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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: Konyap]
#18913268 - 09/30/13 09:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Are you trying to argue that giving useless shitheads everything they need will somehow make them less likely to become fictitious meth cooks?
Rather the heart medication then the open heart surgery/death.
How does the government do that? Almost every young person with a job is going to get fucked.
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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: rackem]
#18913270 - 09/30/13 09:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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rackem said: this may be off topic a little bit but doesnt anybody think that the government just wants a piece of the big health care industry as a form of a way to make more money?
at the end of the day government doesnt care if you have health care or not, they want the opportunity to make more money.
thats how i see obamacare, under the roof of the 'affordable health care act'
and i dont think our government should have a hand in it at all.
Our nation is $16 trillion in debt, I dont think they know how to make money. Besides, its not like they're socializing the entire trillion dollar medical/pharmaceutical industry.
When the ACA starts saving/making the government money, thats a good thing. Because when the government makes money, the American people make money.
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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: NetDiver]
#18913278 - 09/30/13 09:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Gumby said: A government shutdown isn't a good thing. If they shut down 800,000 people will be without work until this is resolved.
But among them will be DEA and NSA agents. 
I heard that this will leave the DEA and NSA mostly unaffected as they are "essential". (it's just not America without the DEA, maaan...) So instead they shut down parks and other "non-essential" services.
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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: Konyap]
#18913283 - 09/30/13 09:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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i dont see them taking accountability.. they will be making more money and passing on the cost to the taxpayers.
obamacare in my eyes is no different than buying a used car from a dealership
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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: rackem]
#18913286 - 09/30/13 09:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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rackem said: this may be off topic a little bit but doesnt anybody think that the government just wants a piece of the big health care industry as a form of a way to make more money?
at the end of the day government doesnt care if you have health care or not, they want the opportunity to make more money.
thats how i see obamacare, under the roof of the 'affordable health care act'
and i dont think our government should have a hand in it at all.
That makes no sense. The government cares in the sense that it costs a lot of money and hurts the economy when you have people who require health care and can't afford it. I would rather have the government run an insurance program, instead of the current system where a middle man takes a cut from every transaction. The rest if the civilized world has figured this out.
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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: zappaisgod]
#18913290 - 09/30/13 09:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: How does the government do that? Almost every young person with a job is going to get fucked.
The goverment just needs to adapt/straighten out the industry if they want to survive.
for example, make drug production easier, take note of what hospitals pay for their monitoriing machines and why they very, make becoming a doctor an easier thing etc.
Even if they don't Prevention is still cheaper then a trip to the E.R.
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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: koods]
#18913296 - 09/30/13 09:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The health care industry is completely fucked. Costs have been spiraling out of control for a long time and it's not good for anybody. The right and the left agree that health care should be reformed, if nothing else; the difference is that the right seem to want to let it reform itself.
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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: rackem]
#18913299 - 09/30/13 09:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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rackem said: i dont see them taking accountability.. they will be making more money and passing on the cost to the taxpayers.
obamacare in my eyes is no different than buying a used car from a dealership
how does that make sense?
if the government is making money, it costs the taxpayers less, not more.
And Obamaxare is the same car, you just arent paying the crippling insurance rates and deductibles anymore.
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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#18913303 - 09/30/13 09:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The right wants nothing more then a doomsday and endtimes to sort everything out.
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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#18913314 - 09/30/13 09:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: That's a rather slanted article. As it happens the Republicans have sent two bills to the Senate to avert this. Both were proclaimed dead BEFORE arrival.
Obama had said what amounts to... "do it my way or I'm taking my ball and going home".
House Republicans have said "here's a bill that does basically what you want it to do, with the exception of the 1 year delay to Obamacare".
Who's shutting down government?
Obama has granted delays to employers but refuses to do the same for everyone else... despite the media pointing out that Obamacare is a massive clusterfuck.
