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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: twighead]
    #18904348 - 09/28/13 08:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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too bad everyone relies on the next person over to wait on them, serve them, or save them when they don't do anything to deserve or warrant it. but hey, it's just the WAY IT IS. it's human nature to wanna be lazy, indulgent, narcissistic. so what the HEY!



And yet - would you deny chance to be homunculus king?



i would if i already believed i am.


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Offlineakira_akuma
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: thelanzii]
    #18904371 - 09/28/13 08:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Nemmies said:
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akira_akuma said:
too bad everyone relies on the next person over to wait on them, serve them, or save them when they don't do anything to deserve or warrant it. but hey, it's just the WAY IT IS. it's human nature to wanna be lazy, indulgent, narcissistic. so what the HEY!



We are able to express more individual ideas because society is like this.  If we all had to rely on our own abilities to find food and shelter and other bear necessities we would not have many of the advancements we have today.  New world order wants mindless drones.



right, exactly. just like animals to the Earth, we are the workers of the Gods. we get told we are the all prevailing human spirit so that we submit to the goal of "human nature".

really, it's just cells that work for the greater good, and they're easily convinced that they only have one source of origin, because they only have one source of energy.


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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: Patlal]
    #18904438 - 09/28/13 08:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Alright, so I'll stay neutral making this thread because I already have a solid position on the matter.

I'm arguing with my dear muslim friend, we are talking science and evolution and he would bet his life that humans are not animals and that we clearly different from animals and that they are here to serve us.

So in order to find an answer, I've decided to post a poll on the matter. Now, you might find the answer easy and this thread stupid, but I'm trying to prove a point against religion..




Voted STAL. Because this question warrants a toke and a reply.

Whether human beings are an animal is based on your relative position.

Human beings are animals but are not "just another animal." Of course relative to the universe a human being is really not that different to any other animal, having evolved to favor abstract reasoning as it's primrary survival skill.

From the perspective of a human being however I agree with your friend. Humans matter. Humans are important. Humans are special. Humans are more than animals. From the perspective of a human being I see other animals as nothing more than a component of the universe, no more important than sticks and stones.

And while in the great scheme of things human beings are really no different or more important than anything else. We at least have the ability to look out for one another, love each other and make our existence sacred, rather than just living for no other purpose than to reproduce. We give ourselves meaning.

tl;dr Humans are animals, but are also something much more.


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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: Patlal]
    #18904721 - 09/28/13 09:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I think what this subject boils down to is the presence of consciousness in a being.Typically most all animals don't have a conscious,emotions or any of the basic things we distinguish as a purely human traits in society.Most animals only think for survival ONLY,they have no other motives or emotions other then to propagate and eat and drink.

That being said i do believe that animals were put on this planet for human survival and resources,i don't think animals have souls & identities like humans do. I sure don't think animals were put here not to be used for resources because #1 if we didn't hunt them they would overpopulate any given area and we would have to fight for territory.Secondly if you ask yourself the question why are animals in our world?The only logical explanation i can come up with is that they are here for human needs,food,clothes,oil ect.


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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: Seriously_trippin] * 1
    #18904841 - 09/28/13 10:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Your theory sounds like bull shit to me.


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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: Seriously_trippin] * 1
    #18904857 - 09/28/13 10:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Seriously_trippin said:
I think what this subject boils down to is the presence of consciousness in a being.Typically most all animals don't have a conscious,emotions or any of the basic things we distinguish as a purely human traits in society.Most animals only think for survival ONLY,they have no other motives or emotions other then to propagate and eat and drink.

That being said i do believe that animals were put on this planet for human survival and resources,i don't think animals have souls & identities like humans do. I sure don't think animals were put here not to be used for resources because #1 if we didn't hunt them they would overpopulate any given area and we would have to fight for territory.Secondly if you ask yourself the question why are animals in our world?The only logical explanation i can come up with is that they are here for human needs,food,clothes,oil ect.




"animals were put here"

By who?  Aliens.    :smilingpuppy:


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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: Seriously_trippin] * 1
    #18904983 - 09/28/13 10:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Seriously_trippin said:
I think what this subject boils down to is the presence of consciousness in a being.Typically most all animals don't have a conscious,emotions or any of the basic things we distinguish as a purely human traits in society.Most animals only think for survival ONLY,they have no other motives or emotions other then to propagate and eat and drink.

That being said i do believe that animals were put on this planet for human survival and resources,i don't think animals have souls & identities like humans do. I sure don't think animals were put here not to be used for resources because #1 if we didn't hunt them they would overpopulate any given area and we would have to fight for territory.Secondly if you ask yourself the question why are animals in our world?The only logical explanation i can come up with is that they are here for human needs,food,clothes,oil ect.




You clearly have very little experience with animals :rofl: Many animals display a high level of emotion.

So - whats your take on the 99% of animals that ever existed - that existed before human civilization? Did they exist and evolve just to be used as resources by us in the form of oil? :lol:


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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: twighead]
    #18905033 - 09/28/13 11:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

My opinion

Sometimes we are, sometimes we're not

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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: Beside the Garden]
    #18905084 - 09/28/13 11:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: Hobozen]
    #18905243 - 09/29/13 12:20 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I had this thought the other day to :shrug: I mean obviously  our species had to go through the primitive stage in order to get where we are now and given the chance/alternate universe another species could have been sitting where we are now:shrug:

but if you look at the big picture "animal" is a human word therefor animals are in fact only animals to humans and not other animals.

also what if the way we perceive social standards and the food chain in general(us being the most powerfull) is just the way are brains fool us to think that we are top dogs. when in fact we are rats in a cage given a little freedom, and another species perceives their position on the totem poll as the most powerfull?

food for thought man


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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: Bill_Oreilly] * 1
    #18905519 - 09/29/13 01:47 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I have an animal body, yes, but I am not cursed like the other animals. The other animals only know pain and rejection. The human knows love.




Where did you get that idea? You seriously don't think the love you experience is felt by other animals. Cursed like other animals? The human is cursed with knowing if all you say is true.


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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: Viveka] * 1
    #18905568 - 09/29/13 02:08 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

what do we do, that other animals do not?


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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: Legend] * 1
    #18905571 - 09/29/13 02:09 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

they don't try and control everything, for one.


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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18905607 - 09/29/13 02:27 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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they don't try and control everything, for one.



haha yeah i was actually thinking that exact thing.


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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: Legend]
    #18905610 - 09/29/13 02:27 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:grin: the problem of control. mmm mmm mmmmmmmmm need


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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: Legend]
    #18905616 - 09/29/13 02:29 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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what do we do, that other animals do not?



We don't fucking know. Anyone who thinks we know is full of shit.


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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: Viveka]
    #18905621 - 09/29/13 02:31 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

how in the fuck is that? people have been observing animals behavior for a long long time. you think we missed something?


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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18905625 - 09/29/13 02:32 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

well i sure as hell don't know

:shrug:


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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: Legend] * 1
    #18905629 - 09/29/13 02:33 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

i think what he's saying is that we can't know because we aren't them and don't know what their minds are really like, because we don't possess one.


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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: Viveka]
    #18905631 - 09/29/13 02:34 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Except maybe fire a purpose built space craft into orbit or beyond, that's a good one to keep in mind. If any other species has done it I suspect any evidence has been turned under the Earth's crust by now.


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