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bulkgrownoob
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Another "soaked WBS too long" story
#18909102 - 09/29/13 09:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I started soaking 40 LBs of WBS on Monday and haven't been able to use it due to unexpected circumstances so it's just been soaking for the last 6 days. Just opened one of the buckets and it smells like someone shit and puked in the bucket 6 months ago and left it closed ever since. Guess I won't be PCing tonight
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Re: Another "soaked WBS too long" story [Re: bulkgrownoob]
#18909117 - 09/29/13 09:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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why not? rinse that shit off and PC it!
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Re: Another "soaked WBS too long" story [Re: bulkgrownoob]
#18909119 - 09/29/13 09:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, not only is it growing bacteria everywhere, but also the seeds in it have either dissolved, or they are cracked to the point that PCing them would cause them to either dissolve, or just dry up into a crisp... Never had it happen to me, but it did happen to a friend... I only soak my wbs overnight at MOST... Haven't had a problem...
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Re: Another "soaked WBS too long" story [Re: rew736]
#18909129 - 09/29/13 09:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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That shit is for the Birds man!
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bulkgrownoob
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Re: Another "soaked WBS too long" story [Re: rew736]
#18909135 - 09/29/13 09:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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JamesSpawned said: why not? rinse that shit off and PC it!
Yeah? It smells so bad I would assume there's gotta be crazy amounts of bacteria now.. That can't be good can it? Quote:
rew736 said: Yeah, not only is it growing bacteria everywhere, but also the seeds in it have either dissolved, or they are cracked to the point that PCing them would cause them to either dissolve, or just dry up into a crisp... Never had it happen to me, but it did happen to a friend... I only soak my wbs overnight at MOST... Haven't had a problem...
The seeds still seem pretty intact. I used scalding hot water at the beginning of the soak so they wouldn't germinate or anything. I still couldn't see this as being a good idea to use though
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Re: Another "soaked WBS too long" story [Re: Sockadin]
#18909162 - 09/29/13 09:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I left one for four days once, it was rank but I hosed it out in a strainer/bucket I made from a large piece of screen and a 5g bucket. It was moldy as hell and stunk to high heaven but once thoroughly rinsed it wasn't bad. It grew several sweet tubs of mushrooms. I dunno what 6 days look like, try a couple quarts worth and see WTF happens. It's all a learning process anyways have fun with this shit and learn stuff no one talks about like what happens when you try to grow on 6 day soaked WBS..
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Re: Another "soaked WBS too long" story [Re: JamesSpawned]
#18909237 - 09/29/13 09:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I suppose you have nothing to lose and 40LBs of WBS to gain...
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bulkgrownoob
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Re: Another "soaked WBS too long" story [Re: rew736]
#18909250 - 09/29/13 10:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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rew736 said: I suppose you have nothing to lose and 40LBs of WBS to gain...
Nothing to lose except 4 master jars and the 2 weeks it took them to colonize. I think i might give it a shot anyway
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Re: Another "soaked WBS too long" story [Re: JamesSpawned]
#18909252 - 09/29/13 10:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I get tired of reading people giving advice like "throw it out, start over" just because something deviates outside of a proven tek. Teks are made by trying new things and forging through obstacles to accomplish success. Mushrooms will grow on far less than "ideal" substrates, they are adaptable and voracious and have been known to consume many odd seeming foods. Just because something runs astray of the beaten path does not mean it's headed towards failure. Take advice here with a grain of salt. Many are too stupid to innovate or think for themselves and so will berate you when you tell them something works that is contradictory to a tek. They are like the catholic church refusing to see the world as anything but flat, basing their argument on what they have been told by someone else.
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Re: Another "soaked WBS too long" story [Re: JamesSpawned]
#18909299 - 09/29/13 10:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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JamesSpawned said: I get tired of reading people giving advice like "throw it out, start over" just because something deviates outside of a proven tek.
And I hate it when people give advice to fail. First of all, he was wrong to soak 40 pounds of grains unless he's got a commercial autoclave or whatever. For small grows, use small amounts.
