneling passengers through security checkpoints. Federal inspectors would continue enforcing safety rules.

INTERNATIONAL TRAVEL

The State Department would continue processing foreign applications for visas and U.S. applications for passports, since fees are collected to finance those services. Embassies and consulates overseas would continue to provide services to American citizens.

BENEFIT PAYMENTS

Social Security and Medicare benefits would keep coming, but there could be delays in processing new disability applications. Unemployment benefits would still go out.

FEDERAL COURTS

Federal courts would continue operating normally for about 10 business days after the start of a shutdown, roughly until the middle of October. If the shutdown continues, the judiciary would have to begin furloughs of employees whose work is not considered essential. But cases would continue to be heard.

MAIL

Deliveries would continue as usual because the U.S. Postal Service receives no tax dollars for day-to-day operations. It relies on income from stamps and other postal fees to keep running.

RECREATION

All national parks would be closed, as would the Smithsonian museums, including the National Zoo in Washington. Visitors using overnight campgrounds or other park facilities would be given 48 hours to make alternate arrangements and leave the park. Among the visitor centers that would be closed: the Statue of Liberty and Ellis Island in New York, Independence Hall in Philadelphia, Alcatraz Island near San Francisco and the Washington Monument.

HEALTH

New patients would not be accepted into clinical research at the National Institutes of Health, but current patients would continue to receive care. Medical research at the NIH would be disrupted and some studies would be delayed. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention would be severely limited in spotting or investigating disease outbreaks, from flu to that mysterious MERS virus from the Middle East.

FOOD SAFETY

The Food and Drug Administration would handle high-risk recalls suspend most routine safety inspections. Federal meat inspections would be expected to proceed as usual.

HEAD START

A small number of Head Start programs, about 20 out of 1,600 nationally, would feel the impact right away. The federal Administration for Children and Families says grants expiring about Oct. 1 would not be renewed. Over time more programs would be affected. Several of the Head Start programs that would immediately feel the pinch are in Florida. It's unclear if they would continue serving children.

FOOD ASSISTANCE

The Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants and Children, known as WIC, could shut down. The program provides supplemental food, health care referrals and nutrition education for pregnant women, mothers and their children.

School lunches and breakfasts would continue to be served, and food stamps, known as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP, would continue to be distributed. But several smaller feeding programs would not have the money to operate.

TAXES

Americans would still have to pay their taxes and file federal tax returns, but the Internal Revenue Service says it would suspend all audits. Got questions? Sorry, the IRS says taxpayer services, including toll-free help lines, would be shut as well.

LOANS

Many low-to-moderate incomes borrowers and first-time homebuyers seeking government-backed mortgages could face delays during the shutdown. The Federal Housing Administration, which guarantees about 30 percent of home mortgages, wouldn't underwrite or approve any new loans during the shutdown. Action on government-backed loans to small businesses would be suspended.

SCIENCE

NASA will continue to keep workers at Mission Control in Houston and elsewhere to support the International Space station, where two Americans and four others are deployed. The National Weather Service would keep forecasting weather and issuing warnings and the National Hurricane Center would continue to track storms. The scientific work of the U.S. Geological Survey would be halted.

HOMELAND SECURITY

The majority of the Department of Homeland Security's employees are expected to stay on the job, including uniformed agents and officers at the country's borders and ports of entry, members of the Coast Guard, Transportation Security Administration officers, Secret Service personnel and other law enforcement agents and officers. U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services employees would continue to process green card applications.

MILITARY

The military's 1.4 million active duty personnel would stay on duty, but their paychecks would be delayed. About half of the Defense Department's civilian employees would be furloughed.

PRISONS

All 116 federal prisons would remain open, and criminal litigation would proceed.

VETERANS SERVICES

Most services offered through the Department of Veterans Affairs will continue because lawmakers approve money one year in advance for the VA's health programs. Veterans would still be able to visit hospitals for inpatient care, get mental health counseling at vet centers or get prescriptions filled at VA health clinics. Operators would still staff the crisis hotline and claims workers would still process payments to cover disability and pension benefits. But those veterans appealing the denial of disability benefits to the Board of Veterans Appeals will have to wait longer for a decision because the board would not issue any decisions during a shutdown.

