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In Pursuit of Knowledge Registered: 03/06/09 Posts: 4,310 |
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CP | By The Canadian Press Posted: 09/23/2013 11:51 am EDT | Updated: 09/23/2013 8:16 pm EDT
SASKATOON - A Saskatoon company has been granted the first two licences to produce and distribute medical marijuana under new Health Canada pot rules. Prairie Plant Systems Inc. has been Health Canada's only supplier of pharmaceutical-grade marijuana for 13 years. CEO Brent Zettl says the new regulations mean people won't have to go through Health Canada. "I think it really heralds the beginning of the new method and the new ways in which patients are going to be accessing medical marijuana in the future," said Zettl. "Patients now will be able to see their doctor; with the doctors they'll fill in the medical note and they'll be able to actually access medical marijuana directly from the licensed producer, such as ourselves right now. Health Canada is stepping away from being the provider of it and just acting as the regulatory body." "What it really boils down to is now it's being treated much more like a true pharmaceutical in the way that it's going to be accessed by patients," he added. Prairie Plant Systems has also launched a subsidiary called CanniMed Ltd., which will be the distribution and support hub for patients and physicians, as well as the brand name of the pharmaceutical-grade pot products. Zettl says the company had focused on one type of marijuana with the Health Canada contract. It will soon start selling three brands of pharmaceutical-grade marijuana. Each brand has a different strength of THC and CBD — the active ingredients in pot. Zettl says that will give patients more choice in how they treat their illnesses. "Certain people respond better to higher levels of THC for managing pain...and they want the higher concentration — (that's) what we've had from patient feedback — because they actually ingest it as opposed to smoke it, so they want to have a higher concentration to begin with," he said. "Other patients want to have a high CBD line because they're using it for managing other aspects, such as spasticity." Medical marijuana can be used to treat pain, nausea and stimulate appetite for people with chronic or terminal illnesses, such as inflammation due to arthritis or the nausea associated with chemotherapy. Zettl says the company filled more than 11,000 patient orders last year. He expects the number to grow. Under new federal rules that take effect in April 2014, authorized users of medical pot can no longer grow their own, but must purchase their supply from a licensed producer. — By Jennifer Graham in Regina http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/201 -------------------- --- Robert Pirsig - "When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion." --- Brian Cox - "[One] problem with today’s world is that everyone believes they have the right to express their opinion AND have others listen to it. The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense."
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Its got all the dinks. Registered: 12/22/12 Posts: 5,423 Loc: poop Last seen: 7 years, 2 months |
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Quote: kinda ironic, maybe but for real, scraping the grow your own rule was retarded i wonder what the pricing is going to be on this, also they need more than 3 strains, although im glad to hear they offer a cbd strain edit http://www.prairieplant.com/cann -------------------- You can drink at 7 A.M., because the Beastie Boys fought for that right -------------------------------- pons asinorum -------------------------------- lsd and the vietnam war changed music forever Edited by hidenseek1 (09/29/13 01:03 PM)
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בּ Registered: 02/19/09 Posts: 13,487 Loc: Turtle Island Last seen: 6 days, 6 hours |
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i was talking to my dispensary about this--at this time, it's basically a thinly veiled attempt to give some of harpers buddies in private business a chance to spin a dollar off of medical marijuana after the gov't itself has found the program to be a monetary loss year after year--a lot of constructive input from the medical marijuana community was outright ignored
the reason for scrapping the 'grow your own' policy is obvious the reason for lack of providing licensing to established non-profit providers is also obvious in the official gov't proposal, it flat out states that there will be an expected rise in patient expenses after these new policies roll out--how much? about exactly equal to the projected increase in profits for private business providers it's a money grab--and from people who can least afford it--some very sick and disabled folks use marijuana for medical reasons i fully expect most people to continue supporting their local compassion centres, rather than some shitty centralized company and their three shitty
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Registered: 08/10/12 Posts: 4,354 Loc: Canada Last seen: 3 years, 16 days |
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Quote: You know I don't want to live next to 30 thousand watts of grow in a suburban neighbourhood. I know people love growing their own money but indoor growing is better done in a factory. People abuse the grow your own laws. Organized crime is profiting under current system. While I agree disabled people should have access to cheap weed, your average card holder probably isn't that sick anyway. If I drink beer to fall asleep is that medical use? Lets make beer and weed the same, we should all go to same store and buy it. I can't get cheap beer for my insomnia so why should a med pot patient get cheap weed for same disease? Sorry it's just everyone I have ever me who is legally growing their own is illegally selling it too. I am not surprised the grow your own is ending. You allow people to possess many pounds at once, telling me that organized crime doesn't use them to transport it? I know for a fact gangs control many legal grows right now. It needs to be legal and just one law for everybody.
