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Offlinefalseaddiction
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Pan Sub Find! - * Added trip report
    #1891054 - 09/07/03 03:06 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I am sorry but my digital camera died, and i can't get it working...so here are pics of exactly what our finds look like! i mean exact! i looked hard to find the right ones to show.

Spore Print: Black
Habitat: Wood Chips, in an herb garden...might be manuer in there too.



I also looked dry pictures and they look the same. Anything else i should do to ID these, what step next? hopefully eating them.... but not till i get a good ID , thanks guys


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Offlinefalseaddiction
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Re: Pan Sub Find!? Need an ID [Re: falseaddiction]
    #1891163 - 09/07/03 03:37 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

are there any look alikes i have to beware of?


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Re: Pan Sub Find!? Need an ID [Re: falseaddiction]
    #1891203 - 09/07/03 03:49 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

doesnt grow on wood chips,
better make sure the garden has straw or dung, scan your finds at least.


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Offlinefalseaddiction
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Re: Pan Sub Find!? Need an ID [Re: Mitchnast]
    #1891240 - 09/07/03 03:59 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

i found them in the garden like i said....in my girldfriends moms garden...and she said she laid down straw at the begining of this growing season for some reason or another. It is also special dirt for growing herbs, so it would have some dung in it right???? so do u think they are pan subs or not? i think they are for sure...let me know. the ground looks just like the ground in the first pic


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Re: Pan Sub Find!? Need an ID [Re: falseaddiction]
    #1891608 - 09/07/03 08:08 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

It would be unwise of anyone to assure you of these mushrooms being pan subbs or "pan subs", without a picture.... Not that you should only judge it's edibility on the basis of photographic analysis... But as they say a picture is worth a thousand words.....which do you believe they are anyhoo????


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Re: Pan Sub Find!? Need an ID [Re: nofind_um]
    #1891655 - 09/07/03 08:24 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

which do you believe they are anyhoo????
what do u mean nofindum?


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Offlinefalseaddiction
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Re: Pan Sub Find!? Need an ID [Re: falseaddiction]
    #1891660 - 09/07/03 08:25 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

are there look alikes tho? i have search a ton and couldn;t find anything about it. mine look exxxactly like those. have the ring, brown middle on top, black gray gills, black spore print, hollow stems, i wish my camera was working! any way i can ID these without the pics???


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    #1891760 - 09/07/03 08:58 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Pan Sub Find!? Need an ID [Re: ]
    #1891814 - 09/07/03 09:14 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

he did and it was, but i still wanna see a pic.
deadly lookalikes with black prints on composted garden, easy answer, no
unless youve got coprinus, in which case toxicity is caused by alcohol consumption


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Offlinefalseaddiction
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Re: Pan Sub Find!? Need an ID [Re: Mitchnast]
    #1891950 - 09/07/03 10:02 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

it is jet black man, i let it sit for a day, and it as black and black pen. i am not one to just eat a mushroom, and i know these are pan subbs, but i just want to make sure. gotta be safe. Do I have to wait for my pics to be able to eat them. i won;t have a camera for about a month, i have my camera, but my cord for it is at my aunt house in a different state and she is bringing it up with her in a month. i have all the pics just sittin on my camera. bummer!


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Re: Pan Sub Find!? Need an ID [Re: falseaddiction]
    #1891967 - 09/07/03 10:05 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

http://www.fungocenter.it/images/Famiglie_Funghi/Coprinus/Coprinus%20auricomus%201.jpg
That is a coprinus, and its definitly not that...although i have seen those around here, and they all died in my other garden about 2 weeks ago. These definitaly have the brown ring around the edges and everyyyting. thought it might help


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Re: Pan Sub Find!? Need an ID [Re: falseaddiction]
    #1892033 - 09/07/03 10:24 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

thats one type, not particularly the ones i meant, but you probably have pan sub, i wont give you a definate till i see it


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Re: Pan Sub Find!? Need an ID [Re: falseaddiction]
    #1892052 - 09/07/03 10:30 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I would say you have Pan Subs,but noone is going to know for sure unless we can see some pics of the shrooms or see some spores under a microscope,good find tho,and keep us updated,peaceout and happy hunting!


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Re: Pan Sub Find!? Need an ID [Re: aminitaman]
    #1892527 - 09/08/03 01:11 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

fa: do you at least have access to a scanner? you can scan them to obtain a reasonable picture. if you do, do not press them with the scanner lid, use something liek a towel to cover them.

as has been said before, you may have Pan subbalteatus, but untill you get us a pic, or at least give us a detailed, coherent description nobody will ever advise you to eath them.

things to include:
1.) psysical texture of the pileus.
2.) psysical texture of the stipe surface, including any adornments thereupon.
3.) description of the gill attachment/structure.
4.) from a specimen with a descent amount of mycelium attached to the base of the stipe [dig out from around the base with a knife], describe any bruising reaction.


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Re: Pan Sub Find!? Need an ID [Re: falseaddiction]
    #1892958 - 09/08/03 04:11 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Mitchnast, Tha Panaeolus subbalteatus
in my above photos from my site are growing in soil where woodchips were laid over the top soil,

I have found at least ten or more such collections here in Seattle Since 1976, including numerous collections on the U of W. muclch areras with ivy the first year of growth.. A FEW GROWING IN fEBRUARY IN A PARKING LOT MULCHED AREA. TH SPORES CAME IN WITH THE TOP SOIL. MJ

tHAT IS HOW THEY APPEAR IN GRASSY LAWNS SUCH AS THE MONTeROUS LAWN FOUND BY JOSHUA A YEAR AND A HALF AGO. MJ

And Falseaddiction, Telling people here that the subb photos above are Coprinus only shows that youa re giving bad advice becasue you obviuously do not know what either species looks like, or do not not know what you are talking about.

mj


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Re: Pan Sub Find!? Need an ID [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1893039 - 09/08/03 05:14 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

mj, i beleive you misinturipited falseadiction's post. he wad stating that he he didn't believe his find was a coprinus in repsonse to Mitchnast's previous post.
Mitchnast only mentioned coprinus because fa had asked if there where any potentialy dangerous mushroms wich could be confused with subbs and since both have a black print and ther could be some confusion for some beginners.

i hope this cleared things up a little.


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Re: Pan Sub Find!? Need an ID [Re: canid]
    #1893327 - 09/08/03 09:53 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

yep. that exactly what i meant . also i would scan them, but i can't find anymore fresh ones growing. the rest are dried already. I have the pics on my camera! just gotta get them off!


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Re: Pan Sub Find!? Need an ID [Re: falseaddiction]
    #1895411 - 09/08/03 07:55 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

here are a few horrible pics, but you can see a bit. these pics suck! I wish i could get my good camera shots!




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There's agoldmine up onthe mountainside

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Re: Pan Sub Find!? Need an ID [Re: falseaddiction]
    #1895415 - 09/08/03 07:56 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

oh ya, i just left them out in my room for a day, and they are nto dry but turning a bit dark, does this mean they are rotted? they still smell fine and are drying now in a box with tsome dryair stuff.


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Re: Pan Sub Find!? Need an ID [Re: falseaddiction]
    #1898185 - 09/09/03 02:57 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)



those are my pics! hope i can get a 100% id now! thanks


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