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Re: ANONYMOUS Declaration of Freedom Nov 5 2013 [Re: rakipo]
    #18905526 - 09/29/13 01:50 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: ANONYMOUS Declaration of Freedom Nov 5 2013 [Re: Konyap] * 1
    #18905549 - 09/29/13 02:01 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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If you guys don't want to get thrown in jail for drugs for 20 years, maybe you should let them i dunno regulate the gun trade just a little bit, you know so like mexicans and urban youth don't get them.




Correlation and Causation

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Do you actually think the drug war exists because the government is smuggling guns over to Mexico? That's why we got prohibition? And regulating the legal sale of guns is going to alter the illegal gun market how?


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Re: ANONYMOUS Declaration of Freedom Nov 5 2013 [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18905558 - 09/29/13 02:04 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

They can go somewhere else to get guns. If 80/90% of the guns there are purchased in America

because they have very STRICT laws against guns then they can go somewhere else, it's not our duty to create entry level gangsters.


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Re: ANONYMOUS Declaration of Freedom Nov 5 2013 [Re: Konyap] * 1
    #18905567 - 09/29/13 02:07 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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They can go somewhere else to get guns. If 80/90% of the guns there are purchased in America

because they have very STRICT laws against guns then they can go somewhere else, it's not our duty to create entry level gangsters.




Neither is it our duty to cater to a minority who wants to outlaw guns against our constitution and the basic concept that it cannot be practically done in a country with almost 4 million square miles and 400 million relatively wealthy inhabitants.

Consider alcohol and drug prohibition, and what that did to this country. The money taken from "legitimate" businesses went into the black market and created the underworld we now know. How much worse will it be with the gun trade?

Also who is going to enforce this and where will the money come from?


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Re: ANONYMOUS Declaration of Freedom Nov 5 2013 [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18905572 - 09/29/13 02:09 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

JFK speaking out against the government:



Wonder why he was assassinated?


"The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control. And no official of my Administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press and the public the facts they deserve to know."





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Re: ANONYMOUS Declaration of Freedom Nov 5 2013 [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18905584 - 09/29/13 02:17 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I didn't say to BAN GUNS lol

the U.k. has NO GUNS and they do just fine, they don't have murders or drive bys or mass shootings...

I'm saying every state, whatever should have background checks and each gun should basically have a title to keep them from being sold to dangerous/immature individuals

you sell 2500 lb vehicles with titles but you can't do it for the 300mph projectile shooter?

and that JFK qoute is bullshit he never said that.


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Re: ANONYMOUS Declaration of Freedom Nov 5 2013 [Re: Konyap]
    #18905602 - 09/29/13 02:24 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I didn't say to BAN GUNS lol

the U.k. has NO GUNS and they do just fine, they don't have murders or drive bys or mass shootings...

I'm saying every state, whatever should have background checks and each gun should basically have a title to keep them from being sold to dangerous/immature individuals




England has a small population in confined quarters, compared to the US. The US covers 4 million square miles, and guns can be produced in a tool shed covering a fraction of an acre. The UK does have drive-bys, murders, and mass shootings.

The illegal gun trade is already massive, I can find an unregistered gun in a few days if the need arose or make one. If you tell someone they're too crazy to own a gun then all that does is push their purchase into the black market and momentarily inconvenience them.

As important as how easy it is to get around those arbitrary restrictions, who is the one to decide on the limits of those restrictions? Are they going to be as short sighted as the concept itself?


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Re: ANONYMOUS Declaration of Freedom Nov 5 2013 [Re: Repertoire89] * 2
    #18905606 - 09/29/13 02:26 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: ANONYMOUS Declaration of Freedom Nov 5 2013 [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18905615 - 09/29/13 02:29 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

So let them go to the black market.

We don't produce guns in mass for aliens and criminals.
It's not right and it's not a basic human need.


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Re: ANONYMOUS Declaration of Freedom Nov 5 2013 [Re: Konyap] * 2
    #18905626 - 09/29/13 02:32 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Illyabo said:
So let them go to the black market.

We don't produce guns in mass for aliens and criminals.
It's not right and it's not a basic human need.




So you're in support of taking money out of legitimate businesses and putting it into the hands of the cartels / mafia? That's almost as noble as the DEAs crusade on drugs

Why isn't it right? Because your subjective feelings / morality?
In the limited scope of my opinion it is a basic human need, a basic need of any animal to have the ability to protect itself or pursue its enemies with lethal force.

*edited for clarification, a little tipsy here


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Re: ANONYMOUS Declaration of Freedom Nov 5 2013 [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18905643 - 09/29/13 02:37 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

If known criminals don't do criminal shit then they don't need lethal force.

They've already proven they can't be trusted with guns in the past if you look at their murder rates 40% of all murders committed by felons 90% of guns seized yes seized in mexico made in america.

If you're a black smith and you sell to slime balls I hope they throw the book at you.


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Re: ANONYMOUS Declaration of Freedom Nov 5 2013 [Re: Konyap]
    #18905654 - 09/29/13 02:42 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Which they will after said slimeballs rat you out.


