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Re: Doing Mescaline for the first time today [Re: GreySatyr]
    #18906464 - 09/29/13 10:18 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Wiccan, why do you feel mescaline is the best psychedelic?

Not disagreeing, I've not yet had experience with it. Just curious.




Well first of all I've been on these here forums for well over a decade and among those with mescaline & LSD experience its mostly consensus that Mescaline is better.

In my personal experience, LSD is often "rushed" but Mescaline tends to put you smack in the middle of eternities. A Mesc triup is like spending DAYS in that state, time dilation is enormous.  Because of this everything comes at you at a very leisurely pace, and usually wrapped in euphoria.  And, with mescaline I often go from one Big Thing to the next whereas with LSD there are fewer Big Things per session. It has less mindfuck and that invites me to go deeper, both in dose as in psyche as in spirit.


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Re: Doing Mescaline for the first time today [Re: Asante]
    #18906728 - 09/29/13 11:38 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah but let's be fair, wiccan. The "acid" going around since after sandoz was never remotely as good as pharmaceutical grade LSD 25. "legit Lucy" like "wow" or so called family "needlepoint" would certainly suck compared to sandoz LSD according to the old time trippers


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Re: Doing Mescaline for the first time today [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #18906867 - 09/29/13 12:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I did mescaline in the form of Bridgesii tea yesterday for the first time and i loved it. I was clear headed the whole time, got some good visuals, alot of faces and animals. I wad smiling alot and laughing. Rode in the car with my wife and family to pick my son up from s party and it was an awesome car ride. Kinda got intense and seemed to fast in the car but was fun. Now what i didnt like, i kept getting like super goosebumps and it would make every hair on my arms and legs stand up making my clothes really uncomfortable lol. Now i see why people end up naked on psychs! I also felt like i was running a fever at times, visuals would kick up and id feel hot and my mouth had a weird sensation. I loved the stimulation it provided, i was nauses but never puked. I want to try mescaline again, its one of my favorites. Such a beautiful substance.


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Re: Doing Mescaline for the first time today [Re: aw11driver]
    #18906903 - 09/29/13 12:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

How many inches of cactus was it and what was it's diameter?


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Re: Doing Mescaline for the first time today [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #18906939 - 09/29/13 12:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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How many inches of cactus was it and what was it's diameter?



12" by 3 inches or so. It was so nasty, i reduced it down to about half a coffee mug. I was only able to chug 3/4 of it before gagging and almost puking. I didnt think it was going to work but i was wrong. I smoked some bud and that kicked it right in. Drank at 5pm, started to feel tingly in my gut and limbs about 5:30 and visuals by 6:30-7. Time dialation real bad but wasnt negative or concerning like shrooms make me feel. I went to bed about 4:30-5 so i was spun for almost 12hrs.


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Re: Doing Mescaline for the first time today [Re: aw11driver]
    #18907198 - 09/29/13 01:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Weed increases visuals for me definitely. But if you get 12+ inches by 3 inches in diameter with no other drugs in your system, you'll see the real cactus nature begin to unveil itself. The furthest I've gotten is 3 inches diameter by 13 inches length RAW. Raw is more effective per inch than tea. It's also a different kind of trip, slightly.


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Re: Doing Mescaline for the first time today [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #18907236 - 09/29/13 01:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah but let's be fair, wiccan. The "acid" going around since after sandoz was never remotely as good as pharmaceutical grade LSD 25. "legit Lucy" like "wow" or so called family "needlepoint" would certainly suck compared to sandoz LSD according to the old time trippers





Dude that's not true at all. Fluff & needlepoint crystals are both > 95% pure. Some batches have been as high as 98-99%, as tested by GC/MS & other analytical equipment. That is pharmaceutical purity. I have friends that did eat Sandoz back in the early 60s, and they say there is no difference. Sandoz also still exists, in the form of those old ampoules. It's extremely rare & it's a collectors item, but some people that come across to choose to ingest it. They also see no difference. The only thing I've seen those people say is that they greatly underestimated how strong LSD is.


