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    #18906316 - 09/29/13 09:21 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I have to say this is an awesome community! Really appreciate all the info out there and dedication from you experts.  I'm 2 weeks into my first attempt, so thought I would start logging it in case I have any problems.......which I fully expect too.    thank you all in advance and please tell me if I am doing anything ridiculously failure prone in my attempts.


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Re: First timer [Re: SynKyd]
    #18906324 - 09/29/13 09:27 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Looking good so far, but do you see how the jars with the aluminum foil still covering them are growing much slower?


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Re: First timer [Re: Psilicon]
    #18906331 - 09/29/13 09:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Agreed...pop the foil off those babies! They need the gas exchange. For me, the foil comes off first thing once they are removed from the PC


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Re: First timer [Re: BL00MERS]
    #18906412 - 09/29/13 10:05 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Thhanks, that makes sense, but I didn't make the connection.  I was worried about contams since I had to stack the jars for three of them so left it on.  I have since pulled two jars out and can probably get everything on the bottom level now.  So everything I've read says the verm layer will protect things in the jar in this phase, but is it normal/OK to see myc growth up through the verm to the top when you open the jar, or would anything on that top level be considered contamination?


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Re: First timer [Re: SynKyd]
    #18907171 - 09/29/13 01:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I've seen mycelium climb that high, yeah.  You'll know if it's contamination when you see it.  Normal mycelium is long, white and stringy, but contamination is usually round, blindingly white and bubbly.


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Re: First timer [Re: Psilicon]
    #18909497 - 09/29/13 11:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Lookin good!


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Re: First timer [Re: fungiamongi3]
    #18914802 - 10/01/13 06:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Growth has turned the corner on the bottom edges of most jars now.


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Re: First timer [Re: SynKyd]
    #18914871 - 10/01/13 07:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Do you all mean that once you have done the pressure cook, you can remove the tin foil cap and place the jars into the incubator with no tin foil on top of jars?? Doesn't it make the cakes dry??


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Re: First timer [Re: Fungi]
    #18914957 - 10/01/13 07:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

They wont lose moisture that fast. I have seen really old brf jars work just fine. The foil is to keep water out during sterilization.


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Re: First timer [Re: Sagescruffy]
    #18914990 - 10/01/13 08:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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They wont lose moisture that fast. I have seen really old brf jars work just fine. The foil is to keep water out during sterilization.



What about contamination while in incubator?


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Re: First timer [Re: Fungi]
    #18915030 - 10/01/13 08:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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What about contamination while in incubator?




This is what the dry verm layer is there for. Just try not to disturb it or tilt your jars around and it will do its job. It is the consensus of the community that the foil serves only to protect your jars from water being rained down upon it during sterilization.


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Re: First timer [Re: SynKyd]
    #18915046 - 10/01/13 08:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Looks like they're right I'm track. Hopefully I show growth soon. Been 6 days. I think my jars are kinda cold. 65 ish degrees F. That incubator looks like it works good.


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Re: First timer [Re: MycoUco]
    #18918090 - 10/01/13 08:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It running at 82 degrees 99% humidity. Seems to be doing the trick!


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Re: First timer [Re: SynKyd]
    #18918415 - 10/01/13 09:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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It running at 82 degrees 99% humidity. Seems to be doing the trick!



Trust me, your incubator does not have 99% humidity....nor does it need it.

Humidity is for fruiting.


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Re: First timer [Re: SynKyd]
    #18918422 - 10/01/13 09:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

If it seems to be working, good job. If you start to have problems, turn that temp down a few degrees.


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Re: First timer [Re: SynKyd]
    #18918446 - 10/01/13 09:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Wrapped up work on the discrete growing space walls and doors today.  will post pics eventually but want to understand the lighting needs better.  The space is totally enclosed and roughly 4' high by 3' wide and 18" deep. plan is to keep incubation chamber pictured above on bottom with shelving for separation. Then will have two larger mono tubs above that, stacked. There is an outlet in there and timer to run 12/12 lighting and continuous air turnover.  Lighting best practice seems to be two lights, one one each side of my tubs lengths at the top of the space. So.........any suggestions on lighting fixtures, bulbs, brands, length (24"?) etc?  What else should Be considered in lighting the enclosed space? Thank you all in advance.........


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Re: First timer [Re: PussyFart]
    #18918462 - 10/01/13 09:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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It running at 82 degrees 99% humidity. Seems to be doing the trick!



Trust me, your incubator does not have 99% humidity....nor does it need it.

Humidity is for fruiting.





I realized later as I researched more that it doesn't need it, but it does in fact have it. It seems to be working so I haven't messed with it. It. Is a 15 gal aquarium with plexi cut to fit lid, 4" water in bottom with aquarium heater submerged.