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Its got all the dinks. Registered: 12/22/12 Posts: 5,423 Loc: poop Last seen: 7 years, 2 months |
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my biggest qualm, is i dont know how its grown, especially which fertilizers they may use like phosphate fertilizers on tobacco
i dont doubt lots of people sell the shit, but lots legitimately grow it for personal use too also i like the idea, that i can pick whatever strain on the internet order seeds and grow it you know, you can brew your own beer right? well i agree that there should be a place to buy it for the lazy or disabled, we should have the right to grow it too -------------------- You can drink at 7 A.M., because the Beastie Boys fought for that right -------------------------------- pons asinorum -------------------------------- lsd and the vietnam war changed music forever
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בּ Registered: 02/19/09 Posts: 13,487 Loc: Turtle Island Last seen: 6 days, 6 hours |
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Quote:What is your point? Are you against the use of electricity or the presence of marijuana plants near your home? First off, not all grow ops are 30 thousand watt operations--most medical patients are growing on a much smaller scale--generally it is independent suppliers of dispensaries who operate large scale grows. Regardless, I don't see how your own personal preference is any justification for preventing people from growing plants on their own private property. If that 30 thousand watt operation is up to code, there is nothing wrong with it. Quote:Organized crime is profiting from the current system of illegal recreational use, not from legal medicinal use. Yes, some sources that supply medical marijuana are also supplying black market dealers--this is more a result of the government not licensing enough legitimate suppliers (it's been a monopoly of the one company mentioned in this article for a long time now) so that medical dispensaries are required to get their marijuana from black market growers. Making it easier to grow and provide marijuana legally would fix this problem much more than strengthening the monopoly would. Example? Our government considers all preparations beyond dried marijuana to be illegal. This means hashish, oils, tinctures, and edibles. My dispensary is forced into getting these items through technically illegal sources. Quote:Of course the average card holder will be suffering from more common (aka average) symptoms--this doesn't change the fact that a large percentage of medical marijuana users are suffering from serious illness. Beyond that, who are you to decide that a person 'probably isn't sick anyway'? If you didn't know, the supreme court of Canada has already decreed the right for access to marijuana for medical purposes exists. That decision is between their doctor and the person themself (in my opinion, solely with the person) and so your conclusion of whether they need access to marijuana or not is irrelevant. Quote:Your comparison of marijuana to beer is asinine. Would using beer for medicinal effects be considered medicinal use? Yes, but no doctor in their right mind would prescribe alcohol as a remedy for sleeplessness (or anything, for that matter). That is not the case for marijuana, there is a growing opinion (and body of research) suggesting marijuana has a large medicinal benefit. So no, access to alcohol for medicinal use should not be considered as a right in the way that access to marijuana for medical use is. This line of reasoning sounds like something a bitter alcoholic would suggest. Quote:The grow your own is ending to force people to purchase from private companies, not to limit the supply of illicit marijuana. Criminal gangs are not operating legal grows. These are small scale operations not worth the time (nor risk caused by close association to government) for criminal organizations to bother with them. The main role criminal gangs play in the medical marijuana market is large scale underground grow ops that channel their product into the grey markets of medical marijuana dispensaries. The average person growing their own are working a small scale operation to provide for personal use. The legal limits are much lower than what you seem to believe, and as such I slightly doubt the legality of these grows you mention. 'Growing medicinal marijuana' does not imply a legal medical marijuana grow. You are allowed to possess 30 times your daily dose. This amounts to the average patient allowed to possess one to two ounces, with the upper limit generally peaking at around 5 ounces. The amounts of plants legally allowed generally falls between 5-10 (only 2 if outdoors), with 25 (10 if outdoors) being the usual upper limit. The amount of stored marijuana (storage, not transport) is generally around half a pound (0.225kg), with the upper limit being about 8lbs (3.75kg). Your 30 thousand watt, 300 plant legal grows are a figment of your imagination. The only thing on that scale, operating legally in Canada, is the company mentioned in this article. Monopolies are to be avoided. Quote:Yes, but until that point arrives, why are you trying to limit the existing access for medicinal users. Once again, it merely comes across as bitter.
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Registered: 08/10/12 Posts: 4,354 Loc: Canada Last seen: 3 years, 16 days |
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I don't care if it's up to code it's a fire hazard. A thousand watt light is meant to light sports fields at night, not be in your basement. Anyway i saw a light explode that was wired by a real electician and it started a fire. Its not safe.