Now... whether or not you agree that Obamacare is a good or bad thing, the fact remains that it is not ready.
hey buddy, guess what
theyre all fucked up
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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: koods] 1
#18913316 - 09/30/13 09:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The ACA is law. This is about sore losers using extortion to get their way.
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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: Konyap]
#18913324 - 09/30/13 09:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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BURRRRN MOTHERFUCKER BURRRRN!
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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#18913346 - 09/30/13 09:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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the government isnt going to loose any money on this deal. anything that is going to cost them is going to be passed to the taxpayer.
and the taxpayer will have to pay for any interest that tied up any government monies.
look at any other government run entities and tell me how this one is going to be any different? military, public schools etc.. obama care will not be any different.
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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: koods]
#18913365 - 09/30/13 09:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: The ACA is law. This is about sore losers using extortion to get their way.
Exactly.
This isn't about Obama or the Democrats being stubborn, this is the GOP House trying to circumvent the legislative process by bribing a law either out of existence, or at the very least delayed until they get another chance to try to repeal it again.
Lets be real. The Republicans have tried to repeal this law 41 times. They aren't simply offering a 1 year delay because they're suddenly accepting the idea of it taking effect. They're doing it to save face, because, guess what, once again the Republicans are getting all the blame.
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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#18913382 - 09/30/13 09:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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They don't even represent the majority anyway, the states they have need to have two representatives because they're fucking boonie backwoods anyway.
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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: teknix] 1
#18913386 - 09/30/13 09:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Illyabo said: ...make becoming a doctor an easier thing....
 Are you saying you would prefer to go to an INFERIOR doctor?!?!
You cannot seriously say it is too hard to become a doctor... It isn't like you can cut corners... Either you know medical stuff well enough for people to trust you with their body, or you don't... While you could make the tests easier, but WHY??? America is generally regarded to have the BEST DOCTORS IN THE WORLD, THE WORLD!!! Perhaps they are expensive, but you can hardly blame them... Why would you even SUGGEST lowering our medical standards....
It is just beyond me....
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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: rew736]
#18913399 - 09/30/13 09:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Illyabo said: ...make becoming a doctor an easier thing....
 Are you saying you would prefer to go to an INFERIOR doctor?!?!
You cannot seriously say it is too hard to become a doctor... It isn't like you can cut corners... Either you know medical stuff well enough for people to trust you with their body, or you don't... While you could make the tests easier, but WHY??? America is generally regarded to have the BEST DOCTORS IN THE WORLD, THE WORLD!!! Perhaps they are expensive, but you can hardly blame them... Why would you even SUGGEST lowering our medical standards....
It is just beyond me....
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems
For the lazy, we're #38.
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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: rew736]
#18913408 - 09/30/13 09:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Illyabo said: ...make becoming a doctor an easier thing....
 Are you saying you would prefer to go to an INFERIOR doctor?!?!
You cannot seriously say it is too hard to become a doctor... It isn't like you can cut corners... Either you know medical stuff well enough for people to trust you with their body, or you don't... While you could make the tests easier, but WHY??? America is generally regarded to have the BEST DOCTORS IN THE WORLD, THE WORLD!!! Perhaps they are expensive, but you can hardly blame them... Why would you even SUGGEST lowering our medical standards....
It is just beyond me....
The federal regulations are what makes them so costly to begin with.
Why can third world countries like cuba have a health care facility on every corner but we cant?
Our hospitals are far from good anyway, over 200,000 deaths as a result of mal-practice, no euthenasia for the dying and sick, no abortions for certain people unless they said they were raped, monopolized medicine that cost just a couple pennies to make in other countries etc.
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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: Konyap]
#18913417 - 09/30/13 09:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's like everybody who's never needed care or looked at a bill will come out and say this is bad
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Re: What's this thing I've been hearing about the US government shutting down? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#18913442 - 09/30/13 09:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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First of all... Wikipedia... Really?? Great source /s WHO? Even better /s
http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba649
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