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Re: Making Double-Extracts [Re: Forrester]
    #18844547 - 09/15/13 01:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I had to look it up but you're right Forrester ethanol is hygroscopic.


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Re: Making Double-Extracts [Re: Jeff]
    #18845488 - 09/15/13 05:39 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Being a long time brewer, I can calculate the alcohol content of a finished product using a hygrometer, however, being the lazy old fart that I am and knowing that the primary purpose for alcohol in the tincture after extraction is as a preservative, I tend to make sure I have at least the minimal acceptable amount plus a little more and go with that.  In my way of thinking, a little extra alcohol can only make the day a little better!


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Re: Making Double-Extracts [Re: OICU812]
    #18845515 - 09/15/13 05:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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In my way of thinking, a little extra alcohol can only make the day a little better!






:thumbup: :rofldrunk: :thumbup:


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Re: Making Double-Extracts [Re: Aleon]
    #18845552 - 09/15/13 05:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Nice, thanks for the spreadsheet calculator.  It works well, and makes it very easy.  Nothing big, but i would prefer all measurements in metric.  It so much easier to work with; for anything.

One other thing about the alcohol extract potency.  SO according to the fungal pharmacy recipe 100g dried mush --> 500ml alcohol did not work for me.  It was not enough to cover the mushrooms. So i ended up doing 100g to 1L ratio.  Once strained should i allow the alcohol to evaporate off, leaving 1\2 of the original tincture?  I am just worried at the 1 to 10 ratio i used that it will reduce potency of the final product.  Anyone have any tips/info on ratios of dry mush to alcohol?



Did you pulverize it?  We run it thru a hammer mill. Turns it into flour. Then that should be plenty of alcohol to cover it.


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Re: Making Double-Extracts [Re: Amanita virosa]
    #18845649 - 09/15/13 06:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Did you pulverize it?  We run it thru a hammer mill. Turns it into flour. Then that should be plenty of alcohol to cover it.




I powder mine completely in a coffee grinder, but to correct myself from earlier - it's not a 100g to 1L of alcohol ratio - it's 100g plus however much alcohol it takes to fill the quart(~L) jar.  I've never actually measured how much alcohol that was... Ends up with the mushroom mass about an inch from the level of the alcohol though, about perfect.


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Re: Making Double-Extracts [Re: Forrester] * 1
    #18845961 - 09/15/13 07:33 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)
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Revised version of Tincture calculator attached with both English and Metric versions as suggested by Aleon.


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Re: Making Double-Extracts [Re: OICU812]
    #18846101 - 09/15/13 08:06 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for the tips :thumbup:  I just going to skip evaporating off any alcohol and just up the dosage as suggested.  Also i may then go with a higher alcohol % in the final D-extract; around %40.

I put the dried mushrooms into a high speed blender and they all turned to powder.  Everything i used was cracker/bone dry.  The turkey tail turned into a cottony like substance after blending it was weird, and its dry volume was larger than the rest of the species after powdering.

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Revised version of Tincture calculator attached with both English and Metric versions as suggested by Aleon.



Thanks alot; this is a nifty tool :mushroom2:


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Re: Making Double-Extracts [Re: Aleon]
    #18846173 - 09/15/13 08:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah next time I do turkey tail it will be outside. That fluff goes everywhere.


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Re: Making Double-Extracts [Re: Jeff]
    #18846235 - 09/15/13 08:38 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah next time I do turkey tail it will be outside. That fluff goes everywhere.





:lol:

I remember you saying this somewhere else, I just harvested my first batch and I'm waiting to enjoy the fun.  Cutting/pulling them apart I definitely got some cottony-stretchiness going on.  But even after cracker dry, eh?  Looking forward.


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Re: Making Double-Extracts [Re: Forrester]
    #18846264 - 09/15/13 08:46 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Worse when cracker dry. Just like cotton when you blend it.


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Re: Making Double-Extracts [Re: Jeff]
    #18869489 - 09/20/13 08:34 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)
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Just found this article and chart on Determining Alcohol Percentage which I thought would be interesting to some here who make double extracts.  Table for the above linked article is attached.


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Re: Making Double-Extracts [Re: OICU812]
    #18902742 - 09/28/13 01:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I find one kilo of reishi (dry or fresh) is covered by 3 liters of water, this is the ration I use in all my polyporuoous extracts.


