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Life is just a distraction
    #18906901 - 09/29/13 12:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I know the whole DA thing has been done to death in this form (ha, see what I did there?) but I'm going to post anyway.

I took a couple of hits of LSZ last night and when I was peaking I got annoyed because I was having loads of sinus pressure and was trying to distract myself from it.  Anyway, then it hit me that everything we do in a life is just an elaborate distraction from death.  We try to avoid it and avoid thinking about constantly in everything we do. 

When people talk about DA I've always understood it and thought it made sense, but last night I felt like I really "got it".  Anyway, I pissed myself laughing at the time, thought it was really funny, but today it leaves me feeling somewhat depressed.  I'm sure I'll get over it though and will find a way to distract myself again soon.


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The seeker of love escapes the chains of birth and death.
Tomorrow, when resurrection comes,
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Re: Life is just a distraction [Re: PocketLady] * 1
    #18906970 - 09/29/13 12:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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PocketLady said:
I know the whole DA thing has been done to death in this form (ha, see what I did there?) but I'm going to post anyway.

I took a couple of hits of LSZ last night and when I was peaking I got annoyed because I was having loads of sinus pressure and was trying to distract myself from it.  Anyway, then it hit me that everything we do in a life is just an elaborate distraction from death.  We try to avoid it and avoid thinking about constantly in everything we do. 

When people talk about DA I've always understood it and thought it made sense, but last night I felt like I really "got it".  Anyway, I pissed myself laughing at the time, thought it was really funny, but today it leaves me feeling somewhat depressed.  I'm sure I'll get over it though and will find a way to distract myself again soon.




Bingo! (ha another convert :evil:) Be prepared for a possible shit storm. Once you grok this in fullness there is no guarantee that you will be able to really distract yourself anymore.  Let's really really hope you can. :satansmoking:

Interesting how this happens with psychedelics. In the old days I thrilled myself with visions of cosmic connections and world peace and other lovely shit.  Then one day it hit me just like it hit you.  All of a sudden I realized that that early psychedelic awakening was only part of the equation and the dark side must be considered before one thinks they have really awakened to this mystery.


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Re: Life is just a distraction [Re: Icelander]
    #18907022 - 09/29/13 12:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yep that pretty much sums up my journey so far. 

I have a feeling you are right Ice, and I'm already wishing I took the blue pill...!  Maybe it's not so bad though. Kinda relieves the pressure of expectations and achievements etc.


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Re: Life is just a distraction [Re: PocketLady]
    #18907057 - 09/29/13 12:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Their are some upsides but you will have to fight hard to win them.  Best of luck warrior, from what I know of you here you will put up a good fight. :nicesmile:


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Re: Life is just a distraction [Re: Icelander]
    #18907078 - 09/29/13 01:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Interesting how this happens with psychedelics.

I think it's the alternate perception of symbolism in life that creates the nakedness on psychedelics. Nakedness is genetically speaking vulnerability.

This is why I struggle pissing when people are around me. Deeply integrated mental "flaw", obviously physical pain and my mind goes hand in hand.


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Re: Life is just a distraction [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18908082 - 09/29/13 05:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I think death anxiety assumes way too much. It also shows a strong ignorance of the complexities of life, if you think it's all just a distraction... no offence but you'd have to be pretty depressed not to be able to enjoy your own abilities, the abilities of others and the general flow of human life.

Go out and get some coffee, have a meal, check out the stores, look at the people living life.

Because it's all just God hiding from itself.


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Re: Life is just a distraction [Re: circastes]
    #18908095 - 09/29/13 05:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Because it's all just God hiding from itself.

This is the same bullshit mental masturbation that the hippies were spouting out their asses.  Where's your evidence?  DA makes a lot more sense imo and with some evidence.  In fact imo saying things that are comforting as truth when one really has no evidence speaks more for the validity of DA than the nonsense speculation you usually bring to this forum.

And aren't you the guy who spends most of his time in the house due to anxiety?


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Re: Life is just a distraction [Re: Icelander]
    #18908258 - 09/29/13 06:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You just remember who you are... Maybe The Perennial Philosophy is good evidence?