"This amounts to the average patient allowed to possess one to two ounces, with the upper limit generally peaking at around 5 ounces." No you have no idea what you are talking about. My friend is allowed to possess to something like 8 pounds. They tell their doctor they eat it. "The amounts of plants legally allowed generally falls between 5-10 (only 2 if outdoors), with 25 (10 if outdoors) being the usual upper limit." Are you even exempt? You are not allowed to grow outside. 25 is not "the upper limit" either. Read the article below this guy has 75 plants. How can you have 25 plants and only be allowed 5 oz dried? That doesnt make sense, you are just pulling munbers out of your ass. I know someone exempt for insane amounts. Don't even get me started on designated growers. The majority of grows that BC hydro and the lower mainland police discover are legal now. Alot a sick people right? Bullshit. "Beyond that, who are you to decide that a person 'probably isn't sick anyway'?" I don't like people getting weed for cheaper then me because they have some aches and pains. Who are you to say most are suffering from serious ailements? I don't hear doctors reccomending it either. A bunch of doctor shopping expemteees make it sound like they are going to die without it. I think it should just be legal for everyone like beer. I know who Dr Skype is in the article below too. Here's an article since you are the only person i know who thinks medical growing is legit in BC. Med pot in canada is over run with organized crime. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/br A B.C. pot grower says he and many others are making thousands of dollars every month growing licensed medical marijuana and selling it for illegal distribution on the streets, and there is little police can do to stop it. As he descends the steps of his Nelson home, Jack throws a switch and lights up 85 well-tended pot plants. Exhaust fans hum as he tends to his crop. "This is a three weeks in bud. You can see they got a nice bud on them," says Jack, who CBC agreed to identify only by his first name. "It's starting to smell nice. Another four weeks and these will be done," he says. Jack says he has been a pot grower his whole adult life and he’s made a good living at it, comfortably raising a family . Some licensed medical marijuana growers are earning thousands of dollars each month on the illegal market. (Bob Keating/CBC) He estimates he gets about $20,000 every two months from his basement operation. With six crops a year, that’s about $120,000 a year. Jack says he used to grow his pot illegally and sell it on the Prairies, but that was too risky, so he applied to Health Canada for a Personal Use Production licence. He filled out a few forms and got a doctor to sign off on a medical condition. The whole process took a half hour he recalls. "All I did with my doctor is send him medical reports from here. I did a Skype interview with my doctor and sent him a credit card number," he says. It was so easy, in fact, that Jack got a second licence — this one in a relative’s name. "And why not?" he says, "Everyone is doing it. They are going about the same business. They are just getting a license." Once the government sanctioned him, they even sent him a permit to transport pot. But while he’s growing the pot legally, Jack still sells his marijuana to the same middle men he always has and that's how large amounts of medicinal marijuana end up being sold illegally on the streets, police say. Police handcuffed by licences Const. Bill Long patrols the streets of Nelson, where marijuana is a huge part of the underground economy. "It’s a day-to-day thing, a day-to-day challenge for us to deal with," says Long. Long and other officers say the medical marijuana rules have made their jobs almost impossible, as more and more illegal growers apply for licences. Licensed growers 9,369 personal production licences in B.C. 2,232 designated growers for others in B.C. 18,063 personal production licences in Canada 3,405 designated growers for others in Canada Over 10,000 licences to grow medical marijuana have been issued in B.C. alone, and more than 20,000 across Canada. Health Canada is supposed to inspect the legal grow-ops, but Long says he’s never seen that happen. "The follow-up, as far as any door knocks or checks, seems to be lacking and we as police don’t have the authority to do those checks and a lot of them are very aware of that," said Long. And so people like Jack grow weed with virtual impunity. Some growers pool licences and grow hundreds of plants per crop. RCMP Cpl. Dennis Blanch says organized crime now recruits people to apply for licences. "Serious organized crime has found a venue that buffers them from law enforcement. They are actively recruiting people to make applications for marijuana licences. The only area we can catch them in is when they are trafficking in cannabis to non-licensed patients," says Blanch. System out of control Don Skogstad, a criminal lawyer who specializes in marijuana cases, says Canada's medical marijuana system has resulted in a stampede no one fully anticipated. "There was a lot of criticism. It was kind of a hodgepodge. I mean how many medicines can you produce in your own home?" asks Skogstad. "This idea of growing in your own neighbourhood. That was never well thought. It’s secretive. Local governments don’t know about it — fire hazards, wiring hazards in many cases," he says. The Conservative government has been told by police, municipal government and individual citizens who say the system has spun wildly out of control. It vowed again this week to scrap the personal production licences by next spring and go to a system of large, secure grow sites that are federally inspected and run by people with deep pockets. Find out more about the new rules That would mean no more legal basements grow-ops, but Skogstad says the federal government is finding it hard to change the current system. "They are way behind on approving the new system. They can’t run out of supply. It’s a constitutionally guarded medicine. So they can’t have a hiatus where there is nothing available. They have not been able to approve big industrial growers so they’ve had to continue with the old system," he says. Skogstad says the federal government continues to issue licences that run into June of next year, well past the date they said the current system would end. Longing for the good old days Meanwhile back in his basement, Jack says he actually misses the days when operations like his were illegal because lately so much so-called "legal weed" has spilled onto the street it’s driven down prices. He used to get almost $3,000 a pound for his bud when he was growing illegally. Now it’s $1,700 pound and falling. Sometimes there’s so much medical marijuana out there he says some growers can’t unload their product. "It’s going down the tubes because of all these licences. Three years ago you couldn’t have enough of this. Now I know people who have ten pounds from their last crop because they couldn’t sell it. " And so Jack pines for the good old days – when what he did was illegal but he made a lot more money doing it.