Further, using rotten, moldy, smelly grains is not a new tek. People used to think that's the way to do it and had 50% failure rates or worse with fractional sterilization. Of course, they looked at it as a 50% success rate and thought they were geniuses.
If the grains stink, they've already been partly consumed by another organism, so there's less for the mushroom mycelium to use for jumping off into the bulk substrate, even if you're able to kill off all the bacteria in the pressure cooker. Most of us don't grow to get 'a few tubs of shrooms', but rather to learn to take it to the limit and get the most and highest quality product. RR
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Re: Another "soaked WBS too long" story [Re: RogerRabbit]
#18909346 - 09/29/13 10:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Whatever...just get it out of the house
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bulkgrownoob
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Re: Another "soaked WBS too long" story [Re: RogerRabbit]
#18909360 - 09/29/13 10:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said:
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JamesSpawned said: I get tired of reading people giving advice like "throw it out, start over" just because something deviates outside of a proven tek.
And I hate it when people give advice to fail. First of all, he was wrong to soak 40 pounds of grains unless he's got a commercial autoclave or whatever. For small grows, use small amounts.
Further, using rotten, moldy, smelly grains is not a new tek. People used to think that's the way to do it and had 50% failure rates or worse with fractional sterilization. Of course, they looked at it as a 50% success rate and thought they were geniuses.
If the grains stink, they've already been partly consumed by another organism, so there's less for the mushroom mycelium to use for jumping off into the bulk substrate, even if you're able to kill off all the bacteria in the pressure cooker. Most of us don't grow to get 'a few tubs of shrooms', but rather to learn to take it to the limit and get the most and highest quality product. RR
I have a 75x and 2 16 quart prestos so I can do 29 quart jars at a time and I actually only used about 3/4 of the 40lb bag. Anyway I'm just gonna throw it out I guess. 20 bucks down the drain is better than a whole grow down the drain in the long run
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Re: Another "soaked WBS too long" story [Re: RogerRabbit]
#18910387 - 09/30/13 08:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said:
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JamesSpawned said: I get tired of reading people giving advice like "throw it out, start over" just because something deviates outside of a proven tek.
And I hate it when people give advice to fail. First of all, he was wrong to soak 40 pounds of grains unless he's got a commercial autoclave or whatever. For small grows, use small amounts.
Further, using rotten, moldy, smelly grains is not a new tek. People used to think that's the way to do it and had 50% failure rates or worse with fractional sterilization. Of course, they looked at it as a 50% success rate and thought they were geniuses.
If the grains stink, they've already been partly consumed by another organism, so there's less for the mushroom mycelium to use for jumping off into the bulk substrate, even if you're able to kill off all the bacteria in the pressure cooker. Most of us don't grow to get 'a few tubs of shrooms', but rather to learn to take it to the limit and get the most and highest quality product. RR
At the risk of ending up on your bad side I find myself compelled to forge on here. I am still learning a lot and so I will easily concede to being wrong about something especially when confronted by a TC.
My point here was not that using those grains would be better than following the tek. It was that he had nothing to lose by trying to salvage a few quarts to keep things moving along. I DO try to take my grows to the limit and there are quite a few others that do as well but I have to respectfully disagree with your last statement RR.
The majority of the people I see here ARE just trying to get a few shrooms. Albeit they do always want huge harvests without putting in the work still they are far from committed to the hobby. I value your knowledge and that of the others here like you but I still have to ask. What is OP losing by trying to salvage part of something that is already being chalked up to a loss?
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Re: Another "soaked WBS too long" story [Re: JamesSpawned]
#18910414 - 09/30/13 08:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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As long as the seeds are intact, I don't see what the problem is. PCing the grains will sterilize them so it doesn't really matter what bacteria is in there.
By the way, WBS ferments when you soak it, so it is normal for it to smell like pungent alcohol after a day or so (I've never soaked longer than 24 hours).
