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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: rew736]
    #18913475 - 09/30/13 09:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

So your argument is that we should reduce our standard of care to that of Cuba, because that way we could save more money?? Notice on my above link, the fact that the USA is on almost all of the most important medical technological advancements.... The US practically invented MRIs, CTs, SSRIs, Artificial joints and, eye surgery. These are some of the most commonly implemented medical techniques and contraptions...


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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: rew736]
    #18913489 - 09/30/13 09:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

We live in a 1st world country that is populated by 350 million people, all of those factoids should be a given.


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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: rew736]
    #18913490 - 09/30/13 09:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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rew736 said:
First of all... Wikipedia... Really?? Great source /s
WHO? Even better /s

http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba649




So then you quote a conservative think tank, whose own front page admits they advocate a "free market healthcare system," and are also actively collaborately with the also conservative Cato Institute, as well as the Heritage Foundation (owned by the Koch brothers who bankroll the tea party and the rest of the anti-Obamacare GOP establishment).


Dipshit.


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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: Konyap]
    #18913500 - 09/30/13 10:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Americans have better survival rates than Europeans for common cancers
Germany
Related statistics
Gross domestic product
3.4 trillion USD (2012)

Population growth rate
0.1% annual change (2012)

Life expectancy
80.74 years (2011)

U.S.
Related statistics
Population growth rate
0.7% annual change (2012)

Gross domestic product
15.68 trillion USD (2012)

Life expectancy
78.64 years (2011)


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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #18913527 - 09/30/13 10:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

First of all, please... I try to be respectful, no name calling. This thread almost depended into a flame war once before...

As to the source, the organization that compiled it is almost irrelevant. If you wish to check the accuracy of the claims, have at it:

Note that the statements given are facts, therefore verifiable... Simply go and check...

Concord Working Group, "Cancer survival in five continents: a worldwide population-based study,.S. abe at  responsible for theountries, in s chnologies, " Lancet Oncology, Vol. 9, No. 8, August 2008, pages 730 - 756; Arduino Verdecchia et al., "Recent Cancer Survival in Europe: A 2000-02 Period Analysis of EUROCARE-4 Data," Lancet Oncology, Vol. 8, No. 9, September 2007, pages 784 - 796.

[2] U.S. Cancer Statistics, National Program of Cancer Registries, U.S. Centers for Disease Control; Canadian Cancer Society/National Cancer Institute of Canada; also see June O'Neill and Dave M. O'Neill, "Health Status, Health Care and Inequality: Canada vs. the U.S.," National Bureau of Economic Research, Working Paper No. 13429, September 2007.  Available at http://www.nber.org/papers/w13429.

[3] Oliver Schoffski (University of Erlangen-Nuremberg), "Diffusion of Medicines in Europe," European Federation of Pharmaceutical Industries and Associations, 2002.  Available at http://www.amchampc.org/showFile.asp?FID=126. ; See also Michael Tanner, "The Grass is Not Always Greener: A Look at National Health Care Systems around the World," Cato Institute, Policy Analysis No. 613, March 18, 2008.  Available at http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=9272.

[4] June O'Neill and Dave M. O'Neill, "Health Status, Health Care and Inequality: Canada vs. the U.S."

[5] Ibid.

[6] Nadeem Esmail, Michael A. Walker with Margaret Bank, "Waiting Your Turn, (17th edition) Hospital Waiting Lists In Canada," Fraser Institute, Critical Issues Bulletin 2007, Studies in Health Care Policy, August 2008; Nadeem Esmail and Dominika Wrona "Medical Technology in Canada," Fraser Institute, August 21, 2008 ; Sharon Willcox et al., "Measuring and Reducing Waiting Times: A Cross-National Comparison Of Strategies," Health Affairs, Vol. 26, No. 4, July/August 2007, pages 1,078-87; June O'Neill and Dave M. O'Neill, "Health Status, Health Care and Inequality: Canada vs. the U.S."; M.V. Williams et al., "Radiotherapy Dose Fractionation, Access and Waiting Times in the Countries of the U.K.. in 2005," Royal College of Radiologists, Clinical Oncology, Vol. 19, No. 5, June 2007, pages 273-286.