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בּ Registered: 02/19/09 Posts: 13,487 Loc: Turtle Island Last seen: 6 days, 6 hours |
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Quote:Yes, I am exempt--are you? My doctor has prescribed me marijuana for nearly four years now. I was her first medical marijuana patient, and I walked her through the application process rather than vice versa. During the application, I became familiar with the MMAR, and I have been doing my best to keep up with the new changes as well--though, I admit, they have been implemented in a way that can be confusing. First off, I assure you that outdoor grows are legit--they just are held to a different set of standards then indoor grows. Secondly, you seem to be confusing 'storage' amounts with 'transport' amounts. The figure 5oz dried is the 'transport' or 'carry' amount. The amount that can be stored is much higher, the upper figure being about 3.75kg. Your friends may be allowed to have 8lbs (about 3.75kg) in storage, but I can almost guarantee you they are not allowed to possess that much on they person while out and about. Thirdly, in the case of someone growing 75 plants--this is the situation of a single caregiver having the license to operate the personal grow of someone who is too ill to manage on their own--so in the case of 75 plants, he is likely a caregiver for several people. As far as I am aware though, the upper limit for a single license is around 25 plants. Quote:Why does this matter? Yes, something like 70% of grow op investigations are shut down after discovering that the grow op was a legal operation. This does not imply that these grow ops were illegal, nor that they were shut down, nor that they were associated with organized crime. Infact, quite the opposite--the investigation ends because they were found to be legitimate operations. This could mean anything, from the possibility that illegal grow ops are more stealthy, thereby avoiding discovery despite being more common than legal grow ops. It could also mean that the majority of grow ops are legal, and that the presence of organized crime in marijuana grows is decreasing. What it doesn't say, is that these grow ops are involved in anything more than growing medical marijuana for legitimate purposes. Quote:You don't like people being able to afford their medicine, if your recreational substances are more expensive? Do you not realize how incredibly bitter and envious you are coming off as? The supreme court has decided that Canadians have the right to have access to medical marijuana. It's as simple as that. Canadians do not have the right to access alcohol, nor recreational marijuana, or any other recreational substance. It's as simple as that, the right to have access to medicine. And I did not say most medical marijuana users are suffering from serious ailments. The health records are private, so we don't have the actual numbers--but my direct experience has shown me many people are suffering from severely debilitating illness. Regardless, it is not for me to decide who is sick enough to get marijuana either. It is up to the patient and their doctor. The reason why many doctors choose to not prescribe it is another, separate issue. Many refrain due to their own prejudices. Other from the fact that many malpractice insurances will not cover marijuana, and doctors want to protect their own ass from being sued. And finally (this was the case of my doctor), some are simply unaware of the details of the program, who qualifies, or the medicinal effects of marijuana itself. This does not change the fact that, in the eyes of the Canadian government and a growing body of medical research, marijuana does have medicinal benefit. Access to medicine should not be viewed as the same as access to recreational substances. I don't see how you are unable to understand this... Should recreational marijuana be sold in a similar way to beer? Yes. Should medicinal marijuana? No! No! No! We have a right to have access to medicine that does not exist for recreational substances--I'm repeating myself here... As for that article, your posting it shows just how little understanding you have for the way medical marijuana currently works in this country. This article is nothing more than a propaganda piece for the harper gov't. My doctor prescribes me marijuana, and for various reasons, I choose to get my marijuana through a non-profit compassion centre near where I live. These places are found all over Canada, in most major cities, and are the most common way that medical marijuana patients get their marijuana. The catch? Our government does not consider them legitimate access points for medical marijuana, and as such labels them as illegal. What does this mean? That the government is able to make the claim that the vast majority of marijuana grown for medicinal purposes ends up in illegal markets. While technically true, these compassion centres are principled operations. They only sell to people with doctors recommendations for medical marijuana--aka, people that are legally allowed to use marijuana. They exist because the gov't approved outlet has been severely lacking for the entire time that our medical marijuana program has be going on, to the point that many people are not able to have access to the medicine they need--or wouldn't, were it not for their local compassion center. To allude that compassion centres are 'organized crime' is a flat out lie, and this is what the article, the gov't--and you--are alluding to when making the claim that most medical marijuana is sold on illegal markets by criminals. With that being said, are some people gaming the system? Sure, it happens with anything--but coming from someone who has had an intimate participation in Canada's medical marijuana community for most of Harpers reign, your portrayal of medical marijuana within Canada is wrong--and either displays a gross misunderstanding on your part, or the dissemination of harmful rhetoric--or both.
