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Harrishroom
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Will I ever be able to move up, or are psyches just not for me? *DELETED*
#18907976 - 09/29/13 05:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Will I ever be able to move up, or are psyches just not for me? [Re: Harrishroom]
#18907989 - 09/29/13 05:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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your looking at it wrong. The more you take the less chance of a positive experience but if you do have a positive experience at high doses, it is incredible.
Mushrooms magnify your mood. I take st johns wort before shrooms and have an amazing trip every time.
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Agentchewy
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Re: Will I ever be able to move up, or are psyches just not for me? [Re: gman7104]
#18908008 - 09/29/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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gman7104 said: your looking at it wrong.
Mushrooms magnify your mood.
yes!
mindstate, and setting.
drop all of your expectations and it will be easier to just "join the dance."
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Re: Will I ever be able to move up, or are psyches just not for me? [Re: Agentchewy]
#18908635 - 09/29/13 07:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Take a shower on the come up to help reduce anxiety. Calming music is your best friend. At high doses you can feel the power that is coming, you just have to relax and let it happen
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Re: Will I ever be able to move up, or are psyches just not for me? [Re: Harrishroom]
#18908687 - 09/29/13 07:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I get incredibly anxious before any trip. I panicked after taking my first hit of Salvia 20x and still had a great time. Other times I've been in a solid mental state and suffered split personalities and confusion. It's a dice roll as far as I'm concerned. Just roll with the punches, man, my most difficult experiences have proven to be some of the most rewarding.
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Re: Will I ever be able to move up, or are psyches just not for me? [Re: DeeBee]
#18908720 - 09/29/13 08:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Try smoking a bowl right after you dose the mushrooms. I find it really helps with the anxiety attack the climb out can sometimes produce. You can take more hits from the pipe than normal because the shroom buzz will eventually burn through it all anyway. Can't say enough good things about using this combination of intoxicants.
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SomeGuyX
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Re: Will I ever be able to move up, or are psyches just not for me? [Re: DeeBee]
#18908726 - 09/29/13 08:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I STILL worry about tripping, man. It IS a crazy experience. And when you get those feelings washing over you during a "stronger" comeup of a trip, of course they might feel uncomfortable.
Don't take mushrooms thinking you won't have to step outside of your comfort zone, because it happens to me every time. It's just something you have to accept if you decide to trip. The mushroom will show you A LOT. Like too much. If you accept that, and you let it wash over you with no/little resistance... It's magical.
But for me it DID get easier. Your brain is very good at adapting, and if it is thrown into a certain environment often, it will switch into the mindset it needs to survive, quicker. That's what I think, but the problem with hallucinations and crazy experiences, is that they are stored in your subconscious. When I'm tripping, I can remember a LOT of my past experiences; the feelings, the thought patterns, the realizations and my perceptions - but when I'm sober, it's harder to connect to those things. That's why MEDITATION helps. Connect with your subconscious, and it will adapt to situations faster - especially altered states of consciousness.
Someone please mention if I got something wrong about this.
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Re: Will I ever be able to move up, or are psyches just not for me? [Re: SomeGuyX]
#18908831 - 09/29/13 08:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The comeup anxiety always goes away for me when the visuals hit. I find if I take more than 4g I'm too floored to worry about anything.
I get anxiety on the comeup no matter the dose
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HarryL
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Re: Will I ever be able to move up, or are psyches just not for me? [Re: heratogwea]
#18908854 - 09/29/13 08:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Is about set and setting
You will get more out of it if you put more into it
It's very possible that you are not ready for mushrooms... But will be later in life
Only you knows...
Good luck
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Re: Will I ever be able to move up, or are psyches just not for me? [Re: Harrishroom]
#18908889 - 09/29/13 08:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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There is no such thing as a "heroic" dose. You shouldn't try to shoot for high doses. There is nothing "heroic" about using large doses, quite the opposite. Using large doses is almost always a stupid idea.
Just use whatever dose you enjoy. People don't get blackout drunk every time they drink because drinking less is way more enjoyable and a better experience. Same thing with psychedelics. Having said that, I can appreciate the rare high dose, and sympathize to some extent with wanting to go higher.