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Re: ANONYMOUS Declaration of Freedom Nov 5 2013 [Re: Konyap]
    #18905658 - 09/29/13 02:44 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Illyabo said:
I didn't say to BAN GUNS lol

the U.k. has NO GUNS and they do just fine, they don't have murders or drive bys or mass shootings...

I'm saying every state, whatever should have background checks and each gun should basically have a title to keep them from being sold to dangerous/immature individuals

you sell 2500 lb vehicles with titles but you can't do it for the 300mph projectile shooter?

and that JFK qoute is bullshit he never said that.




Felons can't have guns already, until they get their rights back from the government. Insane people don't get guns, if they are known to be insane.

The Americans reserve the right to take back control of a corrupt government, and by force if necessary, and we have a right to defend ourselves with the same force they would/could use on us.

If there weren't any guns by the citizens then the police don't need guns either,  however that doesn't seem to be the case and would centralize too much power. They would like to consolidate power, and if it did become illegal to own guns that wouldn't stop the non-law abiding citizens from having guns. (Gangsters and Criminals would have even more power.)

Where you from anyways?


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Re: ANONYMOUS Declaration of Freedom Nov 5 2013 [Re: teknix]
    #18905671 - 09/29/13 02:51 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

New York. I can't personally own a gun, unless it's like a shotgun or something probably. Wouldn't want to own one anyway.

So
http://www.gunlawsbystate.com/felons-and-firearms/

As a general proposition, there is a bright line rule (black and white) under federal law that prohibits any person convicted of a felony from purchasing or possessing any type of firearm. While there is a provision of federal law that would allow certain felons to have their rights to purchase and possess firearms restored, Congress has not funded his provision of the law. As such, ATF has no ability to use this legal mechanism.


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Re: ANONYMOUS Declaration of Freedom Nov 5 2013 [Re: Konyap]
    #18905678 - 09/29/13 02:55 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/14/us/felons-finding-it-easy-to-regain-gun-rights.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
The Times examined hundreds of restoration cases in several states, among them Minnesota, where William James Holisky II, who had a history of stalking and terrorizing women, got his gun rights back last year, just six months after completing a three-year prison sentence for firing a shotgun into the house of a woman who had broken up with him after a handful of dates. She and her son were inside at the time of the shooting.

I didn't mean to post the first one.

Anyway, couldn't someone, like me for example go to a state where there are lax laws and buy a gun from someone or somewhere?


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Re: ANONYMOUS Declaration of Freedom Nov 5 2013 [Re: Konyap]
    #18905681 - 09/29/13 02:57 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

How Easy Felons Can Buy Guns At Gun Shows


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Re: ANONYMOUS Declaration of Freedom Nov 5 2013 [Re: Konyap]
    #18905682 - 09/29/13 02:57 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Illyabo said:

I'm saying every state, whatever should have background checks and each gun should basically have a title to keep them from being sold to dangerous/immature individuals







Yeah, so I guess most of them do then right?

Quote:

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New York. I can't personally own a gun, unless it's like a shotgun or something probably. Wouldn't want to own one anyway.

So
http://www.gunlawsbystate.com/felons-and-firearms/

As a general proposition, there is a bright line rule (black and white) under federal law that prohibits any person convicted of a felony from purchasing or possessing any type of firearm. While there is a provision of federal law that would allow certain felons to have their rights to purchase and possess firearms restored, Congress has not funded his provision of the law. As such, ATF has no ability to use this legal mechanism.





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Re: ANONYMOUS Declaration of Freedom Nov 5 2013 [Re: Konyap] * 1
    #18905686 - 09/29/13 02:58 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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If known criminals don't do criminal shit then they don't need lethal force.

They've already proven they can't be trusted with guns in the past if you look at their murder rates 40% of all murders committed by felons 90% of guns seized yes seized in mexico made in america.

If you're a black smith and you sell to slime balls I hope they throw the book at you.




What's the point of making guns illegal for felons? Will felons avoid the illegal gun trade for some nameable reason?

I'm not a blacksmith and one doesn't need to be to manufacture a firearm, and regardless of the law I will not be declawed or aid in the mutilation of anyone's right to bear a firearm.
Again, this issue is eerily similar to prohibition. Not only has prohibition failed with no chance of success, but its motives are highly dubious.


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Re: ANONYMOUS Declaration of Freedom Nov 5 2013 [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18905699 - 09/29/13 03:08 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Look at the video though, no ones being carded to enter the building and no one there has the means to run background checks.

The artical I posted refutes the ATF's lock on distribution to unsavory characters.

The 2nd amendment was for the U.S. when we had NO STANDING MILITARY and we were virtually open to invasion all the freaking time. We were also using rifles for hunting from a young age.

Selling a high powered weapon to randoms is illogical and arrogant.


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Re: ANONYMOUS Declaration of Freedom Nov 5 2013 [Re: Konyap]
    #18905703 - 09/29/13 03:13 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Not if the police force become the new-age Pinkertons for the corporations verse the people, how would we have any say then? Or even the military.


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