I have had a recent recurrence of anxiety for no reason, I don't "spend most of my time in the house" because of anxiety, I just recently have been feeling shit.


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Re: Life is just a distraction [Re: circastes]
    #18908325 - 09/29/13 06:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

For no reason?  Maybe that loving god just wants to fuck you up. :haha:

Which part of that philosophy is your evidence?


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Re: Life is just a distraction [Re: PocketLady]
    #18908381 - 09/29/13 06:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

A distraction from what, exactly?


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Re: Life is just a distraction [Re: PocketLady]
    #18908703 - 09/29/13 07:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Perhaps death is just a distraction from life. Face it, we are all going to die someday, accept it. The fear of death seems to be more a fear of life. Death is the end of living, and since you will not be alive to remember death, what exactly are we supposedly anxious about?


At the moment death is, I will not be, therefore it is illogical to fear death. Seeking to avoid something is not really DA. Since life is the opposite of death, I would say it seeks to repel the inevitable indeed. Yet, this rebellion against death isn't due to anxiety or fear. It is due to will. The will to live is not the same as afraid to die. To feel one is distracting oneself from life or that all of life is a distraction from death sounds a lot like life anxiety, imo.


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Re: Life is just a distraction [Re: hTx]
    #18908721 - 09/29/13 08:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The fear, the anxiety lies in UA. Unknown Anxiety. Uncertainness of situations presented leads to all anxiety. Death anxiety being a more perfect manifestation of anxiety of the unknown, since death and what may or may not happen afterwards is certainly uncertain.


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Re: Life is just a distraction [Re: hTx]
    #18908842 - 09/29/13 08:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Doesn't matter if it is illogical it's what humans do.  BTW humans do a lot of seemingly illogical things.

what exactly are we supposedly anxious about?

What we are anxious about is impermanence.  The personality structure or ego if you will cannot envision itself as non existent without great stress or anxiety on a conscious  and/or unconscious level.  (According to Ernest Becker - Denial of death)  So unless we can create some belief that on some level we go on, such as reincarnation, heaven, nirvana, being part of everything etc, or some other type of distraction (shield)  we get anxious.  Most or much of this is on an unconscious level according to Becker and TMT folk but can be seen in the actions and words of the individual with serious observation.


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Re: Life is just a distraction [Re: hTx]
    #18908899 - 09/29/13 08:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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The fear, the anxiety lies in UA. Unknown Anxiety. Uncertainness of situations presented leads to all anxiety. Death anxiety being a more perfect manifestation of anxiety of the unknown, since death and what may or may not happen afterwards is certainly uncertain.





Certainly part of the equation. If we actually knew what death was we would know whether we should be anxious or not. :laugh:


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Re: Life is just a distraction [Re: Icelander]
    #18909083 - 09/29/13 09:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

"So unless we can create some belief that on some level we go on, such as reincarnation, heaven, nirvana, being part of everything etc, or some other type of distraction (shield)  we get anxious.  Most or much of this is on an unconscious level according to Becker and TMT folk but can be seen in the actions and words of the individual with serious observation. "

We are apart of everything, by its very definition, a part must have something to do with everything.  That is hardly a shield against death anxiety, more a truth that ego cannot come to realize because it is in our egos that we distinguish ourselves as separate beings;  Fear and anxiety are shields to maintain the ego or persona.
The belief and faith in the maps of unknown reality (heaven, nirvana, reincarnation) are what we use to break the shield and liberate the self to operate outside of ego and the anxiety it creates, if only just for a bit.

I will argue that this is the real reason why these maps were created and why they became popular and stayed that way. They provide comfort that death is perhaps not so unknown after-all. Even this traces back to fear (anxiety) of the unknown, versus fear of impermanence. I won't be so difficult as to say impermanence isn't something we fear, nor that the inevitable truth of it likely causes much anxiety, but I will say this...

Facing the truth of the inevitableness of death and accepting it is entirely possible. You say that the ego cannot envision its non-existence... I say that it can, and that it is precisely for this reason that it creates fear and anxiety because non-existence is unknown. Even in basic psychiatry we have theories about ego, how we believe it to be us, and that there is more to us than ego alone. 