Practice makes perfect. The more you trip, the better you get at tripping, and the easier it is to control. If you have enough experience, you can navigate even the insanity of high doses. Overwhelming mindfuck, fear, paranoia, anxiety, feelings of passing out, feelings of dying, time in an incoherent order, overpowering visuals, confusion, being unable to tell things that really happened from things that you just thought happened, delusions of all kinds, these are things you can learn to deal with, but only with a lot of experience.
Edited by nooneman (09/29/13 08:43 PM)
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Re: Will I ever be able to move up, or are psyches just not for me? [Re: Harrishroom]
#18908898 - 09/29/13 08:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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There's always some anxiety that comes with the unpredictability of a trip, especially high doses and it's not often smooth sailing for the whole voyage, but I'm always glad for the experience in the end.
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Agentchewy
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Re: Will I ever be able to move up, or are psyches just not for me? [Re: nooneman]
#18908906 - 09/29/13 08:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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nooneman said: being unable to tell things that really happened from things that you just thought happened, delusions of all kinds, these are things you can learn to deal with,
I've convinced myself plenty of times that i severely hurt myself
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Re: Will I ever be able to move up, or are psyches just not for me? [Re: Agentchewy]
#18908921 - 09/29/13 08:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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There are always risks, but I don't think you'd deny that with practice comes a lot better control. There's a huge difference between dosing someone with no experience at 7 grams versus dosing someone with a lot of experience at 7 grams. The person with more experience is WAY more likely to be able to handle his shit.
Sure, risks remain, but that guy with experience is going to have a lot easier time.
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Agentchewy
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Re: Will I ever be able to move up, or are psyches just not for me? [Re: nooneman]
#18908932 - 09/29/13 08:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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my delusional states occur when i dose alone indoors, something psychotic about being trapped in your thoughts laying in a bed
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SomeGuyX
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Re: Will I ever be able to move up, or are psyches just not for me? [Re: Agentchewy]
#18909098 - 09/29/13 09:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Agentchewy said: my delusional states occur when i dose alone indoors, something psychotic about being trapped in your thoughts laying in a bed
I know exactly what you mean.
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Re: Will I ever be able to move up, or are psyches just not for me? [Re: Harrishroom]
#18909153 - 09/29/13 09:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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OP, You sound to me like someone who's perhaps a little bit overly cautious (making a point to say three times that you're not going to do a higher dose too soon because you're still new, for example).
You're probably gonna have to tone that down before anxiety/paranoia stop being such a significant factor in your experience, on or off psychedelics.
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Re: Will I ever be able to move up, or are psyches just not for me? [Re: Harrishroom]
#18913257 - 09/30/13 09:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Harrishroom said: Hey, I started experimenting with mushrooms and finding info on other psychedelics because I'm really fascinated with the altered state and the true abstract potential of my brain. I would like to get to a point someday where I experience a "heroic dose," keep in mind this would be far down the line because I'm not nearly experienced enough. But the problem is, lately I've been wondering if I even want to make it to that point. I get terrible, seemingly reasonless anxiety/fear at the beginnings of every strong trip I've had, and if I up that dose past 4 g I know that I could really hurt myself (mentally or physically). So I guess my question is, for some of you that worked your way up to the more significant doses, does the anxiety get worse and more dangerous for you? Like, is that something that will never go away? Did you stop feeling the reasonless anxiety with the more experiences you had on reasonable doses? Maybe am I just not cut out for this? Please note, I know I have only been in this field for a very short time I will NOT be taking any higher doses until I have a lot more experience, but at the moment it just feels like I'll never be ready for that and its kind of disappointing. PS I've never had any sort of significant anxiety (or any psychological disorder) while sober.
That's just all part of the comeup. Set and setting are your friends here. Set things up so you can't fail, in a setting that supports your trip, and it gets a lot easier. Maybe find something to distract yourself during the more insanity-inducing portions of the comeup. Eventually you get used to it and enjoy that phase. No you can't hurt yourself with mushrooms, not unless you've already got some sort of mental issues, and then you'd probably already be aware of it.
Only...well...there is no "altered state", just like there is no "unaltered state." You get out of it what you bring to it. 
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