WORK SAFETY

Federal occupational safety and health inspectors would stop workplace inspections except in cases of imminent danger.


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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: Patlal]
    #18910792 - 09/30/13 11:04 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Good, I hope the Government shuts down. Fuck them. But it wont because just like last time it's bullshit scare tactics designed to push agendas. Even if/when the Govt shuts down they'll still be taking taxes from my paycheck :yesnod: Honesly I couldn't give two fucks about their political theater just like they obviously don't give a shit about us.


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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: Patlal]
    #18910854 - 09/30/13 11:24 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

My uncle used to work in the government, and he would send us these reports of recent transactions occurred in the government. His wife also was the first person to inform him that the government was planning on shutting down a week before it really did. They first heard that they were closing it because the government didn't want people to expose their secrets. There going to give them money, but the money they give them will be fake. I know a person whom predicted the market would collapse in 2005, he posted a video on Youtube with him confessing that it had collapsed. The entire market seemed to have become deflated with artificial money, so everything appeared to give the appearance of being worth value, but in reality was virtually useless. The obsolete value implemented in most root transactions occurred before WW3, which most politicians were well aware about before it happened, didn't seem to have much effect on the peoples reactions. There reactions to this mentioning of money losing value was negated, or there were no signs of it having any effect on anyone or anything. Though one person said that he felt a sensation as these words were spoken, and that he wanted to find out why it first collapsed.


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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: Patlal]
    #18910866 - 09/30/13 11:26 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It happened because of obstructionist politics. Our political system has become so polarized that the 2 parties basically won't agree on ANYTHING.


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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #18910883 - 09/30/13 11:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

We need to get all of those geezers out if senate

It's like they're still living in the old days

We don't have to walk miles in the snow in rain to get places anymore damn it


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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: gzuf]
    #18910917 - 09/30/13 11:38 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

JC

Obamacare is already a law. Congress should stop whining and actually start doing their job. I'm almost glad the republicans are acting so cray-cray cause they will be easier to defeat next election.

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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: spock]
    #18910920 - 09/30/13 11:40 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

indeed.


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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: gzuf]
    #18910937 - 09/30/13 11:42 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

gzuf said:
Good, I hope the Government shuts down. Fuck them. But it wont because just like last time it's bullshit scare tactics designed to push agendas. Even if/when the Govt shuts down they'll still be taking taxes from my paycheck :yesnod: Honesly I couldn't give two fucks about their political theater just like they obviously don't give a shit about us.




A government shutdown isn't a good thing. If they shut down 800,000 people will be without work until this is resolved.


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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: Patlal]
    #18910985 - 09/30/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Here's your answer...

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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: vinsue]
    #18911009 - 09/30/13 12:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)




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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: Gumby]
    #18911056 - 09/30/13 12:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Gumby said:
A government shutdown isn't a good thing. If they shut down 800,000 people will be without work until this is resolved.




Wahhh for them.

Quote:

Millions more, including active-duty members of the military, will be required to report to work without a salary until the government goes back to regular operations. Although service members and other federal workers have been paid retroactively after past shutdowns, the House and Senate would have to approve the back pay, which is not guaranteed.




So based on history the workers will get their money.

This next bit is far more interesting...

Quote:

Members of Congress will have no such dilemma about the future of their own finances this week because the 27th Amendment to the Constitution specifically stipulates that the salaries of the House and Senate cannot change until a congressional election has come and gone. Members of both chambers currently make $174,000.

The 27th Amendment was originally hatched by the Founding Fathers and ratified in 1992 to prevent senators and House members from boosting their own salaries before an election. But the reality is that Congress is now the only class explicitly protected by the Constitution from financial pain in the event that they themselves fail to fund regular government operations. Even their own congressional staff members will be furloughed or go to work on Capitol Hill without the promise of getting paid once the dust settles.




http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/09/30/how-congress-will-still-get-paid-in-a-government-shutdown.html


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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: spock]
    #18911102 - 09/30/13 12:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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JC

Obamacare is already a law. Congress should stop whining and actually start doing their job. I'm almost glad the republicans are acting so cray-cray cause they will be easier to defeat next election.

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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18911165 - 09/30/13 12:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

god bless amurica. cant wait to leave this drama and faggotry


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    #18911189 - 09/30/13 12:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

So what drama and faggotry will you be moving to?


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