I feel this is why MAPS is having success in treating death anxiety in terminal patients with psychedelics, because psychedelics can put one into unfamiliar territory and with therapy or guidance, one can face the unknown, shields down and be unafraid, perhaps even realize that we must have unknowns to know anything.


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Re: Life is just a distraction [Re: hTx]
    #18909198 - 09/29/13 09:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Oh, I think there's an obvious connection between death and stress.  Its purpose used to be saving us.  It used to be 3 minutes of screaming terror on the the savannah after which it's either over with or you're over with :lol: The real question is us and how we've changed.  To an extent I think you're right, we're incredibly disassociated now from any real risk of actually dying, but our anxiety still has its roots in death. Now our anxiety is very much a social psychological factor.. I don't think that we're inherently existentially anxious about death, this shit all comes from how we relate with each other imho.


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I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: Life is just a distraction [Re: PocketLady]
    #18909203 - 09/29/13 09:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Its all a big one in a little one, in a bigger and a smaller one , this shit never ends just like an Onion the layers are virtually the same but once you peel them all away you have nothing left! De De Deathly


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Re: Life is just a distraction [Re: Icelander]
    #18909219 - 09/29/13 09:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Icelander said:
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PocketLady said:
I know the whole DA thing has been done to death in this form (ha, see what I did there?) but I'm going to post anyway.

I took a couple of hits of LSZ last night and when I was peaking I got annoyed because I was having loads of sinus pressure and was trying to distract myself from it.  Anyway, then it hit me that everything we do in a life is just an elaborate distraction from death.  We try to avoid it and avoid thinking about constantly in everything we do. 

When people talk about DA I've always understood it and thought it made sense, but last night I felt like I really "got it".  Anyway, I pissed myself laughing at the time, thought it was really funny, but today it leaves me feeling somewhat depressed.  I'm sure I'll get over it though and will find a way to distract myself again soon.




Bingo! (ha another convert :evil:) Be prepared for a possible shit storm. Once you grok this in fullness there is no guarantee that you will be able to really distract yourself anymore.  Let's really really hope you can. :satansmoking:

Interesting how this happens with psychedelics. In the old days I thrilled myself with visions of cosmic connections and world peace and other lovely shit.  Then one day it hit me just like it hit you.  All of a sudden I realized that that early psychedelic awakening was only part of the equation and the dark side must be considered before one thinks they have really awakened to this mystery.




I have a lot of trouble distracting myself. I feel like I'm on my deathbed. Everyone is on their deathbed, but I really don't think everyone feels as if it's true. Most that know it's true tend to ignore it.


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Re: Life is just a distraction [Re: PocketLady] * 1
    #18909261 - 09/29/13 10:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

OP, I've had the same experience; For me though, it's usually about muscle tension or back pain and the inability to find a comfortable position. I'm struck with the thought that one can never truly be comfortable until they're dead. Until then they're constantly moving, adjusting, breathing, or otherwise in flux. Life is fluctuation and movement, death is not. So for me, I'm actually chasing death. I'm chasing comfort. What really happens, though, is that I just fall asleep. As often happens on psychedelics, I made a massive existential issue out of the minutiae of my daily life.


What you experienced isn't actually any sort of universal truth. It's an inference based on limited information. Death anxiety isn't the default way of viewing things, everyone isn't constantly running from death. Some people are, especially those most aware of these concepts. Just because death IS inevitable doesn't make it different from any other thought loop.

I really don't give a shit if any part of me lives on after I die or not. I've actually spent a lot of time being horrified of the idea of life after death because of the realization that if I were to be conscious when I die, and since I'm dead I won't need to sleep, I'll NEVER Be able to truly relax because I'll never be able to stop thinking, my inner monologue will never fucking stop. That's what scares me. I view life as the pursuit of physical mental and emotional satisfaction, and that's what I work for and seek while I'm here. When I'm no longer alive, this pursuit will thankfully end. I couldn't imagine a more perfect scenario.


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Re: Life is just a distraction [Re: LSDXM]
    #18909369 - 09/29/13 10:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I know it's quoted often, but I don't consider it cliche:

"And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."
-Nietzsche

I think this quote is related to the OP.

Me, I was in a staring contest with the void and we both started laughing.


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