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Re: Doing Mescaline for the first time today [Re: Dark_Star]
    #18907252 - 09/29/13 01:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

If i ever try mescaline again im going to try a tar or an extraction. Dont think i could ever drink the tea again. You ever get goosebumps on mescaline?


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Re: Doing Mescaline for the first time today [Re: aw11driver]
    #18907260 - 09/29/13 02:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Be careful with the extraction. We did that this summer, followed the directions to a T, and got nothing. I was concerned when I saw the amount that was extracted...there was way too much. Sure enough when we took it, no effects. :frown: One of these days I'll give it another shot.


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Re: Doing Mescaline for the first time today [Re: Dark_Star]
    #18907272 - 09/29/13 02:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Dark, you actually have friends that say that?


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Re: Doing Mescaline for the first time today [Re: Dark_Star]
    #18907285 - 09/29/13 02:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Be careful with the extraction. We did that this summer, followed the directions to a T, and got nothing. I was concerned when I saw the amount that was extracted...there was way too much. Sure enough when we took it, no effects. :frown: One of these days I'll give it another shot.



Ah, ill study up before i try. Did you go the tar route and just evaporate? or a full extraction? I was thinking of just doing a simple tar and capsule that up, but ill read everything i can before i try anything.


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Re: Doing Mescaline for the first time today [Re: aw11driver]
    #18907309 - 09/29/13 02:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Dark, you actually have friends that say that?




Yup. A couple of these guys are in their 70s & still get down. :laugh:  One hadn't dosed since the 70s, and I gave him a 100 mic drop of fluff. He absolutely loved it.

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Be careful with the extraction. We did that this summer, followed the directions to a T, and got nothing. I was concerned when I saw the amount that was extracted...there was way too much. Sure enough when we took it, no effects. :frown: One of these days I'll give it another shot.



Ah, ill study up before i try. Did you go the tar route and just evaporate? or a full extraction? I was thinking of just doing a simple tar and capsule that up, but ill read everything i can before i try anything.





We did the iso extraction. I'm not sure if the extraction itself failed, or if the cactus was weak. However a lot of material was extracted, and we didn't even get threshold effects. I'd assume that if any mescaline was in the cactus we'd have at least felt some mild effects, ie have trouble sleeping. :shrug: It was disappointing to say the least. That was supposed to be my first cactus experience. When we do it again we're going to boil it down to tar & cap instead of doing the extraction.


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Re: Doing Mescaline for the first time today [Re: Dark_Star]
    #18907335 - 09/29/13 02:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Lol dark even 6 inches of GOOD raw cactus makes me feel epic. it's much more euphoric than this white tasteless blotter that was supposed to be LSD..not sure if it was :/ I can say I'd give anything to try actual "needlepoint"..and see if it's nearly as good.


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Re: Doing Mescaline for the first time today [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #18907601 - 09/29/13 03:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Well there are different strokes for different folks. Some people like mescaline more than LSD, and vice versa. You might very well have high quality LSD, and it's just not your thing. There's nothing wrong with that.

It seems like whatever was extracted from my cactus did not include any active alkaloids. I was thoroughly disappointed, especially after all the rave review I've heard from people. I'm going to try again at some point in the future, and this time I'll go with bridgesii.


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Re: Doing Mescaline for the first time today [Re: Dark_Star]
    #18907659 - 09/29/13 03:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

To be honest you wanna go with raw.

And the tasteless blotter assuming it was legit Lucy, was euphoric and even gave me a new perspective on things..but it seemed like a poser trip in comparison to cactus. Maybe it was another chemical that happens to have no taste, or just really impure.


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Re: Doing Mescaline for the first time today [Re: Bill_Oreilly] * 1
    #18907672 - 09/29/13 03:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Im reading that mescaline is a light trip and I shouldn't expect a "blow-your-mind" high mushroom-like dose. That's what im looking for seeing as how I have been losing motivation and started to get edgy and cranky at little things. Im just starting to forget "the truth" if you will. You guys know what im trying to say, I hope. I NEED that "change your whole perspective" type trip




If this is really what you want and you have experience going to this place, then you would be fine to take the whole 900mg.