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Re: First timer [Re: SynKyd]
    #18918612 - 10/01/13 10:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I realized later as I researched more that it doesn't need it, but it does in fact have it.



I doubt it....but if you say so.


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Re: First timer [Re: SynKyd]
    #18924887 - 10/03/13 08:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Day 20: the kids are alright! Removing from incubator and placing in my finished grow space.

My log so far: inoculated 6 Jars each PB, GT, CAM, and B+ from syringes purchased online to jars purchased online.

Day 15:  opened a jar of P and C to make sure my incubator wasn't contaminating things, and placed the fully developed sections in a mini mono of my own design (nothing so far there, expected it to fail). Removed foil from 3 GT jars wih forum advice.

Day 20: most jars are 80-90% colonized.

PB

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Re: First timer [Re: SynKyd]
    #18925430 - 10/03/13 11:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i just recently started my first time grow (this is my first post). just a quick question bc im about 10 days behind your grow so i figure i will subscribe and follow your journal. i have tape covering the 4 holes on the metal lids. does this slow down the growth as well? like "sinysterkyd" had with the foil covering the lids?!

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Re: First timer [Re: uni]
    #18925571 - 10/03/13 12:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

My understanding is you want those holes open for air exchange, the verm layer will protect the interior sufficiently.


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Re: First timer [Re: SynKyd]
    #18925712 - 10/03/13 12:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Correct.  Most people put tape over the holes And Inoculate Right Through The Tape, Then Leave The holes open.  I went ahead and made some jar lids With Self-Healing Inoculation Ports And polyfill Filters Just To Be Safe.  :grin:


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Re: First timer [Re: tybojengles]
    #18945821 - 10/07/13 05:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

day 24: 10 jars fully colonized, 8 jars <1 day off.  4 jars behind the curve by a couple days............planning to birth this Friday!


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Re: First timer [Re: SynKyd]
    #18945876 - 10/07/13 05:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

CONGRATS!I will actually be dunking/birthing a few jars this weekend as well. I guess that makes us Eskimo brothers!


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Re: First timer [Re: tybojengles]
    #18945906 - 10/07/13 05:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: First timer [Re: saralove]
    #18946049 - 10/07/13 06:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

need some help most of my jars are doing fine but sense i removed the tape from the lids i have two jars that look a little bit weird im hopping for someone with knowledge to help me out and advice me what to do.






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Re: First timer [Re: uni]
    #18951144 - 10/08/13 07:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Well my day 15 jars that were opened prematurely did nothing for a week in my mini mono ask expected so I dunked and rolled them over the weekend and was testing my SGFC for temp and rh and they popped off some pins! :thumbup:



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Re: First timer [Re: SynKyd]
    #18951943 - 10/08/13 09:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

More pics of the space and such. If the pins indicate I should be doing anything differently please share your thoughts, veterans..........so surprised I got anything from those cakes I'm completely blown away that the myc is that hearty!  Love this new hobby and this site.









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Re: First timer [Re: uni]
    #18952194 - 10/08/13 10:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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need some help most of my jars are doing fine but sense i removed the tape from the lids i have two jars that look a little bit weird im hopping for someone with knowledge to help me out and advice me what to do.









I wouldn't handle your jars sideways like that...you may let in contams through the dry Vern


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Re: First timer [Re: MycoUco]
    #18952211 - 10/08/13 10:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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need some help most of my jars are doing fine but sense i removed the tape from the lids i have two jars that look a little bit weird im hopping for someone with knowledge to help me out and advice me what to do.









I wouldn't handle your jars sideways like that...you may let in contams through the dry Vern




i wouldnt handle those wrong sized jars anyway because it can cause settling of the brf to compact at the bottom of the jar restricting GE to the myc to colonize the bottom of the jars.


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Re: First timer [Re: SynKyd]
    #18962778 - 10/11/13 06:57 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:heart::mushroom2:




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Re: First timer [Re: SynKyd]
    #18967951 - 10/12/13 11:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)



47g wet from those little cakes, yea!  :mushroom2:

Should have picked them last night though they looked much prettier. Still just totally stoked I got anything from them!  Have 8 in the Sgfc now...........


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Re: First timer [Re: SynKyd]
    #18970442 - 10/12/13 11:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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47g wet from those little cakes, yea!  :mushroom2:

Should have picked them last night though they looked much prettier. Still just totally stoked I got anything from them!  Have 8 in the Sgfc now...........




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Re: First timer [Re: twistedty]
    #18975471 - 10/14/13 06:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yep, those were cubes.......can't wait for my first full flush so I'll have some to share!  :goat:


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    #19003325 - 10/20/13 10:43 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Update on first full flush, best cake of the bunch!!



