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Re: A Rumination On Reincarnation. [Re: Yogi1]
    #18924660 - 10/03/13 06:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Going back to my earlier comment where I posited that the soul is no more
than a shadow cast over awareness by the ego. If I can elaborate on this a
little; life is the organisation, animation and sustenance of inanimate matter,
to maintain and stave off collapse and entropy.

The life force that endeavours to accomplish this isn't inherently aware/conscious,
though natural intelligence is a quality that seems apparent;

http://www.realitysandwich.com/psilocybin_natural_intelligence

...and awareness/consciousness is an emergent property of living organisms.

Now if this life force permeates all life throughout space and time, and ego
is a property of the brain, and of physicality; it could be inferred that organisms
with conscious qualities act as nodes of data/memory, and what is experienced
by past life proponents is the linking of one node with another through the web of ubiquitous life force.


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Re: A Rumination On Reincarnation. [Re: Icelander]
    #18925451 - 10/03/13 11:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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How about answering the question?




...i did. life=soul basically. it's pretty simple. bacteria and viruses could only have a life within an 'oversoul' because clearly as individuals they aren't very conscious. Although yeah even at that level they could still have the most rudimentary sensory experience imaginable...why not?


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Re: A Rumination On Reincarnation. [Re: g00ru]
    #18925546 - 10/03/13 12:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

why not?

why?

I see no evidence for a soul either way. All I see is life and a struggle for individual survival and procreation. :shrug:


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Re: A Rumination On Reincarnation. [Re: Icelander] * 1
    #18925621 - 10/03/13 12:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

what about interpersonal connections, and love, which certainly seems to serve a purpose beyond survival.

for survival, lust would be enough. but love brings humans together in completely mysterious ways, often times for reasons that have nothing to do with survival and procreation.


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Re: A Rumination On Reincarnation. [Re: g00ru]
    #18926771 - 10/03/13 05:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Love is the soul

Thoughts/desires/emotions are not who we are, but we often think we are


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Re: A Rumination On Reincarnation. [Re: lessismore]
    #18927167 - 10/03/13 06:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Why does love always come up as the unifying element of
The universe? I don't see it much in nature; only
Really in humans, that is if you can really define it
As love; ' Diliges absolutam '. All else that is apparent
Is instinctive and survival/mating related.


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Re: A Rumination On Reincarnation. [Re: tribesman]
    #18927376 - 10/03/13 07:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Don't even see it that much in humans except as lip service. 

Just because someone says "the soul is love" or whatever doesn't really mean much in reality.


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Re: A Rumination On Reincarnation. [Re: g00ru]
    #18927540 - 10/03/13 07:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

g00ru said:
what about interpersonal connections, and love, which certainly seems to serve a purpose beyond survival.

for survival, lust would be enough. but love brings humans together in completely mysterious ways, often times for reasons that have nothing to do with survival and procreation.





I think not.  Bonds and cooperation were real necessities for mans survival.


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Re: A Rumination On Reincarnation. [Re: Icelander]
    #18932438 - 10/04/13 06:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Don't even see it that much in humans except as lip service. 

Just because someone says "the soul is love" or whatever doesn't really mean much in reality.




People should just be honest and call it what it is; attachment dependency. :lol:


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Re: A Rumination On Reincarnation. [Re: tribesman]
    #18932441 - 10/04/13 06:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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tribesman said:
Quote:

Icelander said:
Don't even see it that much in humans except as lip service. 

Just because someone says "the soul is love" or whatever doesn't really mean much in reality.




People should just be honest and call it what it is; attachment dependency. :lol:




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Re: A Rumination On Reincarnation. [Re: g00ru]
    #18932528 - 10/04/13 06:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Which?


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Re: A Rumination On Reincarnation. [Re: tribesman]
    #18932571 - 10/04/13 06:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

when this thread started you wanted to ruminate on reincarnation, it seems that rumination has come to a close and you now assume that believers in multiple lives are somehow doing it out of a need for emotional comfort, rather than a search for truth. and i'm like, pointin it out at ya >.<


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Re: A Rumination On Reincarnation. [Re: g00ru]
    #18932621 - 10/04/13 06:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Not come too close; the thread just took a turn towards the concept of love, which to me is an ambiguous descriptor that is too often used as a ubiquitous blanket to drape over the gaps in spiritual/existential perceptions. I don't think love, or the human concept of love need come into it. I am interested in the mechanism of rebirth, if it be a reality, and the role played by physicality in the logistics of memory between one apparently isolated organism and another.


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Re: A Rumination On Reincarnation. [Re: g00ru]
    #18936245 - 10/05/13 02:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

This is an interesting interview with Dr.Paul Ekman,
on the Dalai Lama, reincarnation, and physicality.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7H4-PKAxa-U


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