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Possible Psilocybe ID help?
    #18904527 - 09/28/13 08:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Habitat:
Mulch, not conifer, but not sure what. It's in a nursing home where I landscape for my second job, that's why there's no habitat shots. Temps have fluctuated between 70 at night and 80 during day. No trees were in this particular mulch bed.

Gills:
Close but not crowded, adnate but not severely. Slightly purplish tint.

Stem:
Largest was 3.5" tall, smallest was 1.5" tall

Cap:
Largest was 3" diameter, smallest 0.5" diameter

Spore print color:
Purplish, but waiting for it to thicken...

Bruising:
I saw some greenish bruising on the stems and sclerotia, but I'm not sure if it was bruising or chemical spray, as I know the area has been sprayed recently. I've got the caps printing and the stems in the fridge. The bruising on the stems seems to be intesifying in the fridge.

Other information:
Scent was not distinct, not very strong. Sclerotia at the base of the stem, partly above ground, partly below. It's the first time I've seen sclerotia, so I'm not even sure what genus' contain sclerotia forming species.



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Re: Possible Psilocybe ID help? [Re: domesticgnome]
    #18904544 - 09/28/13 09:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Well since it's only for you to know and us to...then it's harder to say what you've found.  I would have to guess Hypholoma, but interested to see what others say.


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Re: Possible Psilocybe ID help? [Re: jet li]
    #18904565 - 09/28/13 09:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Well since it's only for you to know and us to...then it's harder to say what you've found.  I would have to guess Hypholoma, but interested to see what others say.




Lol, sorry. Memphis, TN area. Most of the people that frequent my thread know that, so I didn't think to throw that in.


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Re: Possible Psilocybe ID help? [Re: domesticgnome]
    #18904579 - 09/28/13 09:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

That's no Hypholoma, this is something cool.


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Re: Possible Psilocybe ID help? [Re: Ran-D]
    #18904589 - 09/28/13 09:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah s'pose it could be P. caerulipes... wait for further input.


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Re: Possible Psilocybe ID help? [Re: domesticgnome]
    #18904597 - 09/28/13 09:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I'd avoid Hypholoma, because generally young Hypholoma have light colored gills that turn greenish temporarily, and these form a sort of titty-nipple on the young ones especially.

Now that I look into it more It may be my first Stropharia species


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Re: Possible Psilocybe ID help? [Re: jet li]
    #18904602 - 09/28/13 09:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Wow! Cool!

Love the set up for the shots. :cool:

That green looks like trich


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Re: Possible Psilocybe ID help? [Re: Ganzig]
    #18904611 - 09/28/13 09:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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That green looks like trich




But the stem really looks like it is bruising.


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Re: Possible Psilocybe ID help? [Re: Ran-D]
    #18904616 - 09/28/13 09:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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That's no Hypholoma, this is something cool.




That's what I was thinking, but I was hoping not to get too excited. Any pointers?


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Re: Possible Psilocybe ID help? [Re: Ganzig]
    #18904633 - 09/28/13 09:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Lacrymaria

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Re: Possible Psilocybe ID help? [Re: paracelsus]
    #18904639 - 09/28/13 09:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Lacrymaria

:beavis1:




uh oh. paracelsus is feeling saucy again.

Shut up Beavis.


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Re: Possible Psilocybe ID help? [Re: paracelsus]
    #18904646 - 09/28/13 09:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Lacrymaria

:beavis1:



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Re: Possible Psilocybe ID help? [Re: Ganzig]
    #18904653 - 09/28/13 09:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Shut up Beavis.




That made me laugh so damn hard right now.


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Re: Possible Psilocybe ID help? [Re: Ran-D]
    #18904667 - 09/28/13 09:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

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Shut up Beavis.




That made me laugh so damn hard right now.




:excellent:


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Re: Possible Psilocybe ID help? [Re: paracelsus]
    #18904729 - 09/28/13 09:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Lacrymaria

:beavis1:




Lacrymaria has a black print. These are defintely purple.

The bruising on the stems is definitely becoming more prominent as well.


Still not as thick as I want it, but I think I might get a few decent prints.

Check it...


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Re: Possible Psilocybe ID help? [Re: domesticgnome]
    #18904795 - 09/28/13 10:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Psathyrella ?

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Re: Possible Psilocybe ID help? [Re: paracelsus]
    #18904797 - 09/28/13 10:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Does a Psathyrella have a purple print? NO!

Be honest. How many beers have you had?


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Re: Possible Psilocybe ID help? [Re: Ganzig]
    #18904812 - 09/28/13 10:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Does a Psathyrella have a purple print? NO!

Be honest. How many beers have you had?




Lol, I'm drinking wine... and I've had a good few.


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Re: Possible Psilocybe ID help? [Re: domesticgnome]
    #18904824 - 09/28/13 10:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:bongload:


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Re: Possible Psilocybe ID help? [Re: paracelsus]
    #18904828 - 09/28/13 10:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:alc:


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Re: Possible Psilocybe ID help? [Re: paracelsus]
    #18904830 - 09/28/13 10:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You guys!

:ohyou:


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Re: Possible Psilocybe ID help? [Re: Ganzig]
    #18904853 - 09/28/13 10:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

If it weren't for the bluing I would have guessed Deconica. I'm kinda curious to find out what they really are.


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Re: Possible Psilocybe ID help? [Re: MollyLucyMaryJane]
    #18904908 - 09/28/13 10:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

maybe Stropharia?

but i was serious about lacymaria or psathyrella.

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Re: Possible Psilocybe ID help? [Re: MollyLucyMaryJane]
    #18904935 - 09/28/13 10:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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You guys!

:ohyou:




Don't you judge me.


Quote:

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If it weren't for the bluing I would have guessed Deconica. I'm kinda curious to find out what they really are.





Has me on edge too.

My first thought based on color and structure Was galerina.(we all find enough of those right) Then the gills, I thought "surely deconica, I can't be lucky enough for Psilocybe", then the bruising had me saying "maybe it's just round-up and I'm a hopeless noob.

Now I'm completely clueless.:shrug:


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Re: Possible Psilocybe ID help? [Re: domesticgnome]
    #18904969 - 09/28/13 10:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Don't you judge me.






:lol:


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Re: Possible Psilocybe ID help? [Re: Ganzig]
    #18904976 - 09/28/13 10:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Please make a photograph of a cross section of those sclerotia if possible...

I'm almost certain that is not blue staining due to the presence of Psilocyn/Psilocybin, but I could be wrong.

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Does a Psathyrella have a purple print? NO!

Be honest. How many beers have you had?



Yes, some species of Psathyrella can have a spore deposit that is purplish in colour.


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Re: Possible Psilocybe ID help? [Re: domesticgnome]
    #18904985 - 09/28/13 10:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

If they had sclerotia I would guess they are something in the section Mexicanae, like Psilocybe tampanensis or something cool like that, cool find. What state are you in again?


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Re: Possible Psilocybe ID help? [Re: Ganzig]
    #18905008 - 09/28/13 10:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Looks like P, cearulipes/ There very common this year I have been finding them like cazy. all over the east. The bruising can take relativly a long time to turn blue. I have found some that took a good 45 min to notcably change after bruising.. The ones that I hvae been finding have a sligght sclorta but really I would not call it that. Its just a thickining at the base where the fruiting bodie emerges.


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Re: Possible Psilocybe ID help? [Re: inski]
    #18905021 - 09/28/13 11:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Yes, some species of Psathyrella can have a spore deposit that is purplish in colour.




Thanks for the info.


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Re: Possible Psilocybe ID help? [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #18905026 - 09/28/13 11:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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If they had sclerotia I would guess they are something in the section Mexicanae, like Psilocybe tampanensis or something cool like that, cool find. What state are you in again?



I wouldn't be so quick to say this is in the genus Psilocybe, I like paracelsus suggestion of Psathyrella or Lacrymaria because if you look closely at the surface of the pileus it looks to be granular which suggests to me a pileipellis in the form of a hymeniform layer, a derm rather than a cutis as in the genus Psilocybe...


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Re: Possible Psilocybe ID help? [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #18905036 - 09/28/13 11:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Psilocybe,Deconica,Hypholoma,Stropharia,Leratiomyces and Lacrymaria can leave a "purplish" print.



Lacrymaria
spore colour: Purplish to black
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Re: Possible Psilocybe ID help? [Re: inski]
    #18905076 - 09/28/13 11:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Please make a photograph of a cross section of those sclerotia if possible...

I'm almost certain that is not blue staining due to the presence of Psilocyn/Psilocybin, but I could be wrong.

Yes, some species of Psathyrella can have a spore deposit that is purplish in colour.




The bruising seems to be stronger still even appearing on stems that didn't originally show any discoloration...

Here's the cross-section. At this point it's really quite dry. It's been sitting in the fridge for 6 hours. It was dry, and pretty far from fresh to begin with.



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Re: Possible Psilocybe ID help? [Re: domesticgnome]
    #18905083 - 09/28/13 11:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I still think the "bruising" on the base is trich.

I cannot explain the stem bruising.


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Re: Possible Psilocybe ID help? [Re: Ganzig]
    #18905108 - 09/28/13 11:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I still think the "bruising" on the base is trich.

I cannot explain the stem bruising.




I could believe the "trich" theory and chalk the bruising up to "round-up dye and wishful thinking"

It's just one of those gut feelings though, cause I had all the same thoughts when I plucked it.

At this point I would settle for just about anything. I'm hoping against hope, but I desire some closure.


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Re: Possible Psilocybe ID help? [Re: domesticgnome]
    #18905128 - 09/28/13 11:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

That Nissan in your Avatar is dope, But the hood should be flat black. Not a Dinosaur. Car is very badass though man.


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Re: Possible Psilocybe ID help? [Re: MollyLucyMaryJane]
    #18905166 - 09/28/13 11:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I have read about parasitic Psathyrella

Maybe these are growing on another fruitbody? :shrug:

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Re: Possible Psilocybe ID help? [Re: domesticgnome]
    #18905172 - 09/28/13 11:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

This collection has attributes from multiple genuses (genera). You should obtain more taxonomic details and share them.

1. Perform microscopy on fresh specimens. (Spores and cystidia at least).
2. Photograph a newly emerging collection and capture details that others might not capture.
3. If you have a few extra specimens from a new, fresh collection try this: Place them in a tupperware container slightly cracked open for a tiny amount of air exchange and put it in the fridge for 12-14 hours. Re-photograph them.

Save some by drying them at about 105 degrees farenheit so someone can do DNA sequencing and chemical analysis.

No matter what they are, they are a cool species.


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Re: Possible Psilocybe ID help? [Re: MollyLucyMaryJane]
    #18905174 - 09/28/13 11:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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That Nissan in your Avatar is dope, But the hood should be flat black. Not a Dinosaur. Car is very badass though man.





Haha, thanks. Hood and skirts are all flat black now.

That's my 86 turbo that I use as a toy. I've been messing around with it,and done a few "why not" things with it till i get enough money to get serious. I may have the VG30det sold out of it soon. Once that happens, and my recent job offer comes through I'll play powerhouse lotto with it and throw a randon engine in it. I think I know what I've landed on, but I won't tell till it's finished.:wink:


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Re: Possible Psilocybe ID help? [Re: paracelsus]
    #18905181 - 09/28/13 11:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Being that you are sure there is round up in the area, I sure wouldn't consume them, even if they were an otherwise desirable species.


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Re: Possible Psilocybe ID help? [Re: domesticgnome]
    #18905184 - 09/28/13 11:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Nice man, You'll have to pm me some pics of it sometime. I love how low it sits, Looks good.

The VG30det is a good motor, You can do alot with them but there definitely is better.


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Re: Possible Psilocybe ID help? [Re: jet li]
    #18905193 - 09/28/13 11:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Being that you are sure there is round up in the area, I sure wouldn't consume them, even if they were an otherwise desirable species.




Definitely not, I'm saving them/printing/preserving because I think there might be something to them. I care for more than a cheap vacation:wink:.


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Re: Possible Psilocybe ID help? [Re: MollyLucyMaryJane]
    #18905223 - 09/29/13 12:13 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Nice man, You'll have to pm me some pics of it sometime. I love how low it sits, Looks good.

The VG30det is a good motor, You can do alot with them but there definitely is better.




I'm sure I'll get around to sending some pics, but the lady has been waiting in bed(non-too-patiently, if you catch my drift)

I did a little hacking/welding and got some S13 track coilovers on it for that stance+ some 20mm spacers since the pic, but it's heavy in the rear so it handles like I lubed the rear tires. I want to mount a rear GT wing directly on the rear frame to remedy that, but it's all custom work on these dinosaur Z's.(more powertools for me:cool:)


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Re: Possible Psilocybe ID help? [Re: domesticgnome]
    #18905270 - 09/29/13 12:28 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I did a little hacking/welding and got some S13 track coilovers on it for that stance+ some 20mm spacers since the pic, but it's heavy in the rear so it handles like I lubed the rear tires. I want to mount a rear GT wing directly on the rear frame to remedy that, but it's all custom work on these dinosaur Z's.(more powertools for me:cool:)





Awesome sounds like a fun project. Im definitely going to be investing in a 80's-90's nissan or mazda when i get the money. I bet it drifts like a champ :tongue:


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Re: Possible Psilocybe ID help? [Re: MollyLucyMaryJane]
    #18905348 - 09/29/13 12:54 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I own both currently. If you want to go Nissan, then you'll miss a bit of handling.


Mazda, You're doing away with power, and gaining some speed in the corners.


Of course, these opinions are doing away with the mainstream rx-7 and 240SX. The Miata is far more affordable and reliable than the 300ZX but less "rewarding" just as equally.


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Re: Possible Psilocybe ID help? [Re: domesticgnome]
    #18906062 - 09/29/13 07:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

what about Hypholoma tuberosum??


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