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Registered: 02/10/13 Posts: 6,268 |
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Buying your MJ might be better for the environment than growing it yourself ;-)
larger grows are more eco friendly usually you need 400W yourself to get a decent grow, or as minimum 250W but not sure that is enough for chronic pain patients.... tolerance is quickly built I don't see any problem with buying it, as long as it is cheap hope it happens soon imagine cancer patients not being able to get morphine before being diagnosed but the docs happily prescribing them tramadol that kills people and can't take the pain instead prescribe them medical MJ if all you can do is lay down, then MJ is not so bad, no side effects except munchies/stoned, never killed anybody (btw my case was the same as above, except I didn't have cancer, just kidney stones for >1 year, could only lay down, no pain meds ordered that worked, medical MJ would have been great... but if you smoke weed currently the system won't help you... "so you're a smoker, how much do you smoke,..." bullshit system, even if you smoke cigs, they won't help you , physiotherapist won't help people smoking) zero tolerance, zero acceptance left in society these days the docs ordered me 15 different pills that didn't work except tramadol / morphine..... only got sicker from them each time (tramadol didn't work it almost killed me several times, morphine they only gave me 1 week out of >1 year) seizures/cramps in whole body and not being able to breathe is fun... thanks doc and thanks for prescribing me them again under another name never eat that shit... I only ate 100mg max... shouldn't happen at that dose (usually only on 400mg+) couldn't pee for a day when I ate them and started to itch all over/very dizzy etc... toxic shit Edited by lessismore (09/29/13 11:15 PM)
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Stranger Registered: 08/31/05 Posts: 516 Loc: Canada Last seen: 5 years, 5 months |
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shivas.wisdom, thanks for explaining all of that. It's good to see someone around here so familiar with the state of med pot in Canada.
my3rdeye, it's odd how you have so much disdain and mistrust for people using the current MMAR system. Sure some people abuse it, but it's not fair to penalize those who actually ARE respecting the intent of the program, simply because of the actions of the people who are not. Also, any chance you might be a little jealous of all the money it sounds like your "friend" might be making? Quote: I definitely agree the large scale commercial operations could be a good option for certain people. But they should only be that- an option. Certainly not the only legal source! Sorry to hear about your pain problems btw, I hope that more doctors will be willing to sign for people to access soon.
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A psychedelic mess. Registered: 08/12/08 Posts: 443 Last seen: 2 years, 2 months |
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Does the Canadian government really think that the eclectic, counter-culture-type folk of the cannabis movement are going to willingly support another corporaton in the making? They are so blinded by $. Pretty sure this latest attempt to monetize (yet keep illegal) a plant that people are so passionate about is doomed to fail.
Rock on shivas.wisdom. Canada needs more people like you. Edited by junkyardgod (09/30/13 03:50 AM)
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Botanist Registered: 08/31/07 Posts: 961 Last seen: 8 months, 22 days |
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that's total shit a person cannot organically grow their own, or for their friend, in a small grow. Total shit.
Yes, ban biker gang trafficking etc, but for someone to provide a friend with a cancer killing plant? wtf. Quit banning nature. Good luck putting that genie in the bottle. I bet this was pressure from the US! LOL who knows, but what a dumb idea. Just like here, one can legally brew their own beer, one should be able to grow their own. -------------------- Nomad 2013 Trade List http://www.shroomery.org/forums/ Edited by fireshaman (09/30/13 04:54 PM)
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