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Re: Another "soaked WBS too long" story [Re: Dreaming Nomad]
#18910420 - 09/30/13 08:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just imagine how bad that would smell during the sterilization process.
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Re: Another "soaked WBS too long" story [Re: Dreaming Nomad]
#18910425 - 09/30/13 08:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dreaming Nomad said: As long as the seeds are intact, I don't see what the problem is. PCing the grains will sterilize them so it doesn't really matter what bacteria is in there.
By the way, WBS ferments when you soak it, so it is normal for it to smell like pungent alcohol after a day or so (I've never soaked longer than 24 hours).

Let me say it again and be crystal clear. Another organism has consumed the grains and left its byproduct and waste. It matters little if you sterilize them or not or kill all the bacteria or not. Furthermore, the grains don't ferment unless you leave them too long, in which case they should be discarded.
Would you rather eat a T-bone steak or eat someone's sterilized shit who ate a T-bone steak yesterday? RR
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Re: Another "soaked WBS too long" story [Re: bulkgrownoob]
#18910426 - 09/30/13 08:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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bulkgrownoob said:
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rew736 said: I suppose you have nothing to lose and 40LBs of WBS to gain...
Nothing to lose except 4 master jars and the 2 weeks it took them to colonize. I think i might give it a shot anyway
I just re-read the thread and saw he only had 4 master jars and was considering using them all. I wouldn't suggest gambling with all of them OP, as I said above I would just try a few quarts worth and see what happens.
Also just to be crystal clear I am not continuing to push for you to do this. As RR stated this has been done with fractional sterilization with only 50% success.
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Re: Another "soaked WBS too long" story [Re: RogerRabbit]
#18910482 - 09/30/13 09:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You were crystal clear. I simply disagree. I can understand throwing the WBS out if it were dissolving or otherwise being broken down from being consumed by the bacteria, but if the seeds are whole and intact then it stands to reason that the nutrients within should still be present. Wash the seeds off and sterilize them (which you should do anyways) and they should be good to go.
With that said, you are the TC and moderator and I am just harvesting my first grow. However, as this is a public forum for the exchange of knowledge, I don't appreciate being scoffed and facepalmed at for sharing my ideas, even if they are wrong. It is only by being wrong and correcting your mistakes that anything is ever learned, which I am all for.
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Re: Another "soaked WBS too long" story [Re: RogerRabbit]
#18910488 - 09/30/13 09:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said:
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Dreaming Nomad said: As long as the seeds are intact, I don't see what the problem is. PCing the grains will sterilize them so it doesn't really matter what bacteria is in there.
By the way, WBS ferments when you soak it, so it is normal for it to smell like pungent alcohol after a day or so (I've never soaked longer than 24 hours).

Would you rather eat a T-bone steak or eat someone's sterilized shit who ate a T-bone steak yesterday? RR
I think I might add this to my sig, just to remind myself to be a little more post cautious! Thanks for the clarification RR!
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Re: Another "soaked WBS too long" story [Re: Dreaming Nomad]
#18910532 - 09/30/13 09:27 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dreaming Nomad said: You were crystal clear. I simply disagree. I can understand throwing the WBS out if it were dissolving or otherwise being broken down from being consumed by the bacteria, but if the seeds are whole and intact then it stands to reason that the nutrients within should still be present. Wash the seeds off and sterilize them (which you should do anyways) and they should be good to go.
With that said, you are the TC and moderator and I am just harvesting my first grow. However, as this is a public forum for the exchange of knowledge, I don't appreciate being scoffed and facepalmed at for sharing my ideas, even if they are wrong. It is only by being wrong and correcting your mistakes that anything is ever learned, which I am all for.
As the origination of this line of reasoning we were defending I have to agree with RR. Don't assume me to be a kiss ass either, I'm here to learn and sate my boredom not make buddies. The lesson here is this: OP might be able to salvage some of those grains, PCing might work. But. The propogation of half-assed advice and procedure is surely tiresome and against the grain of what the more venerated growers want to see here.
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