[7] Nadeem Esmail and Michael A. Walker with Margaret Bank, "Waiting Your Turn 17th Edition: Hospital Waiting Lists In Canada 2007."

[8] "Hospital Waiting Times and List Statistics," Department of Health, England.  Available at http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Publicationsandstatistics/Statistics/Performancedataandstatistics/HospitalWaitingTimesandListStatistics/index.htm?IdcService=GET_FILE&dID=186979&Rendition=Web.

[9] Cathy Schoen et al., "Toward Higher-Performance Health Systems: Adults' Health Care Experiences In Seven Countries, 2007," Health Affairs, Web Exclusive, Vol. 26, No. 6, October 31, 2007, pages w717-w734.  Available at http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/reprint/26/6/w717.

[10] June O'Neill and Dave M. O'Neill, "Health Status, Health Care and Inequality: Canada vs. the U.S."

[11] Victor R. Fuchs and Harold C. Sox Jr., "Physicians' Views of the Relative Importance of 30 Medical Innovations," Health Affairs, Vol. 20, No. 5, September /October 2001, pages 30-42.  Available at http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/reprint/20/5/30.pdf.

[12] OECD Health Data 2008, Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.  Available at http://www.oecd.org/document/30/0,3343,en_2649_34631_12968734_1_1_1_37407,00.html.

[13] "The U.S. Health Care System as an Engine of Innovation," Economic Report of the President (Washington, D.C.: Government Printing Office, 2004), 108th Congress, 2nd Session H. Doc. 108-145, February 2004, Chapter 10, pages 190-193, available at http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy05/pdf/2004_erp.pdf; Tyler Cowen, New York Times, Oct. 5, 2006; Tom Coburn, Joseph Antos and Grace-Marie Turner, "Competition: A Prescription for Health Care Transformation," Heritage Foundation, Lecture No. 1030, April 2007; Thomas Boehm, "How can we explain the American dominance in biomedical research and development?" Journal of Medical Marketing, Vol. 5, No. 2, 2005, pages 158-66, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, July 2002.  Available at http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/publications/erp/page/8649/download/47455/8649_ERP.pdf .

[14] Nicholas D. Kristof, "Franklin Delano Obama," New York Times, February 28, 2009.  Available at http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/01/opinion/01Kristof.html.

[15] The Nobel Prize Internet Archive.  Available at http://almaz.com/nobel/medicine/medicine.html.

[16] "The U.S. Health Care System as an Engine of Innovation," 2004 Economic Report of the President.


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"Banana's emit radiation. In fact banannas are the standard in detecting solar radiation. The radiation read from a bananna tells scientists how active the sun was during the growing season. Make sure to steer clear of bananas too."
seekaytea said:
"I need to stop spending all my money on plants and take up a cheaper hobby, like heroin."
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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: Konyap]
    #18913528 - 09/30/13 10:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Illyabo said:
Our hospitals are far from good anyway, over 200,000 deaths as a result of mal-practice, no euthenasia for the dying and sick, no abortions for certain people unless they said they were raped, monopolized medicine that cost just a couple pennies to make in other countries etc.




Sometimes I wonder if this isn't the unspoken heart of the problem-- our country doesn't have enough doctors or medical technicians to make health care more affordable.


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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: Gumby]
    #18913535 - 09/30/13 10:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Gumby said:
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gzuf said:
Good, I hope the Government shuts down. Fuck them. But it wont because just like last time it's bullshit scare tactics designed to push agendas. Even if/when the Govt shuts down they'll still be taking taxes from my paycheck :yesnod: Honesly I couldn't give two fucks about their political theater just like they obviously don't give a shit about us.




A government shutdown isn't a good thing. If they shut down 800,000 people will be without work until this is resolved.





actually national parks employees will be sent home with pay and that's pretty much the extent of a shutdown


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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: rew736]
    #18913559 - 09/30/13 10:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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rew736 said:
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Illyabo said:
...make becoming a doctor an easier thing....




:whatwhatwhat::awthatsbullshit: Are you saying you would prefer to go to an INFERIOR doctor?!?!

