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Re: Ted Talks: The surprising decline in violence. [Re: morrowasted]
    #18902790 - 09/28/13 01:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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My sentiments are based upon data like the data presented in the video. Just watch it. You are not likely to die at the hands of another human. There was a time when you were. It's that simple.



No, I won't watch the video. You either present substantial written words as your argument or leave it.

To continue in good faith I wrote this:

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liquidlounge said:
but that doesn't change the fact that it the amount of violence as a percentage of the population has decreased. anecdotes don't change that fact.

In total per capita for the past century you may be right but please provide quality source and what periods you have in mind.

I think you're wrong if we base this on specific war-times in the past century. 4-5% of human population on earth was killed during WW2, Mao did his fair share, WW1 as well, Second Sino-Japanese War. There has been so many ultra-violent wars in the past century I doubt you will find the same violence of large scale in previous centuries, even per capita.

There's no doubt the past century is the most violent in history looking at the total victims of war regardless of capita. It's literally the most violent period in human history.




Please provide solid source backing up casualties in war per capita.

Do you agree I am in the right if we base our definition on total victims of war regardless of capita? If so, this is certainly the most literate way to define the most violent century in human history?

Most:

1.
a. Greatest in number: won the most votes.
b. Greatest in amount, extent, or degree: has the most compassion.
2. In the greatest number of instances: Most fish have fins.
n.
1. The greatest amount or degree: She has the most to gain.
2. Slang The greatest, best, or most exciting. Used with the: That party was the most!
pron.
1. In or to the highest degree or extent. Used with many adjectives and adverbs to form the superlative degree: most honest; most impatiently.
2. Very: a most impressive piece of writing.
3. Informal Almost: Most everyone agrees.

Violent:

1. Marked by, acting with, or resulting from great force: a violent attack.
2. Having or showing great emotional force: violent dislike.
3. Marked by intensity; extreme: violent pain; a violent squall. See Synonyms at intense.
4. Caused by unexpected force or injury rather than by natural causes: a violent death.
5. Tending to distort or injure meaning, phrasing, or intent.

Century:

1. Abbr. C. or c. or cent.
a. A period of 100 years.
b. Each of the successive periods of 100 years before or since the advent of the Christian era.
2.
a. A unit of the Roman army originally consisting of 100 men.
b. One of the 193 electoral divisions of the Roman people.
3. A group of 100 things.


Using one of the major dictionaries online:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/
I don't think other major dictionaries vary much in these rather basic and general definitions.


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Re: Ted Talks: The surprising decline in violence. [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18902874 - 09/28/13 01:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

probably the best way, imo, is based per capita.  If so then the past was likely more violent.


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Re: Ted Talks: The surprising decline in violence. [Re: Icelander]
    #18903052 - 09/28/13 02:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Why is that the best way to you? What is your answer if someone asks "when was the most violent century in human history?"?

You're probably right if we ask what the "most dangerous century" to be alive was purely looking at the numbers of murder per capita. I doubt it was the past century. But it's far more dangerous being alive today than any other century based on human history and the dangers of nuclear weapons, 4 on the left allied side against 4 on the right allied side.


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Re: Ted Talks: The surprising decline in violence. [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18903476 - 09/28/13 04:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Not to mention that the fiat system will crash eventually. It could be that we've built a dam that's going to break.


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Re: Ted Talks: The surprising decline in violence. [Re: Raven Gnosis]
    #18903605 - 09/28/13 05:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

TED talks are entertainment, n'est pas? Franchised entertainment even. Oprah for the intellectuals, without having to clone Oprah...


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Re: Ted Talks: The surprising decline in violence. [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18903817 - 09/28/13 06:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Why is that the best way to you? What is your answer if someone asks "when was the most violent century in human history?"?

You're probably right if we ask what the "most dangerous century" to be alive was purely looking at the numbers of murder per capita. I doubt it was the past century. But it's far more dangerous being alive today than any other century based on human history and the dangers of nuclear weapons, 4 on the left allied side against 4 on the right allied side.




It's the best way to me because it would better reflect your odds of personally experiencing violence.


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Re: Ted Talks: The surprising decline in violence. [Re: Rhizoid] * 1
    #18905384 - 09/29/13 01:04 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Rhizoid said:
TED talks are entertainment, n'est pas? Franchised entertainment even. Oprah for the intellectuals, without having to clone Oprah...