I know what you might be thinking right off the bat, that I am being sarcastic or just want to egg you on without any concern for harm reduction etc.

BUT I can assure you I am being genuine.  I rarely ever post although I visit all the time. 

Let me say something here without a shred of ego.  That means I want to add something to the discussion with no intention of boosting my self or making my self sound cool or "heroic".

I have taken very large doses in many ways.  This includes 3 feet of very good bridgesii,  1 gram of mescaline citrate, 800 mg of mescaline citrate with an MAOI, 2 feet of cactus flesh with MAOI, etc.

The MAOI used was syrian rue.  3-5g made in a tea


My experiences were wonderful.  The setting is equally as important as your dose.  Im sure you know this already, but if you are going where I think you are trying to go, be sure you are in a good state of mind and have no responsibilities for at least one full day.

My motivation for posting is to help you think about why you want to go so far. If you are doing it for a reason that is important to you then IMO you should.  Before taking large doses myself I did a lot of reading and searching.  Most of the time I saw people telling others to tone it down etc.  For myself I knew what I was wanting and had the environment to go there. 

If you have the peace of mind feel free to proceed.  Keep in mind you are not "going for it", take a large dose with thoughtful intent and a comfortable soul.

I hope you get to where you want to go.


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Re: Doing Mescaline for the first time today [Re: bathtub]
    #18907690 - 09/29/13 03:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Good God. 3 feet. Which of those experiences was your strongest one? What kind of visuals did you have?


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Re: Doing Mescaline for the first time today [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #18907803 - 09/29/13 04:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Good God. 3 feet. Which of those experiences was your strongest one? What kind of visuals did you have?





If you click on my name you can take a look at my other post about mescaline.  I only have like 4 posts so I believe it will be easy to find.

To me there is a threshold where you are going to peak as hard as you can and more substance does not seem to increase the experience.  So, honestly I can say that the 3 feet might have been somewhat of a waste of material.  Let me clarify very carefully.  It was not a waste for me personally because I was seeking something on the other side.  For me when high dosing my experience is going to be intense. I have learned that there is a limit where more material does not seem to equate to more experience.  However, in my mind, that is in my perception, maybe the length of time of tripping was extended, but the experience is already beyond time that it really does not matter. 

The visuals were fantastic.  Closed eye and open eye.  I remember not being able to see any straight lines or surfaces.  What I mean is, well.  With your eyes open there are angles of items you can see.  in other words, the desk your monitor is on is a flat surface with straight edges.  You can normally see corners of walls where straight edges connect.  Basically most common man made objects will have straight edges.

So every straight edge was wavy for me, everything was moving, flowing, etc.  there just were no more straight edges.

Im not even going to bother trying to describe the closed eye.  However, I call it going through the Jarmarginal Houston tunnels.  Fractal exploring makes sense here if you have ever seen those fractal zoom ins.  the jarmarfinal part is because I seem to hear that sound repeated when i trip.  its just something I can hear its like "jaaaa maaaaarr giiiiinal" 

I can't stress enough the setting is very important here.  As is said many many times, but so true.


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Re: Doing Mescaline for the first time today [Re: bathtub]
    #18907867 - 09/29/13 04:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Bathtub, just had a good revelation reading that and between Austin Powers being on in the backround. Great stuff!!!:peace:

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Re: Doing Mescaline for the first time today [Re: Dark_Star]
    #18907934 - 09/29/13 05:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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We did the iso extraction. I'm not sure if the extraction itself failed, or if the cactus was weak. However a lot of material was extracted, and we didn't even get threshold effects. I'd assume that if any mescaline was in the cactus we'd have at least felt some mild effects, ie have trouble sleeping. :shrug: It was disappointing to say the least. That was supposed to be my first cactus experience. When we do it again we're going to boil it down to tar & cap instead of doing the extraction.




Hey Dark Star, I have read that iso-extracts are not that great at getting the goodies out of the cactus.  A full extraction is supposed to be better, except you will lose some of the non-mesc alkaloids.

I've eaten it raw and had tea.  Raw was best so far.  I think I would like to extract with lye, xylene and HCl though sometime.  Just a thought :peace:


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