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    #19014901 - 10/22/13 05:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

These B+ are starting to look real freaky..............thick with small caps, some caps rupturing because stems are growing faster and the largest one is curling down under from the top edge of the cake. Some fuzziness around the base of the large ones.  Anyone have any thoughts on if I should be adjusting something? 





SFGC worked great for the test run (2 small cakes)


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Re: First timer [Re: SynKyd]
    #19015043 - 10/22/13 06:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

How often do you fan and mist? More cakes need more fresh air. Or they could just be mutants! Love a good mutant.


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Re: First timer [Re: Giggle_Grower]
    #19015068 - 10/22/13 06:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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How often do you fan and mist? More cakes need more fresh air. Or they could just be mutants! Love a good mutant.





Usually 4x daily, but the longest span between mistings is while I'm at work so 10 - 12 hours during the week.  Weekends I may get in 4-6 mists a day, and just a quick fan each time I mist.

I am thinking it could be stale air in the enclosed space as well, and already started correcting that.  This is SFGC in an enclosed space and today I added a hydroponic style humidifier to pump air in from outside the space, so maybe that will help.  Space is constant 72~73 degrees, humidity at 60% in there before I added the humidifier pump. 



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Re: First timer [Re: SynKyd]
    #19015138 - 10/22/13 06:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Whats your humidity inside the SGFC?


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Re: First timer [Re: Giggle_Grower]
    #19015174 - 10/22/13 06:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't have a good hygrometer in there, but the walls stay moist between mistings for the most part, unless I've been gone for a long period (12 hours) then they will start to dry out.  Part of the challenge in loading the cakes so heavy is that you can't spray the perlite directly I guess?


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Re: First timer [Re: SynKyd]
    #19015188 - 10/22/13 06:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Whats your humidity inside the SGFC?



Should be perfect if it was properly built.

But I see less than 3" of perlite so yea....

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I don't have a good hygrometer in there, but the walls stay moist between mistings for the most part, unless I've been gone for a long period (12 hours) then they will start to dry out.



That is terrible, the walls that got wet from you misting should be dry in a couple hours tops, or your chamber is not getting enough FAE.

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Part of the challenge in loading the cakes so heavy is that you can't spray the perlite directly I guess?



What?

Spray everything directly with a fine mist...the cakes and the perlite.

Then fan out the chamber so some of that water can evaporate and induce pinning.


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    #19015208 - 10/22/13 06:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: First timer [Re: SynKyd]
    #19015246 - 10/22/13 06:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

So if your jars are 50% colonized at the top of your jar and the mycelium is reaching through the dry vermiculite layer what would be my next step?  Do I just leave it be and let it do its thing or is there something I can do?


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Re: First timer [Re: OUboundMycologist]
    #19015260 - 10/22/13 06:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

just leave it be and let it do its thing


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Re: First timer [Re: Giggle_Grower]
    #19015276 - 10/22/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks guys.  My perlite comment was poorly worded.  The problem I was trying to say is that there is less perlite surface area to absorb mist with all the cakes in there, compared to when I ran the test run of the two small cakes that went very well for a noob like myself :cool: 

I've got plenty of pinning even on the cake that is exploding right now more pins are popping at the base of fruits, so I think the exchange and humidity is good. 

I will start paying more attention to the wall humidity then, I haven't really been mentally noting it every time I mist. 

Perlite level is a little under 3", it was at 3 when I loaded it up afew weeks ago but seems to have compacted some.


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Re: First timer [Re: OUboundMycologist]
    #19015283 - 10/22/13 06:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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OUboundMycologist said:
So if your jars are 50% colonized at the top of your jar and the mycelium is reaching through the dry vermiculite layer what would be my next step?  Do I just leave it be and let it do its thing or is there something I can do?



If everything is colonized except for the dry verm layer, leave them for one full week longer and birth, dunk and roll.


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Re: First timer [Re: SynKyd]
    #19015288 - 10/22/13 06:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Perlite level is a little under 3", it was at 3 when I loaded it up afew weeks ago but seems to have compacted some




Take it up to like 4-5"


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Re: First timer [Re: Giggle_Grower]
    #19015297 - 10/22/13 06:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Take it up to like 4-5"





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Re: First timer [Re: SynKyd]
    #19021228 - 10/23/13 07:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Updated my SGFC with more perlite and started the second one last night, with trays now.  My first two B+ cakes that finished first flush have a 2 day total of 99.5 g wet, I'm very pleased with that!

the new layout, split each SFGC with a tray and 5 - 6 cakes


one of the early first-flush cakes


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