You forgot to put quotations around intellectuals

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Re: Ted Talks: The surprising decline in violence. [Re: Icelander]
    #18905665 - 09/29/13 02:47 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Icelander said:
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liquidlounge said:
Why is that the best way to you? What is your answer if someone asks "when was the most violent century in human history?"?

You're probably right if we ask what the "most dangerous century" to be alive was purely looking at the numbers of murder per capita. I doubt it was the past century. But it's far more dangerous being alive today than any other century based on human history and the dangers of nuclear weapons, 4 on the left allied side against 4 on the right allied side.




It's the best way to me because it would better reflect your odds of personally experiencing violence.



I agree when looking at the individual human being but not humanity in its entirety and the amount of human bloodshed on Earth. I suppose it's better basing the definition of 'per capita' to understand whether we're in decline or not, then again one factor matters such as the potential dangers of modern weapons, although examining recorded data you're most likely right. However, the correct way to literally define most violent century or any specific period on Earth is to base our answer on total number of victims of war - I should have been more specific on this in the beginning.


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Re: Ted Talks: The surprising decline in violence. [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18905928 - 09/29/13 06:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I still think we are in decline.


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Re: Ted Talks: The surprising decline in violence. [Re: Icelander]
    #18906042 - 09/29/13 07:28 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I do not agree although I didn't think my words through in my previous post, and it therefore look like I fully supported your view on 'decline in violence':

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liquidlounge said:
I suppose it's better basing the definition of 'per capita' to understand whether we're in decline or not



This is based on individual violence and likelihood of experiencing violence, you're right that way IMO.

But if someone asks me when the most violent century or period on Earth was, I would reply with the correct answer which is our current century. What would you answer to such a question?

The post or statement I replied to in the beginning of our ongoing correspondence was the following:

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morrowasted said:
our ancestors WERE far more violent than we are.



If we communicate in the most literate way, total victims of war/period is the correct answer. Or else it's rather vague and could easily inflict misunderstanding in communication. Ask me when the most dangerous period to be alive was and you're correct or at least it makes more sense IMO.

This might look like nit picking, but correctness is what drives everything forward.


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Re: Ted Talks: The surprising decline in violence. [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18906081 - 09/29/13 07:44 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I mean the culture is in decline even though blatant violence is in decline also. (just to make that clear) I think we are at least as emotionally violent as we have ever been and maybe much more so but on vaster and more subtle levels.


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Re: Ted Talks: The surprising decline in violence. [Re: Icelander]
    #18906112 - 09/29/13 07:54 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I think we are at least as emotionally violent as we have ever been and maybe much more so but on vaster and more subtle levels.

I agree, as previously written in this thread:

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liquidlounge said:
Psychological warfare lies in social status nonetheless and it doesn't decline - if we're looking at violence in a broader perspective. Human relation defined as peace on earth is peace of mind.




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Re: Ted Talks: The surprising decline in violence. [Re: Icelander]
    #18906166 - 09/29/13 08:17 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

My last post could easily be misunderstood and become a situation where you thought I was irritated at you, trying to irritate you or you think I thought you were stupid/slow. And then after you reply, I reply with: "I was just saying :shrug:".

Can you see it?


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Re: Ted Talks: The surprising decline in violence. [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18906192 - 09/29/13 08:34 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

All I can see now is

:whateveryousayfreak:


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Re: Ted Talks: The surprising decline in violence. [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18906938 - 09/29/13 12:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904106704576583203589408180.html

I think this should provide you with what you want.


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Re: Ted Talks: The surprising decline in violence. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18906974 - 09/29/13 12:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Thank you for the link.


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Re: Ted Talks: The surprising decline in violence. [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18906988 - 09/29/13 12:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You're quite welcome.  This had come to my attention a couple years ago (I think Icelander heard it from me, in fact).  I would also suggest that the first half of the 20th century shouldn't be counted as now.  The people who were adults then are almost all dead and absolutely all of the people in charge then are.


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Re: Ted Talks: The surprising decline in violence. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18907001 - 09/29/13 12:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

What is the most violent century in human history?


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Re: Ted Talks: The surprising decline in violence. [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18907034 - 09/29/13 12:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Beats me.  Did you read the article?


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Re: Ted Talks: The surprising decline in violence. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18907097 - 09/29/13 01:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Beats me.

Isn't it obvious the past 100 years on Earth were the most violent ones?

Did you read the article?

Not yet.


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