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Re: Making Double-Extracts [Re: Lennybernadino]
    #18902984 - 09/28/13 02:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I find one kilo of reishi (dry or fresh) is covered by 3 liters of water, this is the ration I use in all my polyporuoous extracts.




IM not sure how that works since i couldn't even cover 100g of powdered dried mushrooms with 500ml ( = 1Kg/5L ratio.)


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Re: Making Double-Extracts [Re: Aleon]
    #18903484 - 09/28/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I find one kilo of reishi (dry or fresh) is covered by 3 liters of water, this is the ration I use in all my polyporuoous extracts.




IM not sure how that works since i couldn't even cover 100g of powdered dried mushrooms with 500ml ( = 1Kg/5L ratio.)




Also, dry OR fresh?  That's going to be vastly different amounts  :confused:


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Re: Making Double-Extracts [Re: Forrester]
    #18904384 - 09/28/13 08:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

logically speaking yes but it somehow works out that the same amount of liquid is needed to cover it.


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Re: Making Double-Extracts [Re: Lennybernadino]
    #18904454 - 09/28/13 08:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It makes the final product a bit iffy though.  Easier to start with dry for the math.  Wet is a gamble, you may end up with a tincture that has way less alcohol than what is necessary to preserve it.


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Re: Making Double-Extracts [Re: Jeff]
    #18906473 - 09/29/13 10:20 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

So im working on my labels now, but i had a few questions about dosage.  So i have read the 5-10ml 1-3 times a day, but if this is true how come all the liquid products i have bought say 15-30 drops(1-2ML) 1-2 times per day? Is there something i am missing here?  If you had to take 10-30ml/day the standard 60ml amber dropper bottle used for selling D-Extracts would only last 2-3 days? :shrug: Any tips are greatly appreciated


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Re: Making Double-Extracts [Re: Aleon]
    #18906583 - 09/29/13 10:54 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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So im working on my labels now, but i had a few questions about dosage.  So i have read the 5-10ml 1-3 times a day, but if this is true how come all the liquid products i have bought say 15-30 drops(1-2ML) 1-2 times per day? Is there something i am missing here?  If you had to take 10-30ml/day the standard 60ml amber dropper bottle used for selling D-Extracts would only last 2-3 days? :shrug: Any tips are greatly appreciated




I've read many different dosages, I think most authors just kind of make up an amount.  5-10ml seems kinda high though, to me, and 15 drops seems really low.  I go with what Greg Marley recommends, which is right in the middle of those.  2.5ml (1/2tsp) 1-2x a day.  Seems to be effective at that dosage, for the people I've given it to.  I bottle my tinctures in 4oz amber bottles, which gives you pretty close to 50 doses per bottle.

Are you going to be selling your tinctures at farmer's markets?


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Re: Making Double-Extracts [Re: Forrester]
    #18906900 - 09/29/13 12:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks forrester; i think im going to put: 15-30 drops(1-2ml), 1-3 times per day. This would be 1-6ml/day (equaling 60-10 days worth in one 60ml vial.) For right now this will work; maybe someday i can get a distiller and evap off a bunch of the alcohol to dramatically increase the potency. :crazy: Ill post pics once im done with the labels mid-week. 

And yes, im planning on selling them at markets, to co-ops in the Madison, WI area, and online through our website.  Im going to sell them for $15/60ml vial when direct bought from us (and then on the shelves/for re-sellers it can be marked up to $20/vial.)  This is very excited for me; my dreams are beginning to manifest themselves in this physical reality. :aliendance:


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Re: Making Double-Extracts [Re: Aleon]
    #18907037 - 09/29/13 12:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

That's awesome man, have you looked into the licensing and other legality issues for selling tinctures?  I've been trying to do the same thing and have talked to the department of agriculture. 
In order to process any mushrooms I'm going to of course need a food processing license.  He said there might be other issues with FDA (selling them as "medicinal") or possibly issues with there being alcohol in it and being able to sell that.  I'm sure the FDA issue could be gotten around with the standard "this product is not intended...blah blah" warning, but the alcohol thing I wasn't sure about.  Have you looked into these things?


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