You cannot seriously say it is too hard to become a doctor... It isn't like you can cut corners... Either you know medical stuff well enough for people to trust you with their body, or you don't... While you could make the tests easier, but WHY??? America is generally regarded to have the BEST DOCTORS IN THE WORLD, THE WORLD!!! Perhaps they are expensive, but you can hardly blame them... Why would you even SUGGEST lowering our medical standards....

It is just beyond me....



Our medical standards are far below the rest of the world when you look at cost AND results. We pay twice as much yet have a significantly shorter lifespans than almost any modern country.


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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #18913564 - 09/30/13 10:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Exactly... Though it may ruin your vacation if you are going to the national parks, it will not be as bad as all the fear mongering makes it out to be...

Post office still works
Social security still works


Here is a link for the parts that get closed and those essential...

That is it for me tonight, I am afraid. I need to be up tommorrow bright and early so if you all don't mind,

I will see about this thread tomorrow.

Cheers!


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malicom said:
"Banana's emit radiation. In fact banannas are the standard in detecting solar radiation. The radiation read from a bananna tells scientists how active the sun was during the growing season. Make sure to steer clear of bananas too."
seekaytea said:
"I need to stop spending all my money on plants and take up a cheaper hobby, like heroin."
Wiccan_Seeker said:
"Your knowledge on male-on-male rape and willingness to engage in fantasy regarding the matter is commendable."
eminemvs.slimshady said:
"I want to know if they are active and magic or not. And if they are not active, can i pick them before they are active and then they will become active or do they have to grow till they activate?"


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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #18913566 - 09/30/13 10:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

Gumby said:
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gzuf said:
Good, I hope the Government shuts down. Fuck them. But it wont because just like last time it's bullshit scare tactics designed to push agendas. Even if/when the Govt shuts down they'll still be taking taxes from my paycheck :yesnod: Honesly I couldn't give two fucks about their political theater just like they obviously don't give a shit about us.




A government shutdown isn't a good thing. If they shut down 800,000 people will be without work until this is resolved.





actually national parks employees will be sent home with pay and that's pretty much the extent of a shutdown





Really? Tell that to all the people I know who aren't going to work tomorrow, some of whom have already had furlough days.


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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #18913576 - 09/30/13 10:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Prisoner #1 said
actually national parks employees will be sent home with pay and that's pretty much the extent of a shutdown



wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong.


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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: memes]
    #18913579 - 09/30/13 10:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

didnt they just shut it down? isnt it 12...


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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #18913581 - 09/30/13 10:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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BlindSophist said:
Quote:

Illyabo said:
Our hospitals are far from good anyway, over 200,000 deaths as a result of mal-practice, no euthenasia for the dying and sick, no abortions for certain people unless they said they were raped, monopolized medicine that cost just a couple pennies to make in other countries etc.




Sometimes I wonder if this isn't the unspoken heart of the problem-- our country doesn't have enough doctors or medical technicians to make health care more affordable.





or there's millions that decide to use the emergency room as a primary care
physician and default on their bills, so instead of a $140 doctor visit out
of pocket, they decide a $3000 ER bill they can ignore is the better option


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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: koods]
    #18913594 - 09/30/13 10:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

There are people who work in defense all over the planet. When they get sent home our non functioning govt pays for that. In a lot of ways more money is spent when our govt is shut down than when it is up and running.

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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: spock]
    #18913651 - 09/30/13 10:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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spock said:
In a lot of ways more money is spent when our govt is shut down than when it is up and running.




I can't think of any way that could be correct.


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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: memes]
    #18913663 - 09/30/13 10:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

the governement isnt the typical business.. it generates revenue from taxes.. we still pay.. they get to go play.


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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: memes]
    #18913681 - 09/30/13 10:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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memes said:
Quote:

Prisoner #1 said
actually national parks employees will be sent home with pay and that's pretty much the extent of a shutdown



wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong.




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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18913696 - 09/30/13 10:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

can someone sum up the last 8 pages in a sentence or two for me?


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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: Shroomopotamus]
    #18913713 - 09/30/13 10:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Shroomopotamus said:
can someone sum up the last 8 pages in a sentence or two for me?




just another political conversation.


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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: Shroomopotamus]
    #18913716 - 09/30/13 10:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Some people blame Obama, some